Brayton vs Weege response to caller question on TV broadcast

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Listening to this weeks Pulp show, found it interesting the difference between JBs answer/comment to callers question about broadcast vs Weege.  WEege was defensive and pretty much said it can't get better.  Spotters are looking for action, himself many times, and you "can't predict what's going to happen."  Sounds eerily similar to DCs comments about Bondo, there is no one more capable...You could tell JB didn't want to ruffle feathers but at least he did comment that "improvements could be made."  Steve was also very defensive of the broadcast.  He jabs JT, Blair and others on "selling out" while at the same time you can tell he was being careful to toll the company line.  Was just curious if my take was similar to what others gathered from that interaction with the caller or not.

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2/21/2023 5:41pm Edited Date/Time 2/21/2023 5:42pm

weigandt is the most intelligent person in teh sport by far. he knows carbunkle and screech are bad for the sport. he knows he's just gotta stay mum and bide his time and not bite the hand that feeds.  cream will rise to the top. 

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2/21/2023 6:36pm

Yes. Weege kept saying how the broadcast can’t predict what is going to happen on the track. Would be interested to hear if he felt the sexton crash collage was a coincidence and the production crew was going to play it at the 5 min mark regardless.

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2/21/2023 6:49pm

YEAH!!! 

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2/21/2023 7:08pm

I was hoping the caller was going to bring up how they cut away immediately after the first three riders or so cross the finish in the heat, and how we’re left guessing who all made it into the last few transfer spots.

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I was hoping the caller was going to bring up how they cut away immediately after the first three riders or so cross the finish in...

I was hoping the caller was going to bring up how they cut away immediately after the first three riders or so cross the finish in the heat, and how we’re left guessing who all made it into the last few transfer spots.

Silly, how do you know the winner might not crash going to the podium, we must follow them!

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2/21/2023 8:31pm

Weege brought up MotoGP and Nascar as examples of them "also not catching all the action live" but they have quality replays. I think Nascar and MotoGP must have cameras on each racer because they never miss a pass/crash replay. Supercross will be like "look at the top of the screen and you can see a blurry version of the crash if you squint hard."

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motoxxx599 wrote:
Weege brought up MotoGP and Nascar as examples of them "also not catching all the action live" but they have quality replays. I think Nascar and...

Weege brought up MotoGP and Nascar as examples of them "also not catching all the action live" but they have quality replays. I think Nascar and MotoGP must have cameras on each racer because they never miss a pass/crash replay. Supercross will be like "look at the top of the screen and you can see a blurry version of the crash if you squint hard."

You saw the Sexton crash, did you not? That wasn't live. That was a replay. 

 

People just love to bitch. 

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2/21/2023 9:36pm

While it's frustrating for us fans, what can you really expect? What employer allows its employees to publicly trash them? - let alone on the biggest MX podcast. The best we can hope for is that people like Weege, JT, and Daniel Blair can help work towards actually fixing the issues from the inside.

As far as his comment about not being able to show every rider at all times... he has a legit point. If they only showed Sexton by himself out front by 5 seconds for 10 minutes straight, it'd be boring as hell. Of course they're going to cut to a battle happening behind him, especially if it's Barcia and Anderson. There are plenty of things to complain about on the broadcasts but that really is kind of just a part of motorsports

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I was hoping the caller was going to bring up how they cut away immediately after the first three riders or so cross the finish in...

I was hoping the caller was going to bring up how they cut away immediately after the first three riders or so cross the finish in the heat, and how we’re left guessing who all made it into the last few transfer spots.

When Jett crossed the finish line in the main, they showed him riding to the podium, showed a photo of him, then cut to commercial. Nothing else of the 250 main was showed 

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2/21/2023 9:54pm

The best part of the interview was Brayton saying he would like to call the races or be involved full time.  He would crush it in RC's spot.  Let's go Feld!

In Weege's defense, he did validate the issue with Race Day Live and was trying to point out there is no way to predict when a rider will crash or a pass will happen.  He is not wrong and did not say it was all perfect in any way,  If that's what you heard, pull the carrots from your ears.  

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2/21/2023 10:48pm Edited Date/Time 2/21/2023 10:48pm
motoxxx599 wrote:
Weege brought up MotoGP and Nascar as examples of them "also not catching all the action live" but they have quality replays. I think Nascar and...

Weege brought up MotoGP and Nascar as examples of them "also not catching all the action live" but they have quality replays. I think Nascar and MotoGP must have cameras on each racer because they never miss a pass/crash replay. Supercross will be like "look at the top of the screen and you can see a blurry version of the crash if you squint hard."

aeffertz wrote:

You saw the Sexton crash, did you not? That wasn't live. That was a replay. 

 

People just love to bitch. 

Nobody is ONLY complaining about missing the Sexton crash, so stop picking ONE thing and trying to make your point.

Do people love to bitch? Of course. Is the broadcast and production pretty terrible and needs a dramatic change? Also yes.

Don't try to pull the "back in my day" card either, I'm from the Cycle News generation, I understand live coverage every week is a huge improvement. Doesn't mean the ACTUAL coverage and production is good. It's not. It's not even close.

Last week even the LIVE ANNOUNCERS were actively trying to pull the producer back to what was happening on the track, but instead they were following the battle for 6th, all while Webb was on Sexton. 

The production is a joke if you actually know what it could be, and unless a cultural shift happens from the inside, it will never improve. It's a circle jerk and it starts with Bondo, and all his enablers who refuse to listen to the people they are supposedly catering to. 

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I’m a super fan and only watch F1 other than SX and MX, just condense it to a two hour broadcast. Start the broadcast 30 min to an hour after the show begins live and edit it for christs sake, I don’t need an hour in the middle for fluff pieces and the LCQs either just show the highlights and get to the main events. This will allow for some refinement of the production quality and allow the announcers some time to sound more professional as opposed to random whooooaaaas and Ricky constantly saying “watch here he is going to…” and nothing happens.

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The best part of the interview was Brayton saying he would like to call the races or be involved full time.  He would crush it in...

The best part of the interview was Brayton saying he would like to call the races or be involved full time.  He would crush it in RC's spot.  Let's go Feld!

In Weege's defense, he did validate the issue with Race Day Live and was trying to point out there is no way to predict when a rider will crash or a pass will happen.  He is not wrong and did not say it was all perfect in any way,  If that's what you heard, pull the carrots from your ears.  

You can absolutely tell when a pass will happen. On the rider position graphic on the side of the screen it shows gaps between riders, you can literally see one rider catching another over multiple segments/laps. Eventually the race order changes and then we get a replay of the pass, meanwhile we were watching some dude ride around on his own

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bvm111 wrote:
I’m a super fan and only watch F1 other than SX and MX, just condense it to a two hour broadcast. Start the broadcast 30 min...

I’m a super fan and only watch F1 other than SX and MX, just condense it to a two hour broadcast. Start the broadcast 30 min to an hour after the show begins live and edit it for christs sake, I don’t need an hour in the middle for fluff pieces and the LCQs either just show the highlights and get to the main events. This will allow for some refinement of the production quality and allow the announcers some time to sound more professional as opposed to random whooooaaaas and Ricky constantly saying “watch here he is going to…” and nothing happens.

Seriously?

Your no fan if you don't want to watch the LCQ.

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chump6784 wrote:
You can absolutely tell when a pass will happen. On the rider position graphic on the side of the screen it shows gaps between riders, you...

You can absolutely tell when a pass will happen. On the rider position graphic on the side of the screen it shows gaps between riders, you can literally see one rider catching another over multiple segments/laps. Eventually the race order changes and then we get a replay of the pass, meanwhile we were watching some dude ride around on his own

Agreed . Back in the olden days of internet we could only listen and watch live timing . You get a great overall take on the race by doing it that way actually . It’s easy to follow every riders’ race unfold . You pick up on a battle that’s about to happen , the guy in 5th just crashed , the guy that is putting on an amazing charge from 19th etc , all stuff that doesn’t get mentioned on the broadcast . These days I still spend about 50% of the race watching the live timing on a second monitor . But in their defense , their is a LOT of information during a race you could pass on and not nearly enough time to talk about it . I think us fans get that , but our beef is with the choices they make on what info they pass on and when . And those beefs are legit . 

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In regards to the debacle of TV coverage last year Weege stated most motocross fans complaints and problems with the coverage was due to the viewers ignorance dealing with the complexities of streaming services and fans not being able to understand how to use the provided service. It seemed insulting and condescending at the time. This current take was similar. I really do not care what your task is, I was always taught to strive for improving and perfecting it. Weege's constant bashing upon the viewers that the broadcast is as good as it gets and his hyper defensiveness, stresses that the production crew doesn't give a shit about the viewer's (customers) opinion or actually loathes it. This is why the audience of SX is not remotely representative of people (customers) they could actually get to watch the program. That and the demographic most interested in SX (25-50 white male) is likely not home in front of the TV most Saturday nights. How does the TV broadcast crew expect to get the illusive corporate sponsors when they are constantly harping that the viewership (customers) is full of shit? At least tell them you are trying to improve, acknowledge the grievances mean something. Good lord, it is better than Carlsbad once a year.

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The best part of the interview was Brayton saying he would like to call the races or be involved full time.  He would crush it in...

The best part of the interview was Brayton saying he would like to call the races or be involved full time.  He would crush it in RC's spot.  Let's go Feld!

In Weege's defense, he did validate the issue with Race Day Live and was trying to point out there is no way to predict when a rider will crash or a pass will happen.  He is not wrong and did not say it was all perfect in any way,  If that's what you heard, pull the carrots from your ears.  

chump6784 wrote:
You can absolutely tell when a pass will happen. On the rider position graphic on the side of the screen it shows gaps between riders, you...

You can absolutely tell when a pass will happen. On the rider position graphic on the side of the screen it shows gaps between riders, you can literally see one rider catching another over multiple segments/laps. Eventually the race order changes and then we get a replay of the pass, meanwhile we were watching some dude ride around on his own

So, when the broadcast is particular shit, I just turn it off and watch the live timing and scoring, perhaps turn off the sound. Despite Weege stated again and again the broadcast is perfection, there is so much room for perfection. On that point I hate to say it, RC is still awful, put James, Brayton, Blair in there. Anybody else, sorry.

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Imagine the rants that would ensue if Steve and the rest of the guys who attend almost every race and never watch the live broadcast were in our positions. That's a major problem I have with their constant defending of mistakes (I don't have a problem with mistakes) and outright poor coverage, they don't even watch, which they admit regularly.

 

Mistakes happen. Show me the racing. Tell me about the racing.

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2/22/2023 5:13am

And the condescension is real, if you ever caught the tone of contempt Weege and Matthes have when they mention vital MX viewers, or fans at a race? Matthes and Weege may make money from the MX/SX industry but they have a very low opinion of the typical fan, to the point of appearing burnt out. Actually many industry insiders seem to feel likewise.

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2/22/2023 7:26am

I assume if James heard Weege say you can't predict the leader is going to fall, he'd have a grin on his face, as that exactly what he did. Make James the production director for a race, can't be worse, right? 

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2/22/2023 7:31am
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weigandt is the most intelligent person in teh sport by far. he knows carbunkle and screech are bad for the sport. he knows he's just gotta...

weigandt is the most intelligent person in teh sport by far. he knows carbunkle and screech are bad for the sport. he knows he's just gotta stay mum and bide his time and not bite the hand that feeds.  cream will rise to the top. 

Best Cream Will Rise GIFs | Gfycat

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2/22/2023 9:17am

It's funny how you guys expect Weege and Brayton to just shit talk their employers, work, co-workers, and friends. The best they are gonna do is take the feedback and bring it up with the higher ups when they can.

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2/22/2023 9:44am

Weege, Matthes and the octopus.

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It's funny how you guys expect Weege and Brayton to just shit talk their employers, work, co-workers, and friends. The best they are gonna do is...

It's funny how you guys expect Weege and Brayton to just shit talk their employers, work, co-workers, and friends. The best they are gonna do is take the feedback and bring it up with the higher ups when they can.

Again, NOT what the logical detractors of the broadcast are wanting. But you contrarians love to put words in other people's mouths to build up your own argument.

All we want is a real conversation and some acknowledgment the broadcast is far from ideal and there are EASY improvements to make.

As for Weege, the fact he's SO defensive on this subject tells me there is more to it than we think; he's usually a pretty logical and objective person. Look at his YouTube video after the Deegan claiming debacle last year; he didn't mince many words and acknowledged how poorly it was handled.

I think the most frustrating part for the critics here is how simplethe fix APPEARS from the outside, get rid of Bondo and change directions. I mean at least TRY someone else in there for a couple races?

I swear it seems like Bondo has an envelope filled with surveillance photos of all the people above him doing shady stuff, and every time a legit question is asked regarding his performance....they all flash back to that and sing his praises. 

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2/22/2023 9:54am Edited Date/Time 2/22/2023 10:22am

On a good day the broadcast is mediocre at best. RC is horrible! 

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Watching the winner of the heat race or main ride to the podium while there are racers still racing for position is beyond frustrating, borderline infuriating.

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2/22/2023 11:05am
I was hoping the caller was going to bring up how they cut away immediately after the first three riders or so cross the finish in...

I was hoping the caller was going to bring up how they cut away immediately after the first three riders or so cross the finish in the heat, and how we’re left guessing who all made it into the last few transfer spots.

If there is ONE thing that needs to change it is this ^^  I was watching some races in the late FS1 years (2014-2018ish) with Ralph and Fro and it was so noticeable in the heat races that they did not cut away immediately after the winner crosses, and almost always showed the 9th place guy, or in that period with semi's the 4th place guy. It is absolutely shameful how NBC cuts it.

Otherwise, the broadcast is fine. Nothing will ever be perfect.

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early wrote:
It's funny how you guys expect Weege and Brayton to just shit talk their employers, work, co-workers, and friends. The best they are gonna do is...

It's funny how you guys expect Weege and Brayton to just shit talk their employers, work, co-workers, and friends. The best they are gonna do is take the feedback and bring it up with the higher ups when they can.

How about just don't ridicule viewers (customers) about complaining.

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2/22/2023 12:29pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2023 12:33pm
Spoonguy wrote:
And the condescension is real, if you ever caught the tone of contempt Weege and Matthes have when they mention vital MX viewers, or fans at...

And the condescension is real, if you ever caught the tone of contempt Weege and Matthes have when they mention vital MX viewers, or fans at a race? Matthes and Weege may make money from the MX/SX industry but they have a very low opinion of the typical fan, to the point of appearing burnt out. Actually many industry insiders seem to feel likewise.

It's a big club, and we ain't in it.  Nobody is going to say one negative thing while they're riding the moto bro industry gravy train.

And honestly, what motivation do they have to put out a better product?  It's apparent that the promoter(s) do not care to listen to outside feedback.  The "press" is completely beholden to the promoter(s), so they will never do anything other than toe the company line.

Moto "journalism" is a lot like automotive journalism; most of these media persons exist to serve those who write the checks (OEMs, Feld, etc.), they don't give two shits about those who actually consume their product (us).

On the flip side, people here LOVE to leg hump these hacks who are all but bought and paid for while dumping on anyone who dares to ask the tough questions.  Remember when Cooksey blew the RMATV KTM/BBMX story out of the water and the ENTIRE moto media stayed silent about it?  Eventually, the usual suspects casually swept it aside as though the situation was inevitable.  BBMX isn't even fielding a team this year and yet nobody has decided to dig deeper and chronicle what all exactly happened.

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2/22/2023 1:55pm

Wow I see the safe space corner is full today

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