New bike day - Stark Varg has arrived!!!!

5/21/2023 7:55pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2023 8:06pm
Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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neysbo wrote:
Something is not adding up.  The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16...

Something is not adding up. 

The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16 laps in 35 minute so like 17 miles and you show 26 miles

Also my son was there who is an A rider and said he passed you a few times and here is a shot of his lit pro and he average only has 31.5mph.

Also the lit pro pic shows the track distance and lap time.  

My guess is you rode 9 or so miles on some more wide open ground to get that kind of average speed and miles. i F56657C8-3BE1-4B60-BF44-4972E20E48FC

 

Thats really good data to compare to. I, too, thought the numbers looked odd. 45mph seemed way fast to me, and 26 miles seemed really far. I was just talking to my buddy who had his garmin watch on and his had an average of 28mph.

Like others have mentioned, I think there is a unit conversion error and the numbers are actually reflecting metric units.

43.6kmh =  27mph.

26km = 16.1 miles

Those numbers make way more sense.

I've reported a couple other bugs like this to the team already, but guess i'm off to report another!

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5/21/2023 8:04pm

Can’t be the greatest mx bike ever if it’s using communist units to track ride info. 

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5/21/2023 8:08pm

Can’t be the greatest mx bike ever if it’s using communist units to track ride info. 

Lmao! That one got me.

It probably has mm sized bolts too!

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5/21/2023 8:10pm
NicNak wrote:
Just to clarify! I never said “I passed the e bike dude.” Paps just asked me for my average time then I told him & said...

Just to clarify! I never said “I passed the e bike dude.” Paps just asked me for my average time then I told him & said that I didn’t see anybody going on average 15 mph faster than me but maybe the e bike was so quiet I didn’t notice 😂

I did see the guy out there & pointed it out to my girlfriend. Bike seems cool. Don’t bother me but I’m gonna stick with my gas powered dirt bikes for a bit no matter what the stats say about the electric bike & battery, etc. God bless. 

You were ripping out there! No worries

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5/21/2023 8:22pm

Can’t be the greatest mx bike ever if it’s using communist units to track ride info. 

Lmao! That one got me.

It probably has mm sized bolts too!

Nothing wrong with Commi measurements haha get with the times hahahaha

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5/21/2023 8:55pm
wicksy85 wrote:

Nothing wrong with Commi measurements haha get with the times hahahaha

SI units are just are not intuitive. Why would people want things to be 10s based when they can be abstract fractions of random numbers. 

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrjqMwhrGnS/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

After watching this clip on Imperial Units, I‘m now totally convinced that the USA must be the greatest country with the greatest minds in human history. Otherwise it would be impossible to build up the largest economy in the world and do things like land on the moon on the basis of this insane clusterf..k of units…

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Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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neysbo wrote:
Something is not adding up.  The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16...

Something is not adding up. 

The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16 laps in 35 minute so like 17 miles and you show 26 miles

Also my son was there who is an A rider and said he passed you a few times and here is a shot of his lit pro and he average only has 31.5mph.

Also the lit pro pic shows the track distance and lap time.  

My guess is you rode 9 or so miles on some more wide open ground to get that kind of average speed and miles. i F56657C8-3BE1-4B60-BF44-4972E20E48FC

 

Thats really good data to compare to. I, too, thought the numbers looked odd. 45mph seemed way fast to me, and 26 miles seemed really far...

Thats really good data to compare to. I, too, thought the numbers looked odd. 45mph seemed way fast to me, and 26 miles seemed really far. I was just talking to my buddy who had his garmin watch on and his had an average of 28mph.

Like others have mentioned, I think there is a unit conversion error and the numbers are actually reflecting metric units.

43.6kmh =  27mph.

26km = 16.1 miles

Those numbers make way more sense.

I've reported a couple other bugs like this to the team already, but guess i'm off to report another!

Yes that makes sense ,  was not really trying to be a dick but just something was odd and I never thought about it could be showing kilometers.   

Bike sounds great and looks good,  The adjustments that can be made are crazy 

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5/22/2023 6:29am Edited Date/Time 5/22/2023 6:30am

This is my first time running Pirelli tires and i was curious from the beginning how well they would work in SoCal and how long they would last.

Welp, less than 3hrs, already chunking knobs. Sideways

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Teslas, E-bikes, and men in sandals. California, baby.

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Replacement charging cable with 240v 30a NEMA L14-30 twistlock and L14-30 to L5-15 (120V) adapter arrived. Now i can charge on 240V at max charging speed!

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Teslas, E-bikes, and men in sandals. California, baby.

Today I learned that wearing sandals is apparently not for men. Is this the new gripe now that we know it lasts 30+2 at a decent pace?

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5/22/2023 7:16am

cool

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This is my first time running Pirelli tires and i was curious from the beginning how well they would work in SoCal and how long they...

This is my first time running Pirelli tires and i was curious from the beginning how well they would work in SoCal and how long they would last.

Welp, less than 3hrs, already chunking knobs. Sideways

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I used them on my alta.
The first one warped pretty bad after a couple of rides.
Took it of and on and tried everything to get it to run straight again.
That did not work.
Took a new one, same problem within a couple of rides.
Replaced it with a Michelin and I am still running it without a problem.

a couple months ago there was a thread about problems with them.

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5/22/2023 7:22am Edited Date/Time 5/22/2023 7:27am

Can’t be the greatest mx bike ever if it’s using communist units to track ride info. 

Those communist units got your people on the moon...

and also originated in the communist paradise also known as France... Dizzy you can shit on e-bikes but don't shit on SI measurement units.

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5/22/2023 8:05am

I was getting the impression it was going to do like an hour and a half full pace I guess from the talks and presentations, I guess no one said a time so that's my fault but that's pretty disappointing it barely did a half hour. Imagine if they didn't add the extra cells/weight

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GD350 wrote:
I was getting the impression it was going to do like an hour and a half full pace I guess from the talks and presentations, I...

I was getting the impression it was going to do like an hour and a half full pace I guess from the talks and presentations, I guess no one said a time so that's my fault but that's pretty disappointing it barely did a half hour. Imagine if they didn't add the extra cells/weight

The Alta could not do close to that , about 20 minute at race pace , so no one expected the stark to do 1.5 hours 

You have to realise he's a fast rider , most average riders will get double that , and play riders on the alta  could get 2.5 hours , so 3.5 hours should be possible 

 

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5/22/2023 8:55am
Replacement charging cable with 240v 30a NEMA L14-30 twistlock and L14-30 to L5-15 (120V) adapter arrived. Now i can charge on 240V at max charging speed...

Replacement charging cable with 240v 30a NEMA L14-30 twistlock and L14-30 to L5-15 (120V) adapter arrived. Now i can charge on 240V at max charging speed!

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My minimum riding day is four 20 min motos. One per hour and hit the road after 4hours.

It looks like you can get two 20's without charging. Would like to understand how charging between motos for 40min would look like. Can you share how it went with this new cable?

Thanks!

 

5/22/2023 9:10am
GD350 wrote:
I was getting the impression it was going to do like an hour and a half full pace I guess from the talks and presentations, I...

I was getting the impression it was going to do like an hour and a half full pace I guess from the talks and presentations, I guess no one said a time so that's my fault but that's pretty disappointing it barely did a half hour. Imagine if they didn't add the extra cells/weight

He  said it used 75% of the battery to do the 35 minutes .  On an MX track there are people who will drain an entire tank in a 35 minute moto.  If you are doing 45 minute motos at fast B /A level speed  then a gas bike with oversized tank and or gas stops will be needed.  I wouldn't be surprised if he goes out and rides some trails to show what could be expected on slower paced rides.  Seems like there is a demand for the info. If You are trail riding than You could get a lot more time from a charge. I'm not sure how quick Bryan can run through a tank on a Gas bike , but lets say it has close to or 75% of the range of a full tank of gas on a MX bike. That might be a better way to guess on runtime for your riding style and terrain. 

  Bryan could also run a gas 450 and see how far he gets out of a tank to compare and see if tank fulls would be a helpful way of guessing range. I know it is not going to be 100% accurate , and might not even really useful info , but since range varies so much depending on riding ability, terrain , etc. It might be a better way of explaining the range with so many people concerned about the range. Saying up to 6 hours  is kinda like when the cable guy says he's showing up between 12 and 6PM. I understand why they  have it listed like that.  

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5/22/2023 9:24am
Replacement charging cable with 240v 30a NEMA L14-30 twistlock and L14-30 to L5-15 (120V) adapter arrived. Now i can charge on 240V at max charging speed...

Replacement charging cable with 240v 30a NEMA L14-30 twistlock and L14-30 to L5-15 (120V) adapter arrived. Now i can charge on 240V at max charging speed!

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mtl wrote:
My minimum riding day is four 20 min motos. One per hour and hit the road after 4hours. It looks like you can get two 20's...

My minimum riding day is four 20 min motos. One per hour and hit the road after 4hours.

It looks like you can get two 20's without charging. Would like to understand how charging between motos for 40min would look like. Can you share how it went with this new cable?

Thanks!

 

You could probably just top up charging for a shorter amount of time between each moto to avoid a single longer charging period. I think Stark says an hour to charge from 0 to 100% on the 240 ( they say 1-2 hours to charge) on their website. I assume that is from 0 to 100 and  it takes an hour on the faster higher voltage, or 2 on the standard outlet. 

 You might be able to top off the battery charging for short period ,15 or 20 minutes so that you did not have to charge for as long  . With most lithium batteries its better for the battery to avoid going too low on voltage and charge it  before it's dead anyway. Then you could also avoid the power  dropping off around 15%  like Bryan had said.  I'm not sure what Stark recommends , but most lithium batteries should be stored at less than a full charge. I keep my drone batteries at around 75% . So maybe charge between each moto and then wait until the night before the next ride to top it off again.  The people I know with electric cars plug them in anytime there is a charger available at someplace they stop.   

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5/22/2023 9:30am
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Teslas, E-bikes, and men in sandals. California, baby.

Mile after mile after mile of boring, featureless, flat land, toll booths, and wind chills. Illinois, baby.

I'm no fan of California, to say the least, but your state is hardly a paradise by comparison.

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5/22/2023 10:34am

Damn I'd be bummed to see a Pirelli do that with ~3 hrs.

Is the motor sound of the Varg any different from the Alta?

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Replacement charging cable with 240v 30a NEMA L14-30 twistlock and L14-30 to L5-15 (120V) adapter arrived. Now i can charge on 240V at max charging speed...

Replacement charging cable with 240v 30a NEMA L14-30 twistlock and L14-30 to L5-15 (120V) adapter arrived. Now i can charge on 240V at max charging speed!

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Now every track owner in the world is going to have to pay for everyone's gas now too? Hows that going to work?

Imagine 350 bikes spaghetti extension cord wiring all charging off of the tracks owners light poles in the pits. haha.

Who picks up that bill?

Answer: The gas riders as the track fees all just doubled. You're welcome for E Bikes saving Moto!

 

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5/22/2023 10:51am

Is this the only Stark in the US?  Where are the rest of them?  I figured there would be guys posting all over about their new bikes.

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5/22/2023 10:53am

So how quickly can it charge? How much is an extra battery to be able to swap at practice/races?

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5/22/2023 10:56am Edited Date/Time 5/22/2023 11:04am
Gator724 wrote:

So how quickly can it charge? How much is an extra battery to be able to swap at practice/races?

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Battery price from Stark. Plus delivery.

How quickly, if at all, a hot battery can be charged is a moot question. 

Charging heats batteries the same as discharging them and the battery control programming will have a lot to say about how quickly things happen, regardless of input voltage.

Hot swapping high voltage, high current batteries is extremely dangerous. Unlikely to happen and probably not allowed at tracks and venues.

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5/22/2023 10:59am Edited Date/Time 5/22/2023 11:06am
devotid wrote:
Now every track owner in the world is going to have to pay for everyone's gas now too? Hows that going to work? Imagine 350 bikes...

Now every track owner in the world is going to have to pay for everyone's gas now too? Hows that going to work?

Imagine 350 bikes spaghetti extension cord wiring all charging off of the tracks owners light poles in the pits. haha.

Who picks up that bill?

Answer: The gas riders as the track fees all just doubled. You're welcome for E Bikes saving Moto!

 

You know track owners charge for electrical hookups and have done so for forever, right?

These posts are getting more and more mindless.

 

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5/22/2023 11:01am Edited Date/Time 5/22/2023 11:31am
alphado wrote:
Is this the only Stark in the US?  Where are the rest of them?  I figured there would be guys posting all over about their new...

Is this the only Stark in the US?  Where are the rest of them?  I figured there would be guys posting all over about their new bikes.

Bryan mentioned his shipped with the wrong charger but that none of the others deliveries would be affected, basically saying his is the only bike that has shipped. lol

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Replacement charging cable with 240v 30a NEMA L14-30 twistlock and L14-30 to L5-15 (120V) adapter arrived. Now i can charge on 240V at max charging speed...

Replacement charging cable with 240v 30a NEMA L14-30 twistlock and L14-30 to L5-15 (120V) adapter arrived. Now i can charge on 240V at max charging speed!

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devotid wrote:
Now every track owner in the world is going to have to pay for everyone's gas now too? Hows that going to work? Imagine 350 bikes...

Now every track owner in the world is going to have to pay for everyone's gas now too? Hows that going to work?

Imagine 350 bikes spaghetti extension cord wiring all charging off of the tracks owners light poles in the pits. haha.

Who picks up that bill?

Answer: The gas riders as the track fees all just doubled. You're welcome for E Bikes saving Moto!

 

What?

That's for his generator too.

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