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I get what you are saying, but if I’m on a dirt bike and see horses coming up the trail I stop and shut the bike off until they pass. If I’m on a bicycle I will stop and wait as well. It’s not a bow to them thing, it’s a respect thing for me and I know how easily some horses can spook. Tend to earn a lot more respect from horse folks because of it and they don’t complain about me riding my dirt bikes.
It always pays off being respectful to EVERYONE on the trail. Unless of course they don't share the respect. Then hit them with the limiter.
I know that dude you're talking about, kinda looks a bit like a hipster hippy and not your typical "horse guy" lol? He's cool to me too
Regarding the horse people, ignoring them and going around in the bush is not the cool thing to do. As much as we may not like it, horses always have the right of way to hikers and bikers alike. One spook can throw someone off and cause serious injury. My mother in law is an avid equestrian and being around her horses I see how even the most even-keeled and mellow horses can spook at the weirdest shit. Next time, just stop the bike and give them a hello and ask if its OK to pass. They always appreciate that and are usually respectful back.
Back to the topic about e-motos...i think the SurRon deal is WAY more of a threat than Stark simply due to cost. I'm seeing those things everywhere and now with that supposed "street legal" SurRon Ultra Bee they will probably only increase in numbers
Yep, I saw that. I believe that one has been modified with a 21” front and 18” rear (it comes with a 19” front and rear). Looks fun and there’s a fast growing supply of hop up parts for these.
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The way they integrate the seat and the plastics into the Varg overall design looks pretty sweet:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CqpXHGDhkPU/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
And if somebody still thinks that the bikes shown are prototypes.. look at the fit and finish of the bike in the post, the injection molded parts and everything. Quality of the production parts looks top notch!
Yes, the design of the plastics is pretty incredible. 7 bolts and the entire shroud+seat+side plates+rear fender slide off the back of the bike in one piece. Will make cleaning and servicing super quick and easy. Also, there's an air tunnel that directs airflow from the front of the bike back to the radiator that cools the inverter + motor.
A rare occurrence, but can you imagine if they all had been on electric bikes?
Are you kidding me?
The shrouds, side plates, and rear fender are all 1 piece of plastic? So dumb. Break the rear fender and now I have to buy the new shrouds, plates and fender plastic piece AND all new graphics and numbers just to fix my rear fender?...unbelievable. This just keeps getting better. That $60 fix of a rear fender and fender graphic is now $100 in plastic + $150-250 full graphics kit.
edit: The rear fender is actually 2 pieces...smfh.
Most of these e-bikes aren’t meant to replace gas mx bikes, and are still in the pit bike category.
Neat from an engineering perspective.
In the here & now though, folks sometime break plastics, the shipping costs alone for that giant thing .. !!
& How does one change out that seat cover ? Is the seat bolted to the plastic & can be removed ?
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PW50 style plastic...the pw only uses 2 bolts though..
Now, from the brand ambassador, detailed Stark engineering commentary, possibly sent from a shitter in Rome. Very good.
Don't mention that delivery elephant in the room though.
No... they are individual pieces that connect together and can be removed as a single unit. Its actually really awesome. The whole unit together bolts to the frame with 7 bolts.
Deposit is non refundable. Sounds like a "contracted purchaser" to me.
That bear just wanted his deposit back.
Easier to throw in the trash.
I'm just going to leave this here (with no comment): Stefan Pierer On KTM's New Building And More - Racer X (racerxonline.com)
I don't think he's alone in thinking they're a good option for short commuting distances, and that's about it.
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I've said previously that I have one on order, and I hope they are amazing. However....until they're in the wild, with real-world owners putting them through the ringer, I reserve a healthy level of skepticism as to the actual battery life.
Have you seen, on RacerX there is a new interview about KTMs new HQ, much of the last part of the article is about their view on electric. It doesn't paint a good picture on E-dirtbikes, he basically says, they won't last 30min+2.
Now, is that because KTM ow lagging behind or...?
Now, if I understand correctly he is positive for less powerful bikes, up to 125cc
What makes him the expert on E bikes?
Technology moves too fast to make a statement like that. I never thought I would see ev's with a range of over 300 miles. Let alone an ev truck. Remember when the first ev's wouldn't get 200 miles, some barely 100?
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But more importantly, why would he paint a rosy picture of ebikes when they only have the aging e-ride playbike in their lineup? The second they launch a newer version of it, he will be beating the drum of "the future/expanding the sport".
Don't take this personally, but that's a pretty flippant statement about someone who is arguably leading the best combined on/offroad motorcycle company on earth with respect to pushing the technological edge. The KTM group has some of the best talent on earth for pushing motorcycle development (and the powerplant technology that propels them).
Like I've said previously, I hope Stark can back up their claims - I have at least 6 months of other customers' deliveries and reviews to scour over before I pull the trigger on mine. If their battery life just doesn't cut the mustard I'll decline mine, of course.
Real world results matter a lot more than marketing claims and even laboratory tests....
But I suspect it is just as much a long term marketing/brand strategy, as much as it is an engineering one.
One of the things KTM has been excellent at (and which the Japanese manufacturers have been tonedeaf toward) is recognizing the culture of the customer base as a whole. The focus on two strokes, the focus on minis, the focus off road bikes are all places where you see it.
There is excitement over the potential of ebikes, but it is obvious that there is also genuine resentment/consternation in the dirt bike base. KTM is taking a smart path by focusing on small displacements first and working their way up. That kid who grew up on an E50 (and later probably an E65) isn't gonna be "my ICE over my dead body" in 15+ years. Some of their fondest memories will be of their electric bikes.
The bottom line for Pit, and KTM is the same conundrum that Stark is probably facing.
With current best battery technology if they make a bike that can do a 30 plus 2 with a sight lap and a red flag restart it will be so heavy and bulky it will not be competitive, and so expensive it will not be saleable.
And that assumes that the battery cooling can be arranged so the battery doesn't overheat. The Energica MotoE bike has a split cooling system and the radiator used for the battery- which runs fully immersed cells and at around 50C max- is as large as the unit on a similar power ICE bike. The controller runs at a much higher temperature and gets it's own coolant system.
I imagine the requirements aren't really as stiff as you'd think, and most riders in mx don't actually spend a lot of time in the high efficiency zone of a 450 curve. Probably as much time braking or closed throttle for even a local A rider. In fact, that's why 4Ts took over: better output outside of peak efficiency area.
Most of us not named Tomac are probably running ICE bikes very inefficiently, and still not using much more than half a tank of fuel in a moto.
Why are you so angry?
Did you get electrocuted as a child and hate anything that's electric?
This guy had a pretty good time on his E-moto. Theres a spot for them alongside traditional gas bikes.
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/electric-bikes/first-full-sized-electric…
Remember when the EV trucks that "get 300 miles" don't in real life? lol
"snowbird on internet says CEO of massive company isn't qualified to comment on industry he is leading"
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