Stark Varg Reviews

wfopete wrote:

Just got done watching the 2 Stroke nats at Glen Helen. 

I would love to see what a 80hp Varg would do on that course. 

wfopete wrote:

Just got done watching the 2 Stroke nats at Glen Helen. 

I would love to see what a 80hp Varg would do on that course. 

theycallmeebryan wrote:

Hopefully in a few weeks you'll see a video of me flinging 80hp worth of electrons down the start straight and through talladega

Hopefully in a few weeks you'll see a video of me flinging 80hp worth of electrons down the start straight and through talladega

semifreeguy wrote:

Enjoy. But there is certainly something odd with your overzealous hyping of anything electric. 

theycallmeebryan wrote:

Thats your opinion and again, thats fine. Im not going to stop having fun on electric just because people cant understand why its fun or think...

Thats your opinion and again, thats fine. Im not going to stop having fun on electric just because people cant understand why its fun or think its not viable. You're not hurting my feelings. I actually wish you and others would just try one and see for yourself how much fun they are. Sure they arent perfect for everything, but for my use case, electric dirtbikes are absolutely viable and sound options and thats why ive owned 2 over the past 5 years, alongside owning gas bikes as well. I dont hate on people because they still ride 2 strokes or 4 strokes or drive diesel trucks. Let people buy and enjoy what they want and lets all coexist and have fun shredding dirtbikes, regardless of the method of getting that rear tire to spin. Vast majority of us posting on these forums are enthusiasts of riding, who cares how people enjoy it? 

#434 wrote:

But what’s the problem for you if you haven’t ordered one?

semifreeguy wrote:

There are many problems. They are way too expensive for an unproven bike. I have serious doubts about the range. I will never put a nonrefundable...

There are many problems. They are way too expensive for an unproven bike. I have serious doubts about the range. I will never put a nonrefundable deposit on a product that doesn't exist. I have no idea when or if I would ever get it. I have no idea if it is even a good bike. I like ICE engines. And I don't want to explode. Is that enough? 

Im not against electric and I know they will exist and have their place. Just way too many unknowns right now. 

 

#434 wrote:

That’s your reasons not to order one and that’s okay. At lot of people think differently, order one and that’s okay too. So what’s your point?

semifreeguy wrote:

There are many problems. They are way too expensive for an unproven bike. I have serious doubts about the range. I will never put a nonrefundable...

There are many problems. They are way too expensive for an unproven bike. I have serious doubts about the range. I will never put a nonrefundable deposit on a product that doesn't exist. I have no idea when or if I would ever get it. I have no idea if it is even a good bike. I like ICE engines. And I don't want to explode. Is that enough? 

Im not against electric and I know they will exist and have their place. Just way too many unknowns right now. 

 

#434 wrote:

That’s your reasons not to order one and that’s okay. At lot of people think differently, order one and that’s okay too. So what’s your point?

semifreeguy wrote:

You asked me why I haven't ordered one, I answered. 

Sandusky26 wrote:

I agree with everything. Gypsy asked Chad if he would have difficulty getting parts during covid when every manufacturer was having issues. Chad said nope we...

I agree with everything. Gypsy asked Chad if he would have difficulty getting parts during covid when every manufacturer was having issues. Chad said nope we are dialed.

Don't promise chicken salad when all you have is chicken shit.

sandtrack315 wrote:

It’s just so odd to root for a new type of motorcycle to fail. I want development and new technology in the sport. 

RaceFace232 wrote:

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability...

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability to use any vehicle that runs on gasoline.  And the ultimate success will require government interference.  I foresee not only the elimination of manufacturers being ALLOWED to sell new gas powered vehicles, but the banning of the use of the vehicles already owned.  Each purchase of an EV is a vote to do away with gas vehicles.  It’s also a vote against the sport you love.  I am one of an enormous segment of MX/off-road people who will never own an EV bike.  I also am not going to watch EV SX or EV MX.  The sport as a whole will take a tremendous hit financially once the EV has been fully forced upon us by the governments of the world.  As of now, that’s s target year of 2035.  Each EV bike purchase is an affirmation to these government bodies goals.  When I first saw that KTM was coming out with tge Freeride I thought it would be cool to have a silent bike.  Now with GM and Harley and Kawasaki ANNOUNCING they will not have a gas powered vehicle in their lineup by that year??  I’m fully in protest of this movement.  If you love MX and think that supporting the EV movement won’t drastically change the sport you love, you should think a little harder.  When there’s nothing but EV MX bikes available you will see an enormous drop in sales of MX bikes as people like me look for a different hobby.  You also might see SX with half empty (or more) stadiums, which could be the demise of SX if that can be imagined.  If the cost of putting on a SX race can’t be covered, they will cease to be put on.  The government wants you to embrace EV.  You want to hold hands with the government as a dirt bike fan?  Good luck with that.  They’d LOVE to outright ban dirt bikes period.  That they can’t do but if they can get all the dirt bikers to follow them into the EV black hole, that’s the next best thing.

sandtrack315 wrote:

It’s just so odd to root for a new type of motorcycle to fail. I want development and new technology in the sport. 

RaceFace232 wrote:

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability...

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability to use any vehicle that runs on gasoline.  And the ultimate success will require government interference.  I foresee not only the elimination of manufacturers being ALLOWED to sell new gas powered vehicles, but the banning of the use of the vehicles already owned.  Each purchase of an EV is a vote to do away with gas vehicles.  It’s also a vote against the sport you love.  I am one of an enormous segment of MX/off-road people who will never own an EV bike.  I also am not going to watch EV SX or EV MX.  The sport as a whole will take a tremendous hit financially once the EV has been fully forced upon us by the governments of the world.  As of now, that’s s target year of 2035.  Each EV bike purchase is an affirmation to these government bodies goals.  When I first saw that KTM was coming out with tge Freeride I thought it would be cool to have a silent bike.  Now with GM and Harley and Kawasaki ANNOUNCING they will not have a gas powered vehicle in their lineup by that year??  I’m fully in protest of this movement.  If you love MX and think that supporting the EV movement won’t drastically change the sport you love, you should think a little harder.  When there’s nothing but EV MX bikes available you will see an enormous drop in sales of MX bikes as people like me look for a different hobby.  You also might see SX with half empty (or more) stadiums, which could be the demise of SX if that can be imagined.  If the cost of putting on a SX race can’t be covered, they will cease to be put on.  The government wants you to embrace EV.  You want to hold hands with the government as a dirt bike fan?  Good luck with that.  They’d LOVE to outright ban dirt bikes period.  That they can’t do but if they can get all the dirt bikers to follow them into the EV black hole, that’s the next best thing.

Silas444 wrote:

EVERYONE - READ THIS DUDE'S POST ^ !!! Yo, SemiFreeGuy, I mean, not to gloat or anything, but was I fricken' right or was I fricken'...

EVERYONE - READ THIS DUDE'S POST ^ !!!

Yo, SemiFreeGuy, I mean, not to gloat or anything, but was I fricken' right or was I fricken' right?!!! But never mind my superior cerebral prescience, if you read this dude's post, there's no mistaking his mindset: the only way to keep the sport "pure" is to kill it off entirely, and he's happy to assist in doing exactly that. He freely admits that, eventually, if/when EV bikes become the norm, he won't ride, he won't buy a bike, he won't even watch a pro race from his sofa. He'd rather quit than stick his toes into the icky goo of evolution, and he's rooting for you to do the same. It's as clear as the driven snow. He's kinda like O.J. Simpson: he loves the sport almost too much, and so he has no choice but to stab it to death once it tries to assert it's independence from him.

His post expresses not one single iota of optimism about the future, not a single imagining of how things might actually get better and there might actually be MORE people riding/racing and MORE places to ride/race - he just draws a crystal-clear mental image of a dystopian future where no one is allowed to ride, and even if they could - they shouldn't.

So then, are ya with him? Do ya want moto dead and gone? Or not? 

Cobbler wrote:

I noticed on the youtube video that Bryan is asked like 3-4 times by different people how much battery was left and he wouldnt ever say...

I noticed on the youtube video that Bryan is asked like 3-4 times by different people how much battery was left and he wouldnt ever say. It was always "enough for more"

This whole thing feels like a scam. Dude, what percentage of the battery did it use? It's that simple. Answer the question. Instead, we see the words hardest packed track that's pretty low engine load and all of Stark's designated ball handlers running 24/7 damage control. I hope the bike is sick, but I can't wait for all the stark salt threads when the bike is telling you when to stop riding or start pushing. Even if the numbers aren't super flattering, just post some information and people like me will lay off.

crt32 wrote:

Serious question. How will you charge the bike in CA where they are banning the sale of gasoline generators? 

disbanded wrote:

Maybe if the same 5 people would stop posting even for one day this dumpster fire of a thread would drop off the top of the...

Maybe if the same 5 people would stop posting even for one day this dumpster fire of a thread would drop off the top of the page and we can all be happy again.

#434 wrote:

That’s your reasons not to order one and that’s okay. At lot of people think differently, order one and that’s okay too. So what’s your point?

semifreeguy wrote:

You asked me why I haven't ordered one, I answered. 

ns503 wrote:

No he didn't.

Interpreted: he said why is it such a big deal for you, if you haven't even ordered one.  

 

Cobbler wrote:

I noticed on the youtube video that Bryan is asked like 3-4 times by different people how much battery was left and he wouldnt ever say...

I noticed on the youtube video that Bryan is asked like 3-4 times by different people how much battery was left and he wouldnt ever say. It was always "enough for more"

This whole thing feels like a scam. Dude, what percentage of the battery did it use? It's that simple. Answer the question. Instead, we see the words hardest packed track that's pretty low engine load and all of Stark's designated ball handlers running 24/7 damage control. I hope the bike is sick, but I can't wait for all the stark salt threads when the bike is telling you when to stop riding or start pushing. Even if the numbers aren't super flattering, just post some information and people like me will lay off.

wfopete wrote:

  Even if I didn't have a dog in this fight I would be rooting for Stark to succeed; just to watch the response from the...

 

Even if I didn't have a dog in this fight I would be rooting for Stark to succeed; just to watch the response from the other manufacture's. 

RaceFace232 wrote:

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability...

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability to use any vehicle that runs on gasoline.  And the ultimate success will require government interference.  I foresee not only the elimination of manufacturers being ALLOWED to sell new gas powered vehicles, but the banning of the use of the vehicles already owned.  Each purchase of an EV is a vote to do away with gas vehicles.  It’s also a vote against the sport you love.  I am one of an enormous segment of MX/off-road people who will never own an EV bike.  I also am not going to watch EV SX or EV MX.  The sport as a whole will take a tremendous hit financially once the EV has been fully forced upon us by the governments of the world.  As of now, that’s s target year of 2035.  Each EV bike purchase is an affirmation to these government bodies goals.  When I first saw that KTM was coming out with tge Freeride I thought it would be cool to have a silent bike.  Now with GM and Harley and Kawasaki ANNOUNCING they will not have a gas powered vehicle in their lineup by that year??  I’m fully in protest of this movement.  If you love MX and think that supporting the EV movement won’t drastically change the sport you love, you should think a little harder.  When there’s nothing but EV MX bikes available you will see an enormous drop in sales of MX bikes as people like me look for a different hobby.  You also might see SX with half empty (or more) stadiums, which could be the demise of SX if that can be imagined.  If the cost of putting on a SX race can’t be covered, they will cease to be put on.  The government wants you to embrace EV.  You want to hold hands with the government as a dirt bike fan?  Good luck with that.  They’d LOVE to outright ban dirt bikes period.  That they can’t do but if they can get all the dirt bikers to follow them into the EV black hole, that’s the next best thing.

RaceFace232 wrote:

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability...

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability to use any vehicle that runs on gasoline.  And the ultimate success will require government interference.  I foresee not only the elimination of manufacturers being ALLOWED to sell new gas powered vehicles, but the banning of the use of the vehicles already owned.  Each purchase of an EV is a vote to do away with gas vehicles.  It’s also a vote against the sport you love.  I am one of an enormous segment of MX/off-road people who will never own an EV bike.  I also am not going to watch EV SX or EV MX.  The sport as a whole will take a tremendous hit financially once the EV has been fully forced upon us by the governments of the world.  As of now, that’s s target year of 2035.  Each EV bike purchase is an affirmation to these government bodies goals.  When I first saw that KTM was coming out with tge Freeride I thought it would be cool to have a silent bike.  Now with GM and Harley and Kawasaki ANNOUNCING they will not have a gas powered vehicle in their lineup by that year??  I’m fully in protest of this movement.  If you love MX and think that supporting the EV movement won’t drastically change the sport you love, you should think a little harder.  When there’s nothing but EV MX bikes available you will see an enormous drop in sales of MX bikes as people like me look for a different hobby.  You also might see SX with half empty (or more) stadiums, which could be the demise of SX if that can be imagined.  If the cost of putting on a SX race can’t be covered, they will cease to be put on.  The government wants you to embrace EV.  You want to hold hands with the government as a dirt bike fan?  Good luck with that.  They’d LOVE to outright ban dirt bikes period.  That they can’t do but if they can get all the dirt bikers to follow them into the EV black hole, that’s the next best thing.

zehn wrote:

Sounds like you’re making shit up and then getting really butthurt about it 

RaceFace232 wrote:

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability...

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability to use any vehicle that runs on gasoline.  And the ultimate success will require government interference.  I foresee not only the elimination of manufacturers being ALLOWED to sell new gas powered vehicles, but the banning of the use of the vehicles already owned.  Each purchase of an EV is a vote to do away with gas vehicles.  It’s also a vote against the sport you love.  I am one of an enormous segment of MX/off-road people who will never own an EV bike.  I also am not going to watch EV SX or EV MX.  The sport as a whole will take a tremendous hit financially once the EV has been fully forced upon us by the governments of the world.  As of now, that’s s target year of 2035.  Each EV bike purchase is an affirmation to these government bodies goals.  When I first saw that KTM was coming out with tge Freeride I thought it would be cool to have a silent bike.  Now with GM and Harley and Kawasaki ANNOUNCING they will not have a gas powered vehicle in their lineup by that year??  I’m fully in protest of this movement.  If you love MX and think that supporting the EV movement won’t drastically change the sport you love, you should think a little harder.  When there’s nothing but EV MX bikes available you will see an enormous drop in sales of MX bikes as people like me look for a different hobby.  You also might see SX with half empty (or more) stadiums, which could be the demise of SX if that can be imagined.  If the cost of putting on a SX race can’t be covered, they will cease to be put on.  The government wants you to embrace EV.  You want to hold hands with the government as a dirt bike fan?  Good luck with that.  They’d LOVE to outright ban dirt bikes period.  That they can’t do but if they can get all the dirt bikers to follow them into the EV black hole, that’s the next best thing.

zehn wrote:

Sounds like you’re making shit up and then getting really butthurt about it 

Sandusky26 wrote:

I agree with everything. Gypsy asked Chad if he would have difficulty getting parts during covid when every manufacturer was having issues. Chad said nope we...

I agree with everything. Gypsy asked Chad if he would have difficulty getting parts during covid when every manufacturer was having issues. Chad said nope we are dialed.

Don't promise chicken salad when all you have is chicken shit.

sandtrack315 wrote:

It’s just so odd to root for a new type of motorcycle to fail. I want development and new technology in the sport. 

RaceFace232 wrote:

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability...

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability to use any vehicle that runs on gasoline.  And the ultimate success will require government interference.  I foresee not only the elimination of manufacturers being ALLOWED to sell new gas powered vehicles, but the banning of the use of the vehicles already owned.  Each purchase of an EV is a vote to do away with gas vehicles.  It’s also a vote against the sport you love.  I am one of an enormous segment of MX/off-road people who will never own an EV bike.  I also am not going to watch EV SX or EV MX.  The sport as a whole will take a tremendous hit financially once the EV has been fully forced upon us by the governments of the world.  As of now, that’s s target year of 2035.  Each EV bike purchase is an affirmation to these government bodies goals.  When I first saw that KTM was coming out with tge Freeride I thought it would be cool to have a silent bike.  Now with GM and Harley and Kawasaki ANNOUNCING they will not have a gas powered vehicle in their lineup by that year??  I’m fully in protest of this movement.  If you love MX and think that supporting the EV movement won’t drastically change the sport you love, you should think a little harder.  When there’s nothing but EV MX bikes available you will see an enormous drop in sales of MX bikes as people like me look for a different hobby.  You also might see SX with half empty (or more) stadiums, which could be the demise of SX if that can be imagined.  If the cost of putting on a SX race can’t be covered, they will cease to be put on.  The government wants you to embrace EV.  You want to hold hands with the government as a dirt bike fan?  Good luck with that.  They’d LOVE to outright ban dirt bikes period.  That they can’t do but if they can get all the dirt bikers to follow them into the EV black hole, that’s the next best thing.

Cobbler wrote:

I noticed on the youtube video that Bryan is asked like 3-4 times by different people how much battery was left and he wouldnt ever say...

I noticed on the youtube video that Bryan is asked like 3-4 times by different people how much battery was left and he wouldnt ever say. It was always "enough for more"

This whole thing feels like a scam. Dude, what percentage of the battery did it use? It's that simple. Answer the question. Instead, we see the words hardest packed track that's pretty low engine load and all of Stark's designated ball handlers running 24/7 damage control. I hope the bike is sick, but I can't wait for all the stark salt threads when the bike is telling you when to stop riding or start pushing. Even if the numbers aren't super flattering, just post some information and people like me will lay off.

theycallmeebryan wrote:

I didnt actually look at the state of charge after this session. I did this session followed by several rips in 80hp mode and the bike...

I didnt actually look at the state of charge after this session. I did this session followed by several rips in 80hp mode and the bike didnt skip a beat. Cant answer because id be guessing in this particular case.... its as simple as that dude. In fact, in all of my riding out there i never once ran out of battery or had the bike limit power on me in any way. Take that for what its worth.

In my recap video i did a battery range test. Its currently rendering and will be posted on youtube in a day or two. 

Id rather people just watch the video as it took me a massive amount of effort to put together and id rather not answer the same individual question many times over when its covered in the video.

Goldmember wrote:

No. There is a huge political, and woke ideological component, to the unnecessary head long rush for electrification. We have to keep that aspect out of...

No.

There is a huge political, and woke ideological component, to the unnecessary head long rush for electrification.

We have to keep that aspect out of the discussions here.

Cobbler wrote:

I noticed on the youtube video that Bryan is asked like 3-4 times by different people how much battery was left and he wouldnt ever say...

I noticed on the youtube video that Bryan is asked like 3-4 times by different people how much battery was left and he wouldnt ever say. It was always "enough for more"

This whole thing feels like a scam. Dude, what percentage of the battery did it use? It's that simple. Answer the question. Instead, we see the words hardest packed track that's pretty low engine load and all of Stark's designated ball handlers running 24/7 damage control. I hope the bike is sick, but I can't wait for all the stark salt threads when the bike is telling you when to stop riding or start pushing. Even if the numbers aren't super flattering, just post some information and people like me will lay off.

theycallmeebryan wrote:

I didnt actually look at the state of charge after this session. I did this session followed by several rips in 80hp mode and the bike...

I didnt actually look at the state of charge after this session. I did this session followed by several rips in 80hp mode and the bike didnt skip a beat. Cant answer because id be guessing in this particular case.... its as simple as that dude. In fact, in all of my riding out there i never once ran out of battery or had the bike limit power on me in any way. Take that for what its worth.

In my recap video i did a battery range test. Its currently rendering and will be posted on youtube in a day or two. 

Id rather people just watch the video as it took me a massive amount of effort to put together and id rather not answer the same individual question many times over when its covered in the video.

sandtrack315 wrote:

It’s just so odd to root for a new type of motorcycle to fail. I want development and new technology in the sport. 

RaceFace232 wrote:

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability...

I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability to use any vehicle that runs on gasoline.  And the ultimate success will require government interference.  I foresee not only the elimination of manufacturers being ALLOWED to sell new gas powered vehicles, but the banning of the use of the vehicles already owned.  Each purchase of an EV is a vote to do away with gas vehicles.  It’s also a vote against the sport you love.  I am one of an enormous segment of MX/off-road people who will never own an EV bike.  I also am not going to watch EV SX or EV MX.  The sport as a whole will take a tremendous hit financially once the EV has been fully forced upon us by the governments of the world.  As of now, that’s s target year of 2035.  Each EV bike purchase is an affirmation to these government bodies goals.  When I first saw that KTM was coming out with tge Freeride I thought it would be cool to have a silent bike.  Now with GM and Harley and Kawasaki ANNOUNCING they will not have a gas powered vehicle in their lineup by that year??  I’m fully in protest of this movement.  If you love MX and think that supporting the EV movement won’t drastically change the sport you love, you should think a little harder.  When there’s nothing but EV MX bikes available you will see an enormous drop in sales of MX bikes as people like me look for a different hobby.  You also might see SX with half empty (or more) stadiums, which could be the demise of SX if that can be imagined.  If the cost of putting on a SX race can’t be covered, they will cease to be put on.  The government wants you to embrace EV.  You want to hold hands with the government as a dirt bike fan?  Good luck with that.  They’d LOVE to outright ban dirt bikes period.  That they can’t do but if they can get all the dirt bikers to follow them into the EV black hole, that’s the next best thing.

DrinkMoreWater wrote:

I absolutely agree to resist EV's (cars) people don't understand what the implications are here with cars being EV and the number one thing in jeopardy...

I absolutely agree to resist EV's (cars) people don't understand what the implications are here with cars being EV and the number one thing in jeopardy is freedom of movement.

However I do believe there is room for E-Moto's but it does cross-over to what you are against and I respect that.

Goldmember wrote:

No. There is a huge political, and woke ideological component, to the unnecessary head long rush for electrification. We have to keep that aspect out of...

No.

There is a huge political, and woke ideological component, to the unnecessary head long rush for electrification.

We have to keep that aspect out of the discussions here.

#434 wrote:

You realize that nobody brought that aspect up, but you!?