On track Alpinestar medical crew does nothing, spinal chord injury is serious

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Gravel wrote:
PAGING DR INTERNET, DR INTERNET YOU ARE NEEDED IN NASHVILLE! It’s cool that you’ve seen other sports do things differently, maybe Moto could improve, but calling...

PAGING DR INTERNET, DR INTERNET YOU ARE NEEDED IN NASHVILLE!

It’s cool that you’ve seen other sports do things differently, maybe Moto could improve, but calling names is pretty crappy and it makes it really easy to ignore you. 

And he wasn't there. Who knows what  the communication was between all involved... That were there at the crash site. 

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mikedez wrote:
I don’t know why the op is getting so much hate. They didn’t even put a neck brace on him. First thing I said when it...

I don’t know why the op is getting so much hate. They didn’t even put a neck brace on him. First thing I said when it showed the mule bumping all over the place with the guy holding his hands around coops neck was why the **** do they not have a neck brace or him on a backboard? 

Because everybody thinks their a expert when they are watching on TV and feel they need to shit on the Medical crew or Flaggers or Feld, never seen a sport when all the so called fans need shit on everything they see. The sport does not need those idiots.  

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Gravel wrote:
PAGING DR INTERNET, DR INTERNET YOU ARE NEEDED IN NASHVILLE! It’s cool that you’ve seen other sports do things differently, maybe Moto could improve, but calling...

PAGING DR INTERNET, DR INTERNET YOU ARE NEEDED IN NASHVILLE!

It’s cool that you’ve seen other sports do things differently, maybe Moto could improve, but calling names is pretty crappy and it makes it really easy to ignore you. 

BobbyMyers wrote:

And he wasn't there. Who knows what  the communication was between all involved... That were there at the crash site. 

Who cares what he said. He definitely got nailed right in the spine. They certainly did not try to get him to lye down and have him not move. The definitely removed him from the track on the mule, why would they not immobilize him like is the standard in any similar situation in any other sport.  

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Too many racers in wheelchairs now. Lots of vital guys are going to say "o but they are doctors and nurses and work on EMS"; Then...

Too many racers in wheelchairs now. Lots of vital guys are going to say "o but they are doctors and nurses and work on EMS"; Then why do they do absolutely nothing for Webb? They should have told Webb don't move at all and then they immobilize him with a scoop stretcher and move him to the x-ray for a better evaluation before anything. 

 

That was a direct hit to the spine and you can see alpinestars directing him to walk off the track then he is just sitting up on the mule. Anyone can help a rider to the mule and then drive so what does alpinestars provide??? 

 

They really need to practice some spinal trauma management on the track. The racers should understand ahead of time that if they take a big hit and are already off the track they need to just not move and alpinestars will extricate them to the mobile x-ray and a more controlled environment before they are allowed to sit up and walk around potentially exacerbating a spinal chord injury.   

The way they had Webb on the mule is exactly how they had Brian Moreau? No lessons learned???

 

Here you go FIFA is using whats called a stokes stretcher which would be better than letting Webb stumble around, make him stand then ride sitting up with nothing supporting his spine across a dirtbike track s1200 photo

 

Before they got dude on that fancy stretcher, did they put The Magic Spray on his "injury" first?

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Gravel wrote:
PAGING DR INTERNET, DR INTERNET YOU ARE NEEDED IN NASHVILLE! It’s cool that you’ve seen other sports do things differently, maybe Moto could improve, but calling...

PAGING DR INTERNET, DR INTERNET YOU ARE NEEDED IN NASHVILLE!

It’s cool that you’ve seen other sports do things differently, maybe Moto could improve, but calling names is pretty crappy and it makes it really easy to ignore you. 

BobbyMyers wrote:

And he wasn't there. Who knows what  the communication was between all involved... That were there at the crash site. 

Bro......you know back when you were racing he'd been having a beer at the truck waiting for LCQ. Hope he's ok.

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Unlike alpinestars I have never been sued 

Go home. You’re drunk.
 

Sober up and come back tomorrow to apologize for making such an ass of yourself. 

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Webb should have been immobilized and on a backboard after that type of impact.

I agree with th OP on protocol. 

It needs improvement. 

 

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Backboards and neck braces just look good to the UNTRAINED eye. I can spot a broken neck from a mile away in my ER waiting room. If it's actually broke the the patient will be holding it completely still, they don't need a neck brace or back board to do it. The up-to-date research is showing that it's just a waste of time. But sure, you know more than they do. 

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4/29/2023 8:46pm Edited Date/Time 4/29/2023 8:52pm
Backboards and neck braces just look good to the UNTRAINED eye. I can spot a broken neck from a mile away in my ER waiting room...

Backboards and neck braces just look good to the UNTRAINED eye. I can spot a broken neck from a mile away in my ER waiting room. If it's actually broke the the patient will be holding it completely still, they don't need a neck brace or back board to do it. The up-to-date research is showing that it's just a waste of time. But sure, you know more than they do. 

No you can't. It's much better to take proper precautions and get imaging. https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/ryan-dungey-out-with-cracked-vert…

Dungey was racing on a c6 fracture. You can not spot these things from "a mile away" You also can not just ask the racer if they are ok. They need to take precautions and get an image. Dungey could have easily been in a wheelchair and he was still out riding the bike

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I cannot believe some of yous are still trying to defend what happened with Moreau. It was an absolute disgrace the way they treated him . I really hope all that were involved were fired . As for the Webb crash it's different imo . It's depends alot on what the rider is saying. I don't see to much wrong in the way they handled it .      But the Wilson one last year is another balls up 

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Bro if you’re an actually paramedic then post your P#.

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They all have a hell of a lot more creditability than blowhards like you. 

What is your deal man. Why are you always so vitriolic.

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Well go ahead and get your medic license and you go show them everything they are doing wrong since you seem to know it all. Piss...

Well go ahead and get your medic license and you go show them everything they are doing wrong since you seem to know it all. Piss off 

So triggered. Such a strong opinion and apparently projecting on the license bit. Guess he told you didn't he. 

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4/29/2023 9:35pm Edited Date/Time 4/29/2023 9:36pm
spimx wrote:
If they are so credible then what did they do Webb or Brian Moreau? Touch him with their magic healing hands?  Maybe I missed something?    ...

If they are so credible then what did they do Webb or Brian Moreau? Touch him with their magic healing hands?  Maybe I missed something?  

 

I know basic EMT medics that know how to identify a hard hit, tell someone don't move, place them on a scoop stretcher and lift it to the mule and drive carefully off the track to the x-ray? Probably cut their clothes off, get some imaging, perform a neuro exam and physical exam?  

How hard is that?  

As of now, putting Moreau and Webb in the same sentence is rrrrreally appropriate.

And shows your credibility and honesty.

I hope Webb is OK.

Reddit moment with the 'appropriate' shaming and ineffective sarcasm. Poes law. Honestly can't tell if you're serious or sarcastic. I'm guessing sarcastic sadly. 

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4/29/2023 9:38pm
spimx wrote:
Too many racers in wheelchairs now. Lots of vital guys are going to say "o but they are doctors and nurses and work on EMS"; Then...

Too many racers in wheelchairs now. Lots of vital guys are going to say "o but they are doctors and nurses and work on EMS"; Then why do they do absolutely nothing for Webb? They should have told Webb don't move at all and then they immobilize him with a scoop stretcher and move him to the x-ray for a better evaluation before anything. 

 

That was a direct hit to the spine and you can see alpinestars directing him to walk off the track then he is just sitting up on the mule. Anyone can help a rider to the mule and then drive so what does alpinestars provide??? 

 

They really need to practice some spinal trauma management on the track. The racers should understand ahead of time that if they take a big hit and are already off the track they need to just not move and alpinestars will extricate them to the mobile x-ray and a more controlled environment before they are allowed to sit up and walk around potentially exacerbating a spinal chord injury.   

The way they had Webb on the mule is exactly how they had Brian Moreau? No lessons learned???

 

Here you go FIFA is using whats called a stokes stretcher which would be better than letting Webb stumble around, make him stand then ride sitting up with nothing supporting his spine across a dirtbike track s1200 photo

 

Not really sure what the downvotes are about… hard to argue that he shouldn’t have been placed on a board and had his neck stabilized. That hit was brutal 

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Okay, ill bite. Why? Im not a first responder (unless they walk in or get dropped off or kicked out at the door) but i can...

Okay, ill bite. Why? Im not a first responder (unless they walk in or get dropped off or kicked out at the door) but i can see some valid points he makes and a few others. Sure, its arm chair qb'ing but id almost be willing to bet that ambulance crew put on a collar, if they did the er crew most certainly will once the er dr/pa/np sees him. 

Im my experience 90% of the ems crews i've worked with would have him in a collar minimum. Thoughts sir? Just curious?

All this means nothing if webb said go kick rocks and wasnt gonna wear that shit. Pt right to refuse. 

It's okay we live in a credentialist society now. The fat DoH director knows better than you what's good for you and what's not because title.

Asking someone with a title for their rationale and support is like heresy. Like you're disrespecting the tribe's witch doctor. 

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4/29/2023 9:59pm Edited Date/Time 4/29/2023 10:00pm
brimx153 wrote:
I cannot believe some of yous are still trying to defend what happened with Moreau. It was an absolute disgrace the way they treated him...

I cannot believe some of yous are still trying to defend what happened with Moreau. It was an absolute disgrace the way they treated him . I really hope all that were involved were fired . As for the Webb crash it's different imo . It's depends alot on what the rider is saying. I don't see to much wrong in the way they handled it .      But the Wilson one last year is another balls up 

This is what I came away with from reading this. You can disagree with OP on whatever, but to blatantly go against him on that situation just because you disagree with the original post is absolutely insane. Moreau’s legs were completely limp as they were dragging him onto the mule

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Does anyone know if SX uses the Xray imaging equipment every football stadium has in cases of potential injuries like this? or do they transport to hospital for assessment?

 

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Does anyone know about not automatically putting a patient onto a back board?

It's a thing. 

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Do your work. 

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Does anyone know if SX uses the Xray imaging equipment every football stadium has in cases of potential injuries like this? or do they transport to...

Does anyone know if SX uses the Xray imaging equipment every football stadium has in cases of potential injuries like this? or do they transport to hospital for assessment?

 

The Alpinestars medical trailer has an X-ray machine. 

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Talltexan wrote:

 

Webb should have been immobilized and on a backboard after that type of impact.

I agree with th OP on protocol. 

It needs improvement. 

 

All I know is that that hit was intense, and I was incredibly surprised that they didn't immobilize his neck immediately.

The fact that he could walk isn't conclusive.  I had a spinal cord injury 6 months ago.  I was fine immediately after.  24 hours later I couldn't walk, nor use much at all on my left side.

I understand that Webb would've tried everything to continue (and win the championship), but sometimes the rider simply needs to be told no.

I hope he's alright.

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Talltexan wrote:

 

Webb should have been immobilized and on a backboard after that type of impact.

I agree with th OP on protocol. 

It needs improvement. 

 

Radical wrote:
All I know is that that hit was intense, and I was incredibly surprised that they didn't immobilize his neck immediately. The fact that he could...

All I know is that that hit was intense, and I was incredibly surprised that they didn't immobilize his neck immediately.

The fact that he could walk isn't conclusive.  I had a spinal cord injury 6 months ago.  I was fine immediately after.  24 hours later I couldn't walk, nor use much at all on my left side.

I understand that Webb would've tried everything to continue (and win the championship), but sometimes the rider simply needs to be told no.

I hope he's alright.

I got MOST control back BTW.

 

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Lot of TV doctors here. Best to stop race and evacuate whole stadium. 

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spimx wrote:
No you can't. It's much better to take proper precautions and get imaging. https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/ryan-dungey-out-with-cracked-vertebrae Dungey was racing on a c6 fracture. You can not spot these...

No you can't. It's much better to take proper precautions and get imaging. https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/ryan-dungey-out-with-cracked-vert…

Dungey was racing on a c6 fracture. You can not spot these things from "a mile away" You also can not just ask the racer if they are ok. They need to take precautions and get an image. Dungey could have easily been in a wheelchair and he was still out riding the bike

You do realize it's completely possible to break something in your neck, and to have it have absolutely no involvement with the spinal cord, right?

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Backboards and neck braces just look good to the UNTRAINED eye. I can spot a broken neck from a mile away in my ER waiting room...

Backboards and neck braces just look good to the UNTRAINED eye. I can spot a broken neck from a mile away in my ER waiting room. If it's actually broke the the patient will be holding it completely still, they don't need a neck brace or back board to do it. The up-to-date research is showing that it's just a waste of time. But sure, you know more than they do. 

I work in the er for a living as well and you know that's a bs statement. I have seen on more than one occasion where a person ended up having fractures of the neck that you would have never suspected.

My biggest complaint is that if you are gonna go thru the trouble up putting on a collar at least try to do it right. With today population that can be hard (fat, no-neck)

If we only prevent one Brian Moreau isnt that worth the protocols? 

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4/30/2023 5:53am Edited Date/Time 4/30/2023 5:53am

I have to admit, I was stunned they didn't even put a neck brace on him. I don't judge too harshly and figured they know better than me. But I definitely had that 😬 face going on

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I shattered 3 vertebrae. Thought i broke my sternum because it was very hard to breathe. 

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spimx wrote:
No you can't. It's much better to take proper precautions and get imaging. https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/ryan-dungey-out-with-cracked-vertebrae Dungey was racing on a c6 fracture. You can not spot these...

No you can't. It's much better to take proper precautions and get imaging. https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/ryan-dungey-out-with-cracked-vert…

Dungey was racing on a c6 fracture. You can not spot these things from "a mile away" You also can not just ask the racer if they are ok. They need to take precautions and get an image. Dungey could have easily been in a wheelchair and he was still out riding the bike

You do realize it's completely possible to break something in your neck, and to have it have absolutely no involvement with the spinal cord, right?

This is true but it "can" make it more unstable. We are talking about the neck. You get it wrong and we talking about being a quad.  You work in the ed? Then you have seen these quads come in for treatment (chronic utis, bed sores, infections, sepsis, etc).  That is not a life id want to live or anyone that ive ever met. 

If we only save one or prevent onefrom worsening, its worth it to me.  No disrespect meant. Trust im so over bs patients too its hard to not just become jaded and wave off most er visits. Burnt beyond belief over here on this couch.

Left a travel assignment in cali 2 months and aint worked since. No hurry to start back either.

I work for vital now (for free) assessing pts from the couch!!  Sunday morning qb'ing

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Anonymous.... My name is Jeremy Smith I'll call them directly 

send me their numbers jws24@live.com

Spi, just for the record, I'm not a medical expert in any way, but I don't think you're wrong here. I was shocked at the handling as well, but I guess the Alpinestar medical crew is now the third rail of Supercross. It is entirely possible that they are both good at what they do, but made or make the same mistake here. 

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