Brand new 250f is oddly slow?

I will preface this by saying I'm not very savvy in the bike maintenance department so I really have no idea what's going on. I've been riding 250fs for about 8 years and the one I just bought seems off.. *YES I did put it on the aggressive map*

 

I've just recently bought a 2023 yz250f, broke it in for a few hours on some trails, changed oil and filters, and took it to the track. The very first thing I noticed, is the bike feels oddly slow? I noticed this after watching a guy with the exact same bike as me grease this uphill triple with 0 issue, no seat bounce, didn't hit the turn that quick, just easily made it over. Now, when I go for it, I'm hitting the corner as fast as I possibly can, shifting to 4th and I'm literally riding the throttle stop screaming all the way up the face and give it a huge huck off the lip and I'm not even clearing the jump. I only weigh 175, and the bike is literally brand new? I also noticed the bike would backfire when under deceleration when going down the hills, don't really know if that's relevant or not. I'm your average local B rider, not insanely fast but I can tell the difference between a fault in the bike and me just sucking. 

 

Anybody ever experience something similar and what was the fix? I'm completely confident it's the bike, I even went out of my way to take my 2021 kx250 to the same track and I was hitting the triple easily. 

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3/7/2023 9:16pm

I'm not 100% sure. But the Yamaha doesn't have a preset "aggressive map". You have been on the tuner and changed the timing and fuel? To what some1 has posted online.

Maybe you fucked that up or some1 posted a dodgey map. Reset it to all 0 on the app. And go ride it. 

That would be the 1st thing I do.

Back firing would be a sign of bad fuel/ air mixture.

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3/7/2023 9:21pm
mx313 wrote:
I'm not 100% sure. But the Yamaha doesn't have a preset "aggressive map". You have been on the tuner and changed the timing and fuel? To...

I'm not 100% sure. But the Yamaha doesn't have a preset "aggressive map". You have been on the tuner and changed the timing and fuel? To what some1 has posted online.

Maybe you fucked that up or some1 posted a dodgey map. Reset it to all 0 on the app. And go ride it. 

That would be the 1st thing I do.

Back firing would be a sign of bad fuel/ air mixture.

By aggressive map, I mean the map that comes in the tuner by default called "hard hitting". I had the same issue with the stock map, I only went to the hard hitting map because the first time I tried to hit the triple I almost broke my legs. 

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3/7/2023 9:39pm

I hate to be THAT guy here, but you're saying local average B rider....and hitting a jump wide open in 4th? You understand guys are hitting jumps like Larocco's Leap probably at the top of 3rd or maybe clicking 4th on the ramp.

You say you're experienced, and I believe you, but if the whole wide open in 4th thing is true, then yeah I'd say something is wrong with that bike. 

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3/7/2023 9:50pm
I hate to be THAT guy here, but you're saying local average B rider....and hitting a jump wide open in 4th? You understand guys are hitting...

I hate to be THAT guy here, but you're saying local average B rider....and hitting a jump wide open in 4th? You understand guys are hitting jumps like Larocco's Leap probably at the top of 3rd or maybe clicking 4th on the ramp.

You say you're experienced, and I believe you, but if the whole wide open in 4th thing is true, then yeah I'd say something is wrong with that bike. 

Yeah that's kinda my entire point man. I'm trying to see if anybody has had any issues with brand new bikes being strangely slower than expected, and what it could possibly be. Like I said, I am 100% positive it's the bike, I just don't know why.

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3/7/2023 10:43pm
mx313 wrote:
I'm not 100% sure. But the Yamaha doesn't have a preset "aggressive map". You have been on the tuner and changed the timing and fuel? To...

I'm not 100% sure. But the Yamaha doesn't have a preset "aggressive map". You have been on the tuner and changed the timing and fuel? To what some1 has posted online.

Maybe you fucked that up or some1 posted a dodgey map. Reset it to all 0 on the app. And go ride it. 

That would be the 1st thing I do.

Back firing would be a sign of bad fuel/ air mixture.

I read something about that in MXA last month...I think both maps are the same from the factory....one of MXAs complaints.    

 

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3/8/2023 3:02am

Take the shop rag out of the air box, or you’re just not as fast as you think you are 🤷‍♂️

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3/8/2023 3:49am

Don’t quote me on Yamaha specifically, but engines are typically dyno’ed at the factory and have to be within a certain parameter before they can move on. With that said, my buddy and I both bought ktm 450’s at the same time and his hit like a bear off the bottom and signed off early and mine was smooth off the bottom and revved out far so there are differences in new bikes 

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3/8/2023 5:15am

Take it to the dealer and tell them your KX250 easily clears the jump and the YZ won't make it at all. I think they do get dyno'ed at the factory so it should have pulled power there but something may have gone wrong in ECU, injector (could be anywhere in the fuel system), coil, maybe crank position sensor, etc.

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3/8/2023 5:31am

I bought into all the yz250f hype and was extremely disappointed, it may be the way you ride. Yamahas fall off hard up top. I like to ring bikes out and ride them like 2 strokes. I rode an Austrian 250 and it felt a ton faster, and after looking at the Dyno charts and seeing it puts out 2rwhp more and over 1ftlb of torque aswell it made sense. Try one of those maybe =\ .The yz250f best motor nonsense is just something people say

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3/8/2023 5:48am

If you’re actually on the limiter in 4th, then something is wrong with that bike. I’ve hit some big jumps in my time, and while I’ve been wide open in 4th, never been on the limiter. 

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3/8/2023 5:54am

Have a friend that is faster than you ride it and see what they think.

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3/8/2023 5:55am

Clutch slipping?

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3/8/2023 6:12am

Long shot here but have you checked for a banana in the tailpipe?

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3/8/2023 6:41am
soggy wrote:

Clutch slipping?

I was going to ask the same question…the backfire is weird though…

Let the dude jumping the jump (or some other fast guy) ride it and see what he says about it….

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3/8/2023 7:11am

If it were my bike, I’d check the obvious (clutch slipping, return map setting to default etc) and pay to have it dyno’d. You’re in So Cal so there are plenty of reputable tuners who have dyno history of your bike. It would bug the crap out of me if the bike was a turd out of the box. I do believe you that something is off. Just my two cents. 

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3/8/2023 7:27am

Have you tried 5th gear?

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3/8/2023 7:51am

Dyno it, or you will constantly question it forever.  The bike is now in your head.  

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3/8/2023 8:10am
If you’re actually on the limiter in 4th, then something is wrong with that bike. I’ve hit some big jumps in my time, and while I’ve...

If you’re actually on the limiter in 4th, then something is wrong with that bike. I’ve hit some big jumps in my time, and while I’ve been wide open in 4th, never been on the limiter. 

I'm 190 pounds and the top of 3rd on my CRF gets me over mostly anything I want to jump. 

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3/8/2023 8:12am

What fuel are you using?  My buddies YZ250F backfired/popped a lot until he switched from VP to Sunoco 50/50 mix with pump.

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3/8/2023 8:50am

Didn’t I just read how new Yamaha’s come with the exact same map in each switch position.  Until you update it, both maps are the exact same

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3/8/2023 9:09am

Could be gearing too short ? 

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3/8/2023 9:09am

I've had a bike jump a tooth on the cam timing a couple times. I run manual tensioners now. 

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3/8/2023 10:02am

Blown out clutch makes sense, but not given the age of the bike and the decel popping. 

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3/8/2023 10:09am
If you’re actually on the limiter in 4th, then something is wrong with that bike. I’ve hit some big jumps in my time, and while I’ve...

If you’re actually on the limiter in 4th, then something is wrong with that bike. I’ve hit some big jumps in my time, and while I’ve been wide open in 4th, never been on the limiter. 

“and I'm literally riding the throttle stop screaming all the way up the face “

I’m Not sure if he is saying bogging in a higher gear going up the hill but throttle is WFO or if he is actually at higher revs.

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3/8/2023 10:12am
If you’re actually on the limiter in 4th, then something is wrong with that bike. I’ve hit some big jumps in my time, and while I’ve...

If you’re actually on the limiter in 4th, then something is wrong with that bike. I’ve hit some big jumps in my time, and while I’ve been wide open in 4th, never been on the limiter. 

lumpy790 wrote:
“and I'm literally riding the throttle stop screaming all the way up the face “ I’m Not sure if he is saying bogging in a higher...

“and I'm literally riding the throttle stop screaming all the way up the face “

I’m Not sure if he is saying bogging in a higher gear going up the hill but throttle is WFO or if he is actually at higher revs.

I tried to hit it in 3rd wide, not even close, so I moved to 4th and got a lot closer, but still not clearing it. WFO as in I literally had the throttle turned all the way the entire way up the jump in 4th gear, I was no lower than 85% through 4th gear in terms of RPMs

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3/8/2023 10:14am

Could be gearing too short ? 

I thought this too but I disregarded it considering I was clearing the same jump on a kx250f in 3rd. Can't be that huge of a difference

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3/8/2023 10:15am
Dhallmark wrote:

What fuel are you using?  My buddies YZ250F backfired/popped a lot until he switched from VP to Sunoco 50/50 mix with pump.

I just run 91 from the pump. Always have

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3/8/2023 10:23am
mx313 wrote:
I'm not 100% sure. But the Yamaha doesn't have a preset "aggressive map". You have been on the tuner and changed the timing and fuel? To...

I'm not 100% sure. But the Yamaha doesn't have a preset "aggressive map". You have been on the tuner and changed the timing and fuel? To what some1 has posted online.

Maybe you fucked that up or some1 posted a dodgey map. Reset it to all 0 on the app. And go ride it. 

That would be the 1st thing I do.

Back firing would be a sign of bad fuel/ air mixture.

Magoofan wrote:

I read something about that in MXA last month...I think both maps are the same from the factory....one of MXAs complaints.    

 

Found it in the online version of March 2023 MXA....

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3/8/2023 10:25am

I'll be the a-hole again here, something isn't adding up man.

If there was something THAT dramatically wrong with that bike, where you can ride your other bike back-to-back and still be iffy enough to be "wondering what's wrong" there's some misinformation here. 

In my area local B riders are legit dudes, not guys talking about hitting jumps wide open in 4th gear.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I'm just saying if you are looking for legitimate help, you're probably not going to get it with this explanation of how things are going down.

I've jumped the Fly 150 (it's gone, sadly) on a practice day....on a 250F (not mine)....in 3rd gear. If you're used to hitting some jump wide open in 3rd and you aren't making it, I find it hard to buy the whole "so I just hit it wide in 4th"

Jumps that big ruin lives man lol. In my experience it's usually not a litmus test for how a bike is running. But whatever I'm just an old washed up guy. 

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3/8/2023 10:31am
I'll be the a-hole again here, something isn't adding up man. If there was something THAT dramatically wrong with that bike, where you can ride your...

I'll be the a-hole again here, something isn't adding up man.

If there was something THAT dramatically wrong with that bike, where you can ride your other bike back-to-back and still be iffy enough to be "wondering what's wrong" there's some misinformation here. 

In my area local B riders are legit dudes, not guys talking about hitting jumps wide open in 4th gear.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I'm just saying if you are looking for legitimate help, you're probably not going to get it with this explanation of how things are going down.

I've jumped the Fly 150 (it's gone, sadly) on a practice day....on a 250F (not mine)....in 3rd gear. If you're used to hitting some jump wide open in 3rd and you aren't making it, I find it hard to buy the whole "so I just hit it wide in 4th"

Jumps that big ruin lives man lol. In my experience it's usually not a litmus test for how a bike is running. But whatever I'm just an old washed up guy. 

The jump isn't even big, it's just very steep and tall. It's probably like only 50 feet long distance wise. My point is the bike is losing power somehow and I'm trying to get some guys with knowledge to shoot off some possible issues. I'm not asking you guys to solve my issue, I'm just looking for places to start. 

 

I'd also like to point out that you're definitely overestimating the power of a stock 250f. They are not really that fast at all, my new one just feels even slower than normal. Side note, I simply don't believe you hit the fly 150 in 3rd, sorry not sorry at all. 

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