Tomac Vs. Webb

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toomanykaws 3/30/2023 1:13pm
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RC won 3 125 outdoor titles.  Then 7 250/450 titles.   Don’t believe anyone has ever won more than three smaller bike Mx titles.  RV also has three.    Won’t be the same when ET3 retires.  Just like when RV retired.   

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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

If it was a given, how do you explain 2020?

PB729 wrote:
I've always thought it was because he was not happy with, or not comfortable on his bike. The fact that he went to Yamaha and was...

I've always thought it was because he was not happy with, or not comfortable on his bike. The fact that he went to Yamaha and was allowed to change what he wanted...and then won both championships seems to add some credibility to that theory? 

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Well he was comfortable enough with the bike and Team in April/May to wrap up the 2020 SX title, then all of a sudden not comfortable...

Well he was comfortable enough with the bike and Team in April/May to wrap up the 2020 SX title, then all of a sudden not comfortable?!

the stress of the 2020 SX season wore him down. 
 

all I’m saying is I can see it wearing on him again this year.
 

 

Double moto DNFs at one round put him way back.  Seems like he was pretty soured on the Kawasaki relationship by 2020.  

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toomanykaws wrote:
RC won 3 125 outdoor titles.  Then 7 250/450 titles.   Don’t believe anyone has ever won more than three smaller bike Mx titles.  RV also...

RC won 3 125 outdoor titles.  Then 7 250/450 titles.   Don’t believe anyone has ever won more than three smaller bike Mx titles.  RV also has three.    Won’t be the same when ET3 retires.  Just like when RV retired.   

Opps, I had the titles wrong. Thanks for the correction. 

 

But yeah, RC was something else entirely. 

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Feel free to send me out on a long walk on a short pier, but I think you still have to allow for the possibility, scarce as it might be, for 23, 94 or 21 to also win the '23 SX title.

Because it ain't over 'till it's over.

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Feel free to send me out on a long walk on a short pier, but I think you still have to allow for the possibility, scarce...

Feel free to send me out on a long walk on a short pier, but I think you still have to allow for the possibility, scarce as it might be, for 23, 94 or 21 to also win the '23 SX title.

Because it ain't over 'till it's over.

Mathematically yes. Realistically ... not so much. 

I think you could MAYBE say 23 as he has shown the speed to run with/run down anyone. But he is 22 points down. So uphill for sure. I think it would take injuries from 2 & 3 & 23  to have either 21 or 94 to win this title

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Cobbler wrote:

genuine question, why is that laughable? I'm not neck deep in stats but from my perspective it seems pretty realistic to say he is.

Kevin852 wrote:
Better? Than RC?    RC NEVER lost an outdoor title. in 10 years. Think abut that for a second. And even if Eli won SX and...

Better? Than RC? 

 

RC NEVER lost an outdoor title. in 10 years. Think abut that for a second.

And even if Eli won SX and MX this year he is still not on even ground when it comes to titles.

 

Cobbler wrote:

He really won 10 straight outdoor titles? I know its some 'lites' and then onto premier but is that foreal? 

Carmichael Motocross Results

Ignore the 26th. That's because he dropped down for 1 race in the 125 class. 

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Maverick313 3/30/2023 4:31pm
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Midwest Moto Fan wrote:

I’d bet $1000 Tomac wins the title. Webb is really great but Tomac is goat 2.0

Chris_Buehler wrote:

I'm not sure you know what the whole "2.0" phrase means. That would infer he's better than RC which is laughable

Cobbler wrote:

genuine question, why is that laughable? I'm not neck deep in stats but from my perspective it seems pretty realistic to say he is.

ET still needs to pass MC, RV and Dungey in titles to be close to RC.

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Kevin852 wrote:
Better? Than RC?    RC NEVER lost an outdoor title. in 10 years. Think abut that for a second. And even if Eli won SX and...

Better? Than RC? 

 

RC NEVER lost an outdoor title. in 10 years. Think abut that for a second.

And even if Eli won SX and MX this year he is still not on even ground when it comes to titles.

 

Cobbler wrote:

He really won 10 straight outdoor titles? I know its some 'lites' and then onto premier but is that foreal? 

-MAVERICK- wrote:
Carmichael Motocross Results Ignore the 26th. That's because he dropped down for 1 race in the 125 class. 

Carmichael Motocross Results

Ignore the 26th. That's because he dropped down for 1 race in the 125 class. 

image-20230330191302-1

Only raced half of 07 and still in the top ten overall...

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Cobbler wrote:

He really won 10 straight outdoor titles? I know its some 'lites' and then onto premier but is that foreal? 

-MAVERICK- wrote:
Carmichael Motocross Results Ignore the 26th. That's because he dropped down for 1 race in the 125 class. 

Carmichael Motocross Results

Ignore the 26th. That's because he dropped down for 1 race in the 125 class. 

image-20230330191302-1

Timo wrote:

Only raced half of 07 and still in the top ten overall...

He did 6 races and won every overall. 

He won all but 3 motos where he finished 2nd. 

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no matter the stats and speed.. we should all know by now to never count out Webb. love him or hate him, he is the only guy that id hate to be battling a title for. 

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youngskywalker wrote:

I hope they are within two points going into Salt Lake City.  Winner takes all.  

And they both start out one and two. That would be the sickest.

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zehn 3/30/2023 7:55pm
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Why are you guys arguing about RC in a Webb vs. Tomac thread lmao

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decano51 wrote:
no matter the stats and speed.. we should all know by now to never count out Webb. love him or hate him, he is the only...

no matter the stats and speed.. we should all know by now to never count out Webb. love him or hate him, he is the only guy that id hate to be battling a title for. 

To bad Webb can't bring his sneaky stroll to MX.  Hes gonna be a SX only guy after this year.

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decano51 wrote:
no matter the stats and speed.. we should all know by now to never count out Webb. love him or hate him, he is the only...

no matter the stats and speed.. we should all know by now to never count out Webb. love him or hate him, he is the only guy that id hate to be battling a title for. 

southeast wrote:

To bad Webb can't bring his sneaky stroll to MX.  Hes gonna be a SX only guy after this year.

RC4 & CR22 all over again

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decano51 wrote:
no matter the stats and speed.. we should all know by now to never count out Webb. love him or hate him, he is the only...

no matter the stats and speed.. we should all know by now to never count out Webb. love him or hate him, he is the only guy that id hate to be battling a title for. 

southeast wrote:

To bad Webb can't bring his sneaky stroll to MX.  Hes gonna be a SX only guy after this year.

Nope. Webb wants redemption at the desNations. He's going to up the stakes outdoors this year. 

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davistld01 4/1/2023 10:22am
4/1/2023 10:22am Edited Date/Time 4/1/2023 10:25am

No disrespect meant...but I think Cooper lets little shit get to him a bit more than Eli does. Let each of them have a "bad race" in these few rounds that are left...and see who bounces back the quickest. IMO...it won't be Webb.

 

...but I ain't betting $1000.

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davistld01 wrote:
No disrespect meant...but I think Cooper lets little shit get to him a bit more than Eli does. Let each of them have a "bad race"...

No disrespect meant...but I think Cooper lets little shit get to him a bit more than Eli does. Let each of them have a "bad race" in these few rounds that are left...and see who bounces back the quickest. IMO...it won't be Webb.

 

...but I ain't betting $1000.

Gonna have to disagree, at least when Webb is on a roll and has high confidence, whereas Eli sometimes lets thing stall his progress forward in races 

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kpiper 4/2/2023 8:44am
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Eli has more speed than Webb...when he feels ok. So it will be interesting. Tomac can't have another 'off' race (6th-7th-8th) now. Webb was simply disappointed as he thought he had Eli...Eli said, 'nope' and turned it up a notch. Eli has that ability.

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CDA331 4/2/2023 9:52am
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Tomac will win the Supercross championship, and Webb won’t even be a factor outdoors. He will be a minute back with Roczen in 5th and 6th while Tomac, Sexton, Lawrence and Ferrandis are all up front. He’ll actually be lucky to crack the top 5 as I suspect that’ll be Anderson’s. 

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