Blair and RC not doing their job

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2/19/2023 10:19am
DonM wrote:

It must be Sunday Bitchday....every frikin Sunday there are multiple bitch threads.....

Maybe because there is good reason for it.

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2/19/2023 10:23am

Ricky was real bad last night the cringe level when he was trying to explain why chase went down… Paul Malin is the pinnacle of announcing 

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2/19/2023 10:28am
katooom wrote:
This is very much on point.  For some reason the entire production is about 'telling a story'.  These guys jabber on and on and on.  Its...

This is very much on point.  For some reason the entire production is about 'telling a story'.  These guys jabber on and on and on.  Its even worse when they send it down to WillC, total cringe.  Just call the dammed race. 

Leave all that story garbage for the copious amounts of downtime.

Will's questions go on forever too and I tired of her mentioning who she talked to in the pits like she's an insider.   JT being a former racer is much more suited for segments during the race and use Will's segments for before and after the races. What happened to when races were announced?    Larry Huffman and Larry Naston knew how to call a race.

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I actually had a hard time even hearing what anyone was saying as the mic level for them was turned way down compared to the sound...

I actually had a hard time even hearing what anyone was saying as the mic level for them was turned way down compared to the sound of the bikes on the track. 

Anyone noticed that without fail that when they cutover to some worthless comment from Will that something is happening on the track that someone could be commenting on.  For me, she's the most annoying part of the race coverage.

I am with you 100 percent on Will being the most annoying part of the race coverage.    Fortunately, I just hit M on my PC to mute but couple of times had a dog on my lap and didn't want to disturb her so suffered through Will's "insight."

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As a commentator, for me there is a golden rule, at the track you can only look one way at a time, but you try to make sure that is always driven by following the race, if you are looking at your notes, to find out stats , then you aint watching the racing. 

There is plenty of time for filler when there is nothing going on.

They went to a fucking interview in one of the 450 heats when it was one of the best races we had seen . 

Bondo is a fucking clown. 

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philG wrote:
As a commentator, for me there is a golden rule, at the track you can only look one way at a time, but you try to...

As a commentator, for me there is a golden rule, at the track you can only look one way at a time, but you try to make sure that is always driven by following the race, if you are looking at your notes, to find out stats , then you aint watching the racing. 

There is plenty of time for filler when there is nothing going on.

They went to a fucking interview in one of the 450 heats when it was one of the best races we had seen . 

Bondo is a fucking clown. 

I'd hate to lose Lewis but he'd be the perfect guy to feed RC stats during the race.  An earwig so to speak.

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2/19/2023 11:12am
DonM wrote:

It must be Sunday Bitchday....every frikin Sunday there are multiple bitch threads.....

BBA wrote:
So you're bitching about a bitch thread? Wouldn't that be like a double negative or something? 

So you're bitching about a bitch thread? Wouldn't that be like a double negative or something? Grinning

DonM wrote:

pointing out a fact....not bitching...now if I said something about all these bitches bitching that would bitching.....

Bitch please...

 

Grinning

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Inside outside long legs jumping whoops.. What happened to Kenny he went from 5 to 11 and they didnt have clue. 

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philG wrote:
As a commentator, for me there is a golden rule, at the track you can only look one way at a time, but you try to...

As a commentator, for me there is a golden rule, at the track you can only look one way at a time, but you try to make sure that is always driven by following the race, if you are looking at your notes, to find out stats , then you aint watching the racing. 

There is plenty of time for filler when there is nothing going on.

They went to a fucking interview in one of the 450 heats when it was one of the best races we had seen . 

Bondo is a fucking clown. 

plowboy wrote:

I'd hate to lose Lewis but he'd be the perfect guy to feed RC stats during the race.  An earwig so to speak.

Lewis needs to stay in his fucking lane LOL. 

In defense of those guys in the booth, they can only talk about what is on screen, and if the director goes ' we are cutting to bollocks' then they have no choice but to STFU.. 

If you do it right , you dont need stats, its not sportsball where stats is all there is, its a visually inspiring sport , and if you cant convey that with words , you are in the wrong job. 

 

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2/19/2023 1:51pm Edited Date/Time 2/19/2023 1:56pm
philG wrote:
As a commentator, for me there is a golden rule, at the track you can only look one way at a time, but you try to...

As a commentator, for me there is a golden rule, at the track you can only look one way at a time, but you try to make sure that is always driven by following the race, if you are looking at your notes, to find out stats , then you aint watching the racing. 

There is plenty of time for filler when there is nothing going on.

They went to a fucking interview in one of the 450 heats when it was one of the best races we had seen . 

Bondo is a fucking clown. 

plowboy wrote:

I'd hate to lose Lewis but he'd be the perfect guy to feed RC stats during the race.  An earwig so to speak.

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Lewis needs to stay in his fucking lane LOL.  In defense of those guys in the booth, they can only talk about what is on screen...

Lewis needs to stay in his fucking lane LOL. 

In defense of those guys in the booth, they can only talk about what is on screen, and if the director goes ' we are cutting to bollocks' then they have no choice but to STFU.. 

If you do it right , you dont need stats, its not sportsball where stats is all there is, its a visually inspiring sport , and if you cant convey that with words , you are in the wrong job. 

 

Pretty sure Lewis uses the fast lane all the time.

I agree with having someone in the booth that's "calling" the race.  Let Ricky add any color needed.  Banter is cool but not when it interferes with calling the race.

As others have said...Malin "calls" the race.  He also shines at the color but let's be honest...that's a rare talent.

Edit...I really, really think that Brayton and AC would be phenomenal in the booth.  Tell me I'm wrong.

 

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Pretty sure Lewis uses the fast lane all the time. I agree with having someone in the booth that's "calling" the race.  Let Ricky add any...

Pretty sure Lewis uses the fast lane all the time.

I agree with having someone in the booth that's "calling" the race.  Let Ricky add any color needed.  Banter is cool but not when it interferes with calling the race.

As others have said...Malin "calls" the race.  He also shines at the color but let's be honest...that's a rare talent.

Edit...I really, really think that Brayton and AC would be phenomenal in the booth.  Tell me I'm wrong.

 

Malin should just be the colour guy by rights, as an ex rider, normally the lead guy is a broadcast pro, but he nails it, and he does it all on his own mostly , its good when JT$ is there , but Malin is the standard that everyone has to meet IMO. 

He replaced Martin Bennett, a good friend of mine on the MXGP feed , i got my break in the job when Bennett was unable to attend an SM  race up in Scotland, at short notice, and the organisers had spent a bundle on promo stuff, i got up in the morning expecting to race, and ended up on comms for all the races i wasnt in, as my sponsor was one of the promotors, and i did that at a few races that season, with another guy as back up. 

Bennett quit i think, because he had a regular job as well, and he had to wait at the track to do the TV edit stuff after the GP's and wasnt getting home till silly O'Clock, and it was too much. He hooked us up with tickets at the Donington MXoN , and we got a look in the booth, which back then was like an RV toilet with screens.

Malin stepped in after that, and he has been the man ever since.

I like doing the on circuit stuff, have done a few streams and that is hard work because info is hard to come by, and its always low budget, which doesnt help. 

I think better direction would help SX along a bunch. 

Blair is decent, and JB would be my pick to 2nd seat 

 

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2/19/2023 2:16pm

Weege , Stew, Blair. Ditch screech and let JT be a pit reporter in between down time. Tell me I'm wrong.

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plowboy wrote:
Pretty sure Lewis uses the fast lane all the time. I agree with having someone in the booth that's "calling" the race.  Let Ricky add any...

Pretty sure Lewis uses the fast lane all the time.

I agree with having someone in the booth that's "calling" the race.  Let Ricky add any color needed.  Banter is cool but not when it interferes with calling the race.

As others have said...Malin "calls" the race.  He also shines at the color but let's be honest...that's a rare talent.

Edit...I really, really think that Brayton and AC would be phenomenal in the booth.  Tell me I'm wrong.

 

philG wrote:
Malin should just be the colour guy by rights, as an ex rider, normally the lead guy is a broadcast pro, but he nails it, and...

Malin should just be the colour guy by rights, as an ex rider, normally the lead guy is a broadcast pro, but he nails it, and he does it all on his own mostly , its good when JT$ is there , but Malin is the standard that everyone has to meet IMO. 

He replaced Martin Bennett, a good friend of mine on the MXGP feed , i got my break in the job when Bennett was unable to attend an SM  race up in Scotland, at short notice, and the organisers had spent a bundle on promo stuff, i got up in the morning expecting to race, and ended up on comms for all the races i wasnt in, as my sponsor was one of the promotors, and i did that at a few races that season, with another guy as back up. 

Bennett quit i think, because he had a regular job as well, and he had to wait at the track to do the TV edit stuff after the GP's and wasnt getting home till silly O'Clock, and it was too much. He hooked us up with tickets at the Donington MXoN , and we got a look in the booth, which back then was like an RV toilet with screens.

Malin stepped in after that, and he has been the man ever since.

I like doing the on circuit stuff, have done a few streams and that is hard work because info is hard to come by, and its always low budget, which doesnt help. 

I think better direction would help SX along a bunch. 

Blair is decent, and JB would be my pick to 2nd seat 

 

Hey, you know your shit so I'd be stupid to argue.  You did pretty much validate my point though.  Yes, they need better direction but the cost of that "better" direction doesn't seem to be in the budget.

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Not a complaint per se, but I couldn't help but notice in the first 250 Heat that RC COULD NOT, I repeat, COULD NOT formulate a...

Not a complaint per se, but I couldn't help but notice in the first 250 Heat that RC COULD NOT, I repeat, COULD NOT formulate a complete sentence.  Not once.  It started distracting me, and I actually got nervous for him.  It got better through the night. 

He needs to quit talking like he’s on fire as to add excitement and drama. Ricky just talk as if you are on Race Day Live, your announcing is always much better there. Not great, but better. 

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The whole production is so, so bad. It cannot be overstated, that's why I never get tired of hearing others complain about it, it validates the feelings I have every single weekend.

We all know how bad of a job the engineers do in terms of capturing the right things during the races. The battles that have been missed in favor of keeping the camera on a rider by himself on the track in 9th are endless. My mind always go back to Southwick 2021, Moto 2 when Tomac came back from a 9 second deficit, caught and passed Roczen, and put 15 seconds on him. Genuinely one of the most dominant rides I've seen in recent memory. And they only showed 1 minute of it. Didn't cover his march forward towards Roczen, just put the cameras on him when he was literally making the actual pass and then as soon as it was made, went back to Ferrandis in like 4th who was having bike troubles (because bike troubles are much more exciting for the viewer to watch than a dominant win from a legend of the sport). I know that was a little while ago, but that's the kind of garbage we as fans have had to deal with over the years.

With the announcing, others have made the great point that the announcers seem to talk about everything BUT the actual race. When you tune into a football game, the announcers are walking the viewer through the offensive & defensive formations, what happened on both sides of the ball to make a play work/fail, and where each team can go from there. In basketball, the announcers do their job in a similar fashion, telling the viewer which players are doing what, the sets each team is running, which shooters are getting hot (or cold), etc. They leave the fluff side stories to timeouts and halftime (or at the end of a game if it's a blowout).

Our announcers don't provide ANY insight into the numerous battles and developments that are ACTUALLY happening on the racetrack. Who's been putting in several fast laps, who's losing time to the leaders, who mysteriously went from 5th to 8th in the matter of 4 seconds and why it happened. Instead, we spend the main event talking about how great it is to see such a close championship, how Sexton is doomed to crash, how Eli wanted to put last week behind him, how Webb is back with Aldon, etc. They're not necessarily "wrong" things to say in general, but they shouldn't account for 95% of the conversations during a main event.

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2/19/2023 7:47pm

RC is so bad, that I’m starting to forget how good he was. Now all envision is Jeannie on his ass and RC responding with “red bike go fast, mama” 

Will…. Gorgeous woman, but it is getting ridiculous as to how many words she needs to say so little 

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It’s fine. Turn the volume all the way down and just watch the race like @dv12 if it ruins your experience to such an extreme. Y’all sound like a bunch of assholes.

I can’t comprehend all the negativity, really. Where in life do you get perfection? Blair and Ricky are entertaining and although not perfect, pretty damn good and keep getting better. 

One complaint about the production is the bike noise volume (gain) overrides the announcing. 

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2/19/2023 9:19pm Edited Date/Time 2/20/2023 12:24pm

You guys listen to Ricky?  Ever since he took over, I put the TV on mute and put on music like a 90s moto vid.  

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I dont have a problem with how RC or Blair formulate themselves, how they sound, or if they stumble on words.

I have a problem with that the race is not commented but instead they are sitting and telling stories.

What i maybe thought was an issue with the commentators previously, has become clear it is not. You can put Ralph or Diffy back in in there, as long as they give us the insight of things we ourselves cant see and find. They did the same story telling.

1. Lap times. Gives us an analyze of the fastest and the current laptimes. What does that mean? Whats the prognosis?

2. Segment times. Did they even once mention where someone is picking up time or is faster/slower then the rest?

3. Gives us some prognosis. Webb seem to be holding his laptimes and the rest is falling off. 

4. What they see on the bike. Does the bike setups look ok? Rider positioning.

Just comment the damn race. People cant take in information about what happend to a rider 2 weeks ago, what he said about his goals for this season and learn that during the race - because we are LOOKING AT THE RACE. Feels like there is a very poor strategy and mission in place for what would be a successful night show.

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It’s fine. Turn the volume all the way down and just watch the race like @dv12 if it ruins your experience to such an extreme. Y’all...

It’s fine. Turn the volume all the way down and just watch the race like @dv12 if it ruins your experience to such an extreme. Y’all sound like a bunch of assholes.

I can’t comprehend all the negativity, really. Where in life do you get perfection? Blair and Ricky are entertaining and although not perfect, pretty damn good and keep getting better. 

One complaint about the production is the bike noise volume (gain) overrides the announcing. 

They are not good. Have you ever watched MXGP? Or even just have F1 or MotoGP is commented. Compared to that, level is low. To little information about the actual race.

As mentioned, the main problem is you cant do your own analyze using AMA live timing app for example due to streaming services lagging. So you are depending on the commentators doing a good job providing detailed info and analze, forecasts and conclusion. Basically their job.

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RCMXracing wrote:
It’s fine. Turn the volume all the way down and just watch the race like @dv12 if it ruins your experience to such an extreme. Y’all...

It’s fine. Turn the volume all the way down and just watch the race like @dv12 if it ruins your experience to such an extreme. Y’all sound like a bunch of assholes.

I can’t comprehend all the negativity, really. Where in life do you get perfection? Blair and Ricky are entertaining and although not perfect, pretty damn good and keep getting better. 

One complaint about the production is the bike noise volume (gain) overrides the announcing. 

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They are not good. Have you ever watched MXGP? Or even just have F1 or MotoGP is commented. Compared to that, level is low. To little...

They are not good. Have you ever watched MXGP? Or even just have F1 or MotoGP is commented. Compared to that, level is low. To little information about the actual race.

As mentioned, the main problem is you cant do your own analyze using AMA live timing app for example due to streaming services lagging. So you are depending on the commentators doing a good job providing detailed info and analze, forecasts and conclusion. Basically their job.

Of course I watch other Motorsports, talking specifically about MXGP, Malin calls it like a horse race. He’s great and that’s a common and typical style.

It’s obvious that’s not what NBC wants for SX. The beef would be with the Execs right? Blair and RC could call it like a horse race no problem, clearly they are going for the stories, building these riders up like the superheroes they are.

This has been discussed many times, back to Ralph and the “Red Honda”. Us purists already know a S ton about the sport. Right or wrong building up the stars by telling stories engages the non indoctrinated viewers and sells more Monster Energy drinks.

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I thought Blair was doing pretty good. The broadcast pisses me off most of the time, but if you have ever sat in front of a camera and tried to talk nonstop for 3 hours while being interesting you'll understand it is tough. On the flip side, the race is giving you everything you need to talk about, cut the story B.S. and talking about the team managers feelings about the riders breakfast. 

Who ever approves interviews showing a person talking while the race is going on or 30 seconds of Chase Sexton crashes DURING THE MAIN EVENT needs donkey kicked in both shins. 

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DonM wrote:

It must be Sunday Bitchday....every frikin Sunday there are multiple bitch threads.....

BBA wrote:
So you're bitching about a bitch thread? Wouldn't that be like a double negative or something? 

So you're bitching about a bitch thread? Wouldn't that be like a double negative or something? Grinning

That would be metabitching

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Try watching a race with the TV muted. Game changer.

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2/20/2023 10:02am

RC is just not good at this job. Regardless of the context, listening to him put together a sentence is like chewing on glass. He will start a sentence, stop, and try again, sometimes painfully. There were a couple of long pauses mid-sentence while he tried to formulate what to say and in one instance he just went to a new topic, just not good. I have nothing against RC as a person, but he is brutal in the booth and I think that impacts whoever is sitting next to him.

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2/20/2023 10:16am
Replace RC and Blair with James Stewart and David Pingree.  Stew has great insight and is not biased toward one rider.  Pingree also is not biased...

Replace RC and Blair with James Stewart and David Pingree.  Stew has great insight and is not biased toward one rider.  Pingree also is not biased toward one rider and can see things developing.   

Did you really just say Pingree and unbiased in the same sentence?? 😂

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2/20/2023 10:19am

Oakland was definitely an off night for the booth crew, but whatever, they are usually pretty good together.

I did find it amusing RC was calling those 180° corners 90° corners all night. 

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2/20/2023 10:25am

Who's leading the championship standings in whining about TV? Some of you are working really hard at it. 

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2/20/2023 10:32am Edited Date/Time 2/20/2023 10:33am

I agree on the point of of the ENTIRETY of the broadcast just continuously being bad. 

However, IMO I dont really care how RC sounds, its more about what he says. He was a bad MF and I don't really care how good or bad his grammar is, its more about WHAT he is trying to say. Thats why I think Stew is so good. Whenever he points things out its always very insightful, even if his grammar or sentence structure is bad. I really dont care. I honestly wish RC would loosen up a little and just talk like he would talk to his buddy in the pits or whatever. Stop being afraid to say shit in the thought of maybe offending a rider or sponsor whatever. Who cares? Hes the GOAT for a reason, want to know what he thinks. 

I think the color guy needs to be much more refined and have all of the attributes we would expect from a professional broadcaster. Blair is ok. Don't dislike him at all dont really think hes great, hes kind of generic. But W/E he gets the job done. 

JT on the floor is outstanding. This role fits him perfectly and he is doing a fantastic job at it. He says things that aren't just filler bullshit and is not afraid to give his opinion. 

 

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Serous question: Who pays RC's salary? is it Feld? RC's producer should set up an email account for viewer feedback.

RC should NOT read these emails!!!!!!!!!

An assistant producer should screen the emails and provide the producer a summary of complaints and improvement suggestions.

Guys, it is the job of the producer to address your complaints! RC is the multi-time AMA champion who brings his credibility to the broadcast. RC is NOT the producer.

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