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2 strokes are harder to ride fast,they are plenty fast enough for most local guys that will never ride it to the limits. A fast rider will make it fast. The generation of bikes now don’t take much skill vs riding the two stroke where you need to be in the right gear,right part of the power band and know how to use that clutch. I think most older guys will side on the two stroke since that’s what we grew up on and these young kids like the 4 stroke because you can be lazy on it. Either way nothing like a two stroke on the pipe railing an outside loamy corner. If you like the fart box or the screaming bees,as long as it puts a smile on your face at the end of the day who cares!
I haven’t owned a 450 since 2009. I was probably faster on it than any 250 I’ve had, but I genuinely have more fun on the 250s. The high revs and shit traction make for a good adrenaline rush that I never got on the 4 strokes
Do you even jump bro?
Yes, and I rode one of the 84's for years off-road.
Did very little to it. Keep the suspension fresh, put rings in it once in awhile because you feel like you should.
Such a great bike. No double clutching out of a gulch, mind numbing speed on straights, the brakes were my only issue.
Well, that and clutch baskets.
But I could put a year on it riding every other weekend, sprockets, but that's any bike. The engine? You don't do anything except change oil.
No way anyone is doing that on a 4T.
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If the 4S is so easy to ride, it seems the Pro 450 would not be decimated with all the injuries that we see today.
It's too much power.
Can't wait to see what 80hp electrics will do to bodies. (sarcasm)
A steering wheel is more like it for you.
Yes they are
I have never not owned a 125/144 in the last 20 years and I've got two right now, and the modern 150 I've got is the most dangerous bike I've ever ridden and I am on my 6th 450.
It's just like the non suzuki owners that say buy an rmz. Most people saying to buy them don't own them.
Plus, the maintaince upkeep is crazy on a 125 or 150. Most vets can go 200 or 300 hours on a stock 450 with just oil changes and maybe once set of clutch plates.
Have you guys owned a modern 450?
Maybe in the manufacturer specs it did...
It depends on the dyno...
There's a few reason for me. I ride a 125 and the handling is probably the biggest reason. It's so light and nimble it feels almost like a toy with an engine. It feels like what a motocross bike should be. The smell and sound is just a bonus. I've always thought 2 strokes were a fascinating engine design, using ports in the cylinder with the piston essentially being the "valve" that lets air in and out. They're simple and fun to tinker with. I also think 2 stroke bikes look way better than their 4 stroke counterparts. I don't race anymore or have the desire to so it's all about fun for me and the 125 checks all the boxes.
I haven't blown up a 4 stroke yet. None of my friend have either that I know of.
These 2 stroke vs. 4 stroke threads are as stupid as oil threads. And come up just as often. This ought to go to the dungeon but no thread to OP.
Gravel pits back east and Glamis bros out here.
This is a good point. Would factory teams still run 250 4 bangers if 250 2T could run the same class?
You are correct sir… I had bad info.
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Yes they would still run 250 4 stokes, the factory teams are funded by the OEM's marketing budgets.
If the OEM's were trying to sell dihydrogen monoxide powered bikes, the factory teams would be racing them.
And a full gate of 125,s on the start everyone loves that. My hot French x said it turned her on , tingly down stairs. The 125 just looks better everywhere on the track. You see every riders style on a 125. 4-st there is no style. Profeshenals doing crazy body english to clear huge gaps . The 04 cr125 problably has an engine that forces momentum more than any 125. Some might say the worst engine. I say the best it forces you to carry speed everywhere & has a Very fun Hit and mid to top engine. I didn’t get hv a single 4-st pass me on a slick hard pack hilly track last yr. 19 hr day in brutal traffic today atL was smash city& sc. is 1 ln. I know I can make more on my 125 than some days out here.
Love racing my 2stroke against 450s. Nothing more satisfying than beating a field of 450s on a 250smoker. Anyone that doesnt find a 250 2stroke fun doesnt know how to ride one properly or just lazy.
As far as a race bike goes the 4strokes are hands down better as they are so much easier to ride but thats what makes a 2stroke so fun!
For fun factor I have to say the smoker does it for me. I went the 450 route and it was much easier to ride fast but kinda boring on a track. Now if you want to see what a two stroke can do in the hands of a capable rider watch the young Carson Brown at the controls of one or turn Mike Brown loose on a track with a premix machine. Your thinking on how a 4t rules might be detoured just a little.
2 Strokes hurt MX/SX as a spectacle and 4 strokes made riding easier to get into in the consumer market.
Two strokes are better because they're closer to being powered by raw explosions compared to a four stroke. The best bike would be a 1 stroke by this logic, which as best I can figure would be a rocket. Stamp it.
Remove the rag from the airbox, and tighten your intake boot.
I'll bet your close to 60.
I weighed 150-160 and could start mine.
For me they are the same, but different.
Get off the road before the black dog gets you Supertrucker
how this sums it up so perfectly is quite amazing.
The Stark Varg's are 0 stroke!
depends on the jump, bro
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