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Bio fuels though?
Diesel, ethanol, methanol and so on can be home brewed.
It's all captured sunshine.
Yeah, but growing and distilling a meaningful amount of biofuel vs just burning anything you see including biofuel or just capturing the sunlight or whatever fucking form of radiant, thermal, or kinectic energy is nearby directly into your roving gang smashing vehicle?
Electricity is the clear Mad Max anti government winner here.
Seriously, take a look at how much biomass is required to produce pretty moderate levels of fuel. It is a ton (literally many tons). Way more than a dude would be producing on their own. Not if they still want time to run their armored sport sedan over the pillaging gangs.
I honestly never looked at the battery power oh come on now ,when I go riding I check the fuel before I go back out and have to undo the cap and shake. all you had to do was look at you phone screen with all that telemetry and values and look at battery life
I'm starting to think Bryon is an investor in Stark.
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Imagine if someone came out with a new power source of a highly flammable liquid that you would carry in a tank sloshing around and hope it doesn’t blow up in an accident.
yeah, that would go over well.
But ePower is so bad. It’s coming, you won’t stop it.
I agree, let's take our shitty gas bikes and start a fire/riot and do what the government wants.
And what percent of dirtbike buyers are pro level, a very small amount.
So small in fact that Suzuki no longer puts development into their 250/450 race bikes or has a factory team.
I don’t think Stark is going for that level either.
What about KTM 450s not make it through a tough GP without adding the EXC tanks?
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They put out a video of them "remodeling" the STARK office and factory floor. Where are videos of those updates? KTM just did a headquarter tour with media, why doesnt STARK. Let's see the wheel room, Brembo brake room, or heck even the bathroom. Putting out videos of how to install plastic just seems odd. Maybe we are all going to eat crow, but surely theyre reading vital or their Instagram comments and seeing lots of skeptics. Just something not adding up. My opinion is they planned to get acquired, that didnt happen so now they dont know how to be a manufacturer or distributor, and dont have enough material or parts for the masses. And theyre trying to buy time til an acquisition occurs.
Lmao you're such a try hard. The joke is on you because at least KTM and others have the ability to add range on demand. I guess GNCC is a failure too since they have to refuel. What a joke, bike cant go 4 hours on a single tank? Trash heap time. PM me a price to delete your account. We can do a group buy to never see your posts again.
You need to relax, you just created an account and already you are making yourself out to look like a crazy weirdo. It's just a dirt bike discussion. Stop getting so worked up.
If anything, maybe you need to delete your account...
Lol umm yeah. Did.you ever hear about a few big banks just going out of business because of the money they lended and who to? I have no doubt Chad gets rich off this whether or not the company succeeds. That may actually be his whole game plan.
I'm not one to tell a man how to spend his money, but maybe pay down those upside down bike loans instead of trying to cancel someone because of words.
I'm trying to do Stark a solid in this thread and that Bryan guy isn't helping. lol. His comments are very measured and seem intentionally ambiguous. I'd probably do the same for a nice European vacation, though.
I invested $13,000 just like every other customer. Well, technically $100.
All they need to do is take a picture of their warehouse with bikes in it, and they won’t do it. Either they love reading the speculation here and elsewhere, or they have nothing to show. It’s as simple as that.
I mean, it's pretty transparent that he's using this ambiguity to drive views to his Youtube video(s). Whether this is a good or bad thing is dependent upon which side of the fence you sit on.
On the other hand, what motivation does he have to say anything less than stellar about the bike? Stark provided him what amounts to exclusive access from which he can create content. This (presumably) included covering what was he turned into a European vacation. They promised him the bike by May, before almost everyone else. There have been some suspicions that he had access to the pre-order before it officially went live, ensuring that he would be one of the first to receive a bike, which will obviously be used to create further content.
The problem is with how these type of arrangements are presented to us. The story, as far as I can tell, is being framed as "early Stark customer gets sneak preview of his new bike." In reality, this is skirting the lines of "paid advertising." Again, there's nothing necessarily wrong with any of this, it's a very common practice (especially in the automotive world).
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Try hard, haha! I wish it would be hard to trigger fools like you, then it would be much more fun, but it’s just too damn easy..
Is your tin foil hat a bit too tight?
Are you really comparing KTM to Stark? That’s like comparing KTM with TM, actually no it’s worse, much worse. TM is a long time small company whereas Stark is a startup. Totally different companies both in size and in strategy.
That is laughable.
Look up what the EPA is announcing tomorrow……all new strict legislation on emissions. This will be the effective equivalent of the first step towards banning gas powered vehicles. This is something I didn’t even think was coming so soon.
Man, you can think what you want, but its really way more simple than that.
First off, like many of you here, i'm a dirtbike enthusiast and have been riding since i was 3 years old. I love this sport. I then became an electric dirtbike enthusiast when i first rode an Alta MX in 2017 and then bought my MXR in 2018 (5 years ago), and have been enjoying having fun on the bike at local socal tracks ever since.
Steve Matthes hinted at this bike reveal the day before the release on Twitter on December 13, 2021. I even posted about it on the Alta forums. The original post was titled "Something new is coming". This is what tipped me off that something was about to be announced.
https://electricdirtriders.com/threads/stark-varg-something-new-is-comi…
I stumbled across Stark's youtube channel the day before the announcement. They accidentally posted their content publicly instead of making it private. I actually cant remember exactly how i stumbled on it, but i was just searching, googling hardcore, etc. Once i found the youtube i then found their website, saw that preorders were available, and i just thought to myself "100$ deposit? ok sure, what the heck?" and submitted an order. I didn't even know if it would work but it did. And that's it. The next day it went public and Stark contacted me thanking me for their first ever order.
Sorry, it wasn't the elaborate scheme you are fantasizing about.
Stark invited me out as their first customer. Yes, they shot some media with me which they have already posted, and that shouldn't be surprising. I'm under no obligation whatsoever to post content of my own. I could have just gone there to meet the team and ride the bike and said nothing and it would have been fine. I'm just choosing to share all my experience with everyone because i genuinely enjoy dirtbikes and i know everyone wants more information. This means sticking my neck out and being in the spolight, which is fine, but i'm not doing this for fame or fortune by any means. I just like dirtbikes and think electric dirtbikes are rad and its fun making content showing the fun i have. Thats it.
I spent a lot of time editing the recap video (in addition to my 50-60+hr workweek) where i cover many of the questions people are asking, and as i said before i'd rather people just watch that once its posted instead of me answering individual questions over and over and over again. I'm not hiding anything.
I wasn't comparing them to KTM, that was just an example. I, along with others am just curious why no pictures of the factory, assembly line, or warehouse? They talk about it being state of the art, so why not share, they shared the renditions and the sign hanging up, why not follow up on that? I want startups to succeed, I know it's hard work, and takes a lot of time, sacrifice and dedication. I hope they're being honest about everything and are successful, if that's the case good on the founders for taking a huge leap. BUT their current methods as time goes on seem out of the playbook of Theranos/Nikola. For example, you can find Surron factory pics online, and I'd assume STARKs would look similar.
I killed this fucker with my bare hands
It's unfortunate that your takeaway from my post is that I am suggesting that this is some sort of "scheme." In fact, I've repeatedly stated that the way Stark is managing access to pre-production bikes is a fairly common practice.
If everything played out the way you state with regards to the preorder, more power to you. You've obviously positioned yourself as an influencer of sorts in the EMX world and there's nothing wrong with that. Why not own it?
Bryan, thanks for posting your experience on here. Just curious - what was your longest session on the bike? I (and I assume a lot of others on here) am really just trying get real world feedback on what the battery life is like in actual riding conditions. It's as simple as that...will the juice (battery life) be worth the squeeze ($13k) to follow through on my purchase, for my riding type, etc. I love a lot of things about the bike so far, but the battery life remains the elephant in the room that I haven't seen anyone really address or put to bed....
Tin foil hats are for the ridiculous minded crazies who have equally ridiculous conspiracy theories. I’m not sure how deep the hole in the sand is that you’ve got your head in but I guess you’re in deep enough. You don’t pay much attention to world events I guess and do even less thinking about them. Ignorance is indeed bliss.
It definitely is!!
I do hope everyone reads it and stops and thinks. Almost every Stark buyer does not intend on giving up gas powered bikes. They are adding it to their collection. None of those customers want to see Kawasaki have ZERO gas bikes in their entire lineup in 12 years. Now realize Kawasaki has announced that this is a reality. That’s street and dirt. First I still think EV bikes are going to suck ass in the sand and mud. Second, I think everyone will be pissed at the subscription price it will cost to have all that adjustability that is touted. And the first time you have to replace the smashed iPhone device attached to your bars you’ll be wishing it was a top end you were paying for instead. I hope people forward my post to friends and say look at this crazy bastard. Because half of them will think. That’s what we need is people to think and just stop accepting. Hilarious that you think I’m some idiotic relic who just wants to avoid change though. I actually care a lot about this sport. If it takes a giant shit because of the direction it goes that’s not my fault and I don’t have to accept that it’s the same. Because it won’t be. It won’t be close to the same sport. When that happens you can laugh about the crazy bastard who posted about it on Vital 10 years before. I’ll be somewhere thinking how it was avoidable if not for people like you.
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