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This one hits way too close to home
my daughter and I went shopping this afternoon for Mother’s Day gifts, fortunately we left when we did because around 2 hours after we left there was a shooting in the same outlet mall that we were shopping at. 4 dead as of now with multiple others being treated for injuries
So thankful you guys got out in time. That’s so scary. I’m not sure how many more of these we have to have before action is taken.
My Dad was at a theater with our kids about a mile away from there today. We are stuck in Turkey. Our flight was cancelled so waiting on another one.
9 dead and many more wounded. It's mind boggling and it's becoming way too frequent.
And a police officer was right there in the mall and engaged with the shooter ASAP. Yet still so many dead and wounded. I can’t believe there’s people that think we shouldn’t act.
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What’s your solution? Other than disarming law abiding citizens and turning all of us in to “soft” targets…….
I’ve already said what my solutions would be, in detail. Here’s the short version. 2 week wait period to purchase any firearm. Must pass a test and training course to get your license that you must provide to purchase one. Voluntary gun buy back available at any local sheriff’s office. Stricter background checks and stronger enforcement of existing laws. 21 to purchase any firearm.
Do you honestly think that will work from stopping crazy people with no criminal history?
Not all. But it would stop some. Right now, we just shrug our shoulders and say there’s nothing we can do. Then send thoughts and prayers and wait 2 weeks to repeat. We are far from “well regulated” right now.
What you propose isn't a radical plan .
However after the police do their investigation and the circumstances of how the shooter bought the gun passes all of what you just proposed (similar to the Nashville school shooter) then what??
Is that the inflection point to disarm America or maybe we finally have the uncomfortable conversation about the declining mental health in this country including the fact that people who are fvucked in the head will still find a way to kill people even without guns?
I'm not trying to be a jerk because I'm also tired of the shootings . I sincerely want to know what a realistic remedy is going to look like.
IMO any plan that doesn't put more teeth in existing laws is not a serious plan.
Here’s something the left and the right agree on actually. They just disagree strongly on how it should be solved. Mental health is a huge issue in the trans community. This shooter in Nashville, as we now know, was trans. I find it very hard to believe that stricter background checks wouldn’t have caught something our current ones don’t. It’s also insane people can be on the terrorist watch list and can’t fly on an airplane but they can buy a firearm. That’s insanity, and I think both sides would agree there.
Thoughts & prayers
Sexual Dysphoria is a mental illness. Which should have disqualified the shooter from purchasing a firearm, period.
We don’t need anymore regulation, or law. We need to use and enforce what’s already there.
We need to show these crazies that they will get the death penalty immediately after if the police or law abiding citizen doesn't serve it up first. This administration has legalized crime. Enough already, bring back public executions and advertise it so people are scared shit less to commit crimes.
I do agree that the background checks need to be more thorough amd cover more databases as well.
Just something to add to the conversation…
We already have numerous laws that directly affect those who have actually committed crimes with guns, rather than sweeping legislation affecting everyone who owns or wants to own a gun, most of whom will do so responsibly.
However, prosecutors routinely deal away those crimes and/or sentencing enhancements to make plea deals. Courts and DA’s are letting out wholesale quantities of career criminals with violent criminal records, many involving gun crimes.
Until available existing laws regarding gun crimes (committed by people with a pattern of such issues) are enforced with a hardline approach, I don’t want to hear about new laws, especially those that affect law-abiding gun owners.
Maybe it’s time to start treating mental health the same way we treat child protective issues…see something, say something…get a complaint about someone and law enforcement/mental health specialists come in open an investigation and do an evaluation, and determine if that person is safe, responsible enough to have guns and either removed the guns and add them to a red flag list so they can’t buy a gun, or clears them and they go on their way.….same thing that happens if someone files a complaint with DCFS…DCFS comes in, opens and investigation on the parents, does their investigations and either removed the children or clears the family.
anyone can file a complaint, for any reason, with DCSF…and they are subjected to an investigation. It’s sucks when good parents have to be investigated…but it’s what has to be done to protect kids.
I think it’s time for something similar regarding mental health.
Deputizing citizens against each other is a pathway being utilized for enforcement of a number of things that have recently been made illegal. We'll see how it shakes out but on the surface it doesn't seem like promoting spying on each other is promoting freedom.
Again, that is essentially what happens with DCSF…a friend of mine’s son fell off a couch and broke his arm…they are awesome parents…at the hospital one of the nurses thought their might be abuse…reported them to DCSF, and they had to go through an investigation….sucks, but it is what it is. They endured the investigation, and went on with their lives.
another friend got in a dispute with their neighbor…the neighbor reported them to DCSF just to make their life miserable…and they had to go through an investigation…it sucks…but is what it is. They endured the investigation and went on with their lives.
Would similar happen with a see something say something about mental health? Probably…and it sucks…it wouldn’t be a perfect system…but the program could save lives. Just like DCFS, it’s not perfect but it definitely saves kids lives…
Id support it…
Americans are selfish and irresponsible.
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Loathe to comment on your problems with this “issue” in the US…..
But we have a poster in this thread that offered some valid ideas that may help, and pretty similar to laws in my country yet according to downvotes is vilified. All points I am familiar with as I have a weapons licence and multiple firearms (rural/ag purposes).
You say the horse has bolted, and the baddies have all the guns. But it seems some of these latest shootings are done by those with newly acquired weapons.
Anything has to help in your country’s current predicament, just bloody do something to start or old mate above is spot on - selfish
Baddies have guns in Australia, Australia also has people with mental health issues, but Australia's gun death rate is 13 times lower than the US.
Nothing will change, the US is a divided country.
But there's always thoughts and prayers.
I started a thread 6 months ago to discuss a project to give mentally ill in NYC a place for treatment. How does this idea you mentio. Here square with your first comment in this thread https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/non-moto/socialism
The Nazi’s turned neighbor against neighbor and used that citizen reporting. Red Flag laws are bullshit.
I have softened a bit on my stance on this issue in the past 6 months.
All of these mentally ill people killing other Americans is getting to me to the point I’d support some ways of getting to the mentally ill before they kill a bunch of people.
I’ve been watching documentaries on some past mass murderers…and the common thread-with incredibly few exceptions, in those I’ve looked into- is mental illness. And often people were aware they had mental health issues, and were a threat either to themselves or others, and there was nothing they could do.
maybe my “see something say something” anonymous reporting system isn’t the solution…but we have to figure out some way of getting to crazy people before they kill a bunch of people.
This shooter was a self-proclaimed member of the Right Wing Death Squad.
Tots and Pears.
Yeah, that is a job I want.
“Hello, I am from the government, and I am here to evaluate whether or not you should be able to have a gun.”
Nobody is taking that job.
We already have it in a plethora of other scenarios…my neighbors are abusing their kids….my neighbors are dealing drugs…etc etc.
how is that much different from…my neighbor is crazy and I think he could be a threat to himself or other people?
thank you Indy, that brought the 8 dead back to life, just the solution we needed
People are willing to do it for DCFS…”I’m from the government and I’m here to evaluate if you are a good parent and determine if you get to keep your kids or not.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/gunman-in-allen-texas-mall-shooting-had-r…;
the issue with this is, mental illness does not stop someone from purchasing a gun. The only mental illness that it restricts is if you have been admitted to a psychiatric ward.
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