As a former WSX hater..

HonDawg17 wrote:

Vince disgracing the sacred #3 is the biggest abomination I've seen in recent history. Makes me hate him even more. And HE won a race? WOW...

Vince disgracing the sacred #3 is the biggest abomination I've seen in recent history. Makes me hate him even more. And HE won a race? WOW. No one in the stands, check. Still cardboard boxes under the tough block covers, check. Terrible overall racing talent, check. Overpaying purses for typical 10-20 place riders, check. Less than 10K people in the entire stadium, check. Still 80% of the riders are American, I thought WSX wanted a "true world talent pool", check. Sure I understand you guys saying more racing is better. Of course it is. BUT, its the principle and motive of what they are trying to do to American Motocross

HonDawg17 wrote:

Vince disgracing the sacred #3 is the biggest abomination I've seen in recent history. Makes me hate him even more. And HE won a race? WOW...

Vince disgracing the sacred #3 is the biggest abomination I've seen in recent history. Makes me hate him even more. And HE won a race? WOW. No one in the stands, check. Still cardboard boxes under the tough block covers, check. Terrible overall racing talent, check. Overpaying purses for typical 10-20 place riders, check. Less than 10K people in the entire stadium, check. Still 80% of the riders are American, I thought WSX wanted a "true world talent pool", check. Sure I understand you guys saying more racing is better. Of course it is. BUT, its the principle and motive of what they are trying to do to American Motocross

CPR wrote:

Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity. I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but...

Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity.

I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but the negative comments regularly reflect the common international image of Americans as loud, self-absorbed, arrogant and ignorant. It’s a pity, particularly some individuals seem to lack the ability to see themselves and their attitudes as others from outside their circle see them. Passion and patriotism is one thing, however this goes way beyond that. Maybe it’s merely a bravado facade, however empathy looks to be an alien concept to some.

Now getting back to the very basics; no one country or series owns any rider. They’re effectively guns for hire and when out of contract, are free to go wherever they please. If that threatens your delicate ego, then that’s on you.

Back to WSX, was it perfect? No. Name a series that is. Was it entertaining? Hell yes. Does it provide additional opportunity to professional riders? Yes. How is that a bad thing…..

Despite the pathetic regular displays of fear and loathing here. I’ll continue to enjoy all moto series for the individual attributes on offer, while that sad group wallows in their self-induced negativity.

Bring on the gate drops, wherever they may be!

 

731chopper wrote:

It dilutes the talent pool. How is that hard to understand? Our sport is too small to have 3 top level championships running at the same...

It dilutes the talent pool. How is that hard to understand? Our sport is too small to have 3 top level championships running at the same time. 

CPR wrote:

Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity. I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but...

Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity.

I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but the negative comments regularly reflect the common international image of Americans as loud, self-absorbed, arrogant and ignorant. It’s a pity, particularly some individuals seem to lack the ability to see themselves and their attitudes as others from outside their circle see them. Passion and patriotism is one thing, however this goes way beyond that. Maybe it’s merely a bravado facade, however empathy looks to be an alien concept to some.

Now getting back to the very basics; no one country or series owns any rider. They’re effectively guns for hire and when out of contract, are free to go wherever they please. If that threatens your delicate ego, then that’s on you.

Back to WSX, was it perfect? No. Name a series that is. Was it entertaining? Hell yes. Does it provide additional opportunity to professional riders? Yes. How is that a bad thing…..

Despite the pathetic regular displays of fear and loathing here. I’ll continue to enjoy all moto series for the individual attributes on offer, while that sad group wallows in their self-induced negativity.

Bring on the gate drops, wherever they may be!

 

mofomotojoe wrote:

Agree but it is sportsentertainment, people like to root for a team and shit on another. Notice the WSX hate on the forums has taken the...

Agree but it is sportsentertainment, people like to root for a team and shit on another.

Notice the WSX hate on the forums has taken the spotlight away from MXGP bashing , Herlings bashing, Dirty Barcia Bashing...

It's cyclical. Guess what will be next. 

 Am afraid WSX will get mocked by American fans for a while, just like Motocross Action ( Weasel?) called World Champ David Thorpe " the fastest amateur racer of the planet " . Ouch... Americans forgot or did not like how he whooped them in 85. They will bring up the 86 MXDN forever, disregard what really happened... but sure Johnny O smashed many world champ that day. Not a word when lil' Prado passed Tomac, Remember that Nation? if you do there are all kinds of excuses. Oh boy, I opened a can of worm here...

You cannot win with these arguments of trying to reason folks with WSX. It's just the sports mentality of a team vs another. If an American racer goes around waxing them all they might pay attention. 

Many are feeling threatened. the feeling is real.  "It is taking away the riders they want in their series. It is diluting the talent pool. it is potentially creating injuries for riders who have more important races to go to"...

As fans they will voice their opinions which is fine, and go on harrassing, mocking, bullying us WSX fans. We will get nice turds on our posts. I know it's childish. But deal with it. It's just like high school football locker room before kids had cellphones. You might not have a good time innit.

Sorry Mate, I just realized you are down under, I thought you were a Limmey..  Apologies, not sure the Thorpe reference resonates with ya 

For now I'll enjoy the good racing I can find, under all that cheese. I sincerely hope the WSX series prevail.

 

blockhead17 wrote:

Haha people on here like “the broadcast sux and I don’t like the logos” You must prefer to watch this awesome broadcast below 👍 Jokes aside...

Haha people on here like “the broadcast sux and I don’t like the logos” You must prefer to watch this awesome broadcast below 👍

Jokes aside, twice as much racing to watch on the weekend is awesome!

blockhead17 wrote:

Haha people on here like “the broadcast sux and I don’t like the logos” You must prefer to watch this awesome broadcast below 👍 Jokes aside...

Haha people on here like “the broadcast sux and I don’t like the logos” You must prefer to watch this awesome broadcast below 👍

Jokes aside, twice as much racing to watch on the weekend is awesome!

RaceFace232 wrote:

I’ll never understand how twice as much racing with a finite amount of talent is better.  Really good racing is when all the top talent is...

I’ll never understand how twice as much racing with a finite amount of talent is better.  Really good racing is when all the top talent is racing……EACH OTHER.  So if we had 5 times the racing with the talent pool further divided that would be even better?  France has a bona fide SX series.  When’s the last time you followed that series or sought out a way to watch it?  There are Canadian Nationals, Australian Nationals, British Nationals….all this racing is out there to watch but I bet you’ve never watched any of it.  For some resin it has to be WSX to get you excited?

DrinkMoreWater wrote:

Everyone says wants to grow the sport but hate when they see growing the sport, WSX is growing the sport, Lawrence brothers are growing the sport...

Everyone says wants to grow the sport but hate when they see growing the sport, WSX is growing the sport, Lawrence brothers are growing the sport, Deegan is growing the sport.

Deegan one has me mystified, I've seen people comment about "his shit fans" Deegan isn't bringing in old fans to the sport he's bringing in people who haven't encounter our great sport before, a lot of his fans are under 18 and there is A LOT of them, what the fuck is there to hate here? And Deegan aside he literally ticks all the boxes that you American fans want, he's all American, he is patriotic, he works as hard as anyone, he has grit and heart and now he's the first American to podium for the year, seriously get over your petty insecurities and support the people who are making a difference.

Then I see shit talking about how theres too much Jett coverage, the commentators explaining things for noobs etc, if you have been watching the sport for over 10 years chances are you are not going to stop watching so they are not marketing the sport for you they already have you, they are marketing the sport to people who have never seen it before.

If you don't like growth in the sport you're just a insecure bitter hater who doesn't want the sport to grow plain and simple, you should be grateful that WSX stepped into the ring because without them AMA would continue the same shit effort they have put in for over a decade.

RC, James, McGrath is over they ain't coming back.

blockhead17 wrote:

Haha people on here like “the broadcast sux and I don’t like the logos” You must prefer to watch this awesome broadcast below 👍 Jokes aside...

Haha people on here like “the broadcast sux and I don’t like the logos” You must prefer to watch this awesome broadcast below 👍

Jokes aside, twice as much racing to watch on the weekend is awesome!

RaceFace232 wrote:

I’ll never understand how twice as much racing with a finite amount of talent is better.  Really good racing is when all the top talent is...

I’ll never understand how twice as much racing with a finite amount of talent is better.  Really good racing is when all the top talent is racing……EACH OTHER.  So if we had 5 times the racing with the talent pool further divided that would be even better?  France has a bona fide SX series.  When’s the last time you followed that series or sought out a way to watch it?  There are Canadian Nationals, Australian Nationals, British Nationals….all this racing is out there to watch but I bet you’ve never watched any of it.  For some resin it has to be WSX to get you excited?

CPR wrote:

Let me take a wild guess- you’re American?

blockhead17 wrote:

Haha people on here like “the broadcast sux and I don’t like the logos” You must prefer to watch this awesome broadcast below 👍 Jokes aside...

Haha people on here like “the broadcast sux and I don’t like the logos” You must prefer to watch this awesome broadcast below 👍

Jokes aside, twice as much racing to watch on the weekend is awesome!

RaceFace232 wrote:

I’ll never understand how twice as much racing with a finite amount of talent is better.  Really good racing is when all the top talent is...

I’ll never understand how twice as much racing with a finite amount of talent is better.  Really good racing is when all the top talent is racing……EACH OTHER.  So if we had 5 times the racing with the talent pool further divided that would be even better?  France has a bona fide SX series.  When’s the last time you followed that series or sought out a way to watch it?  There are Canadian Nationals, Australian Nationals, British Nationals….all this racing is out there to watch but I bet you’ve never watched any of it.  For some resin it has to be WSX to get you excited?

CPR wrote:

Let me take a wild guess- you’re American?

RaceFace232 wrote:

Do me a favor and explain how watering down the talent makes things better?  Go watch local races if you don’t need to see the top...

Do me a favor and explain how watering down the talent makes things better?  Go watch local races if you don’t need to see the top pros going at it.  There is TONS of raving to be seen wherever you are if you don’t need it to be the top pros in the world.

CPR wrote:

Let me take a wild guess- you’re American?

RaceFace232 wrote:

I’ll never understand how twice as much racing with a finite amount of talent is better.  Really good racing is when all the top talent is...

I’ll never understand how twice as much racing with a finite amount of talent is better.  Really good racing is when all the top talent is racing……EACH OTHER.  So if we had 5 times the racing with the talent pool further divided that would be even better?  France has a bona fide SX series.  When’s the last time you followed that series or sought out a way to watch it?  There are Canadian Nationals, Australian Nationals, British Nationals….all this racing is out there to watch but I bet you’ve never watched any of it.  For some resin it has to be WSX to get you excited?

CPR wrote:

Let me take a wild guess- you’re American?

RaceFace232 wrote:

Do me a favor and explain how watering down the talent makes things better?  Go watch local races if you don’t need to see the top...

Do me a favor and explain how watering down the talent makes things better?  Go watch local races if you don’t need to see the top pros going at it.  There is TONS of raving to be seen wherever you are if you don’t need it to be the top pros in the world.

CPR wrote:

Let me take a wild guess- you’re American?

RACING wrote:

Let me take a wild guess - you're working for SX Global?

Let me take a wild guess - you're working for SX Global?

CPR wrote:

Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity. I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but...

Reading through any WSX thread here unfortunately illustrates some the worst traits of humanity.

I know you can’t generalise that much and it’s not all, but the negative comments regularly reflect the common international image of Americans as loud, self-absorbed, arrogant and ignorant. It’s a pity, particularly some individuals seem to lack the ability to see themselves and their attitudes as others from outside their circle see them. Passion and patriotism is one thing, however this goes way beyond that. Maybe it’s merely a bravado facade, however empathy looks to be an alien concept to some.

Now getting back to the very basics; no one country or series owns any rider. They’re effectively guns for hire and when out of contract, are free to go wherever they please. If that threatens your delicate ego, then that’s on you.

Back to WSX, was it perfect? No. Name a series that is. Was it entertaining? Hell yes. Does it provide additional opportunity to professional riders? Yes. How is that a bad thing…..

Despite the pathetic regular displays of fear and loathing here. I’ll continue to enjoy all moto series for the individual attributes on offer, while that sad group wallows in their self-induced negativity.

Bring on the gate drops, wherever they may be!

 

731chopper wrote:

It dilutes the talent pool. How is that hard to understand? Our sport is too small to have 3 top level championships running at the same...

It dilutes the talent pool. How is that hard to understand? Our sport is too small to have 3 top level championships running at the same time. 

CPR wrote:

Let me guess again- you think the moto world, outside of the US centre of the universe, is so small that we must all work for...

Let me guess again- you think the moto world, outside of the US centre of the universe, is so small that we must all work for Global? 😂🤣🤣

CPR wrote:

Let me guess again- you think the moto world, outside of the US centre of the universe, is so small that we must all work for...

Let me guess again- you think the moto world, outside of the US centre of the universe, is so small that we must all work for Global? 😂🤣🤣

RACING wrote:

Oh no, it's just that regarding WSX, your storytelling is sooooooooo far away from everything I see (as I'm a nice guy, I restrained myself from...

Oh no, it's just that regarding WSX, your storytelling is sooooooooo far away from everything I see (as I'm a nice guy, I restrained myself from writing my first thought "from the truth")... 

By the way, I'm French. And I still think there already was a way better, way more legit supercross world championship before WSX. It's actually still the case.

mofomotojoe wrote:

Agree. but although I do not hate them, they do seem to try a bit too hard...borderline cheezzzzy. My biggest criticism is the logo, fonts, etc...

Agree. but although I do not hate them, they do seem to try a bit too hard...borderline cheezzzzy.

My biggest criticism is the logo, fonts, etc... the branding seems off. When I show it to non moto friends, they think it is a company doing blockchain scam stuff. The animated graphics are horrible. Whoever graphics company did this, yes, I am shitting on your work and on who made the decisions. 

I like Jeff and Ralph in there, the racing is good. the camera rapid slowmo replay is crisp and neat. I would like to have more races.

Remember back in the days we had the Mastercross races? awesome stuff yet mostly unknown, where GP champ Albee would duke McGrath etc, hybrid Sx/MX.. Yet today's world has the opportunity to reach a broader audience and yet ... the internet seems to have allowed half the fans to bitch and hate on shit anytime anywhere. Just like I do. 

Jonny Crash wrote:

The logos and branding seems off? What like supermoto cross? At least they don't have animated logos on the track. Monster energy supercross bought to you...

The logos and branding seems off? What like supermoto cross? At least they don't have animated logos on the track. Monster energy supercross bought to you by monster energy sponsored by monster energy 

HonDawg17 wrote:

Vince disgracing the sacred #3 is the biggest abomination I've seen in recent history. Makes me hate him even more. And HE won a race? WOW...

Vince disgracing the sacred #3 is the biggest abomination I've seen in recent history. Makes me hate him even more. And HE won a race? WOW. No one in the stands, check. Still cardboard boxes under the tough block covers, check. Terrible overall racing talent, check. Overpaying purses for typical 10-20 place riders, check. Less than 10K people in the entire stadium, check. Still 80% of the riders are American, I thought WSX wanted a "true world talent pool", check. Sure I understand you guys saying more racing is better. Of course it is. BUT, its the principle and motive of what they are trying to do to American Motocross

Goldmember wrote:

#3 He's leading the way for Eli,   when he goes WSX in 2024. Vince is a top tier racer who has a longer career than Eli's and...

#3

He's leading the way for Eli,   when he goes WSX in 2024.

Vince is a top tier racer who has a longer career than Eli's and deserves respect for that.

He's just recovered from a serious Achilles injury, and was out there getting it done with the help of special foot pegs.

CPR wrote:

Please explain where I’m storytelling and what’s not truth? And I never said WSX was better or more legit, because it’s not. On a positive note...

Please explain where I’m storytelling and what’s not truth? And I never said WSX was better or more legit, because it’s not.

On a positive note; it was good to see Aranda mixing it up with the AMA guys. Surely you appreciate that?

DrinkMoreWater wrote:

Everyone says wants to grow the sport but hate when they see growing the sport, WSX is growing the sport, Lawrence brothers are growing the sport...

Everyone says wants to grow the sport but hate when they see growing the sport, WSX is growing the sport, Lawrence brothers are growing the sport, Deegan is growing the sport.

Deegan one has me mystified, I've seen people comment about "his shit fans" Deegan isn't bringing in old fans to the sport he's bringing in people who haven't encounter our great sport before, a lot of his fans are under 18 and there is A LOT of them, what the fuck is there to hate here? And Deegan aside he literally ticks all the boxes that you American fans want, he's all American, he is patriotic, he works as hard as anyone, he has grit and heart and now he's the first American to podium for the year, seriously get over your petty insecurities and support the people who are making a difference.

Then I see shit talking about how theres too much Jett coverage, the commentators explaining things for noobs etc, if you have been watching the sport for over 10 years chances are you are not going to stop watching so they are not marketing the sport for you they already have you, they are marketing the sport to people who have never seen it before.

If you don't like growth in the sport you're just a insecure bitter hater who doesn't want the sport to grow plain and simple, you should be grateful that WSX stepped into the ring because without them AMA would continue the same shit effort they have put in for over a decade.

RC, James, McGrath is over they ain't coming back.

RaceFace232 wrote:

Which sport is growing?  The NFL didn’t grow by splitting up its talent and holding multiple championships all over the world.  They do have NFL Europe...

Which sport is growing?  The NFL didn’t grow by splitting up its talent and holding multiple championships all over the world.  They do have NFL Europe but they didn’t send Tom Brady and Patrick Mahommes there to grow it.  It’s full of people no one’s ever heard of.  All the top talent is still in the NFL.   the NFL has grown by providing the highest level talent going head to head.  THAT is what grows a sport.  Not just putting out as many lane ass series as you can all watered down in talent.  Who think Roczen isn’t winning every round?  I’m a passionate MX fan and I’m not planning on watching a single highlight.  Growth?.  

Perky wrote:

Vince Friese deserving any respect is amazing as someone who’s made a career out of being a warrantless take-out artist. Wasn’t he the guy that paid...

Vince Friese deserving any respect is amazing as someone who’s made a career out of being a warrantless take-out artist. Wasn’t he the guy that paid someone to put Brayton on the ground last year?

DrinkMoreWater wrote:

You're comparing a nationalistic sport to a sport/hobby that has no national connection, Riding Dirt bikes is world wide, that's like saying Indy car takes from...

You're comparing a nationalistic sport to a sport/hobby that has no national connection, Riding Dirt bikes is world wide, that's like saying Indy car takes from F1, Nascar takes from Australian Supercars, The American Soccer league is diluting EPL on so on, not surprising you mention NFL here NFL is not a world sport nor is America the world, because you get to watch SX in America doesn't mean I can as I don't live in America, I am grateful that this series gives me the chance to see decent pro level SX locally.

My bias comes from seeing it person that is all, do I think WSX is here to stay? at this stage it will most likely fail but I'll support it while it's around, who knows maybe something will click and it will take off, or maybe AMA will eventually split some rounds accross the world I don't know.

On the growth front I stand by what I said WSX is one portion of it my other points such as Deegan the hate towards him and the hate towards his fans is pathetic and that boy is generating plenty of growth and people seemed to be pissed off by that which I find weird because for the past 10 years in this community everyone is banging about growth and how to do it, when we get it we hate it.

Goldmember wrote:

You sound annoyed, angry, and are poorly informed. 

Goldmember wrote:

You sound annoyed, angry, and are poorly informed. 

Perky wrote:

What am I poorly informed on?

Farmer J wrote:

Its the same guys in every thread shit talking wsx. The same guys who claim to hate it can't stop themselves from clicking on threads about...

Its the same guys in every thread shit talking wsx. The same guys who claim to hate it can't stop themselves from clicking on threads about it. They contradict themselves too. I wouldn't let the same few miserable posters make you think every American hates wsx. Just give it a few and they'll show up in here too even tho they hate it.