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Go to a local race and you most likely won’t get enforcing happening of class structure. That said I am sure some local non vet specific one do a good too.
That said I just race vet B no matter where I go. If I’m racing young guns honestly I still try B and just know I may not do great. I’m not out to become the next JS7
Always want to point fingers but don't know where to point.
Like I said, I have raced in the states. Many times. The NESC vets come to closest to being faster than C class.
And if you want to talk about national Vet riders (Mike Brown) then you have to compare him to national C riders. And the gap becomes very, very slim. The top C riders at Loretta’s are about as fast as Mike Brown.
Take a trip down to LL, Mini O’s, etc. not a local Dade city night race.
I am 60+ and labeled a B rider and in no way am I fast enough to touch the average C or B class riders pace.
Its me riding the bike nothing more nothing less.
Take responsibility for your own life. Stop blaming your parents.
I'm pointing the finger right where it needs to go... at the individuals who choose to remain victims forever. If that makes you uncomfortable, so be it.
It’s not that 40 A isn’t fast, it’s that C is fast. Here’s same race, B class times. Notice the small gap between C and B? This is why Vet classes exist.
For reference, the top B rider here was scoring top 10’s in the 250 Nationals prior to this race. (We can race nationals as B riders here). So to win C, you’ll have to be within 4-5 seconds a lap of a top 10 (7-10) national rider. Think the vet boys can do that? Mike Brown was struggling with top 10’s here last time he raced, when he was much younger.
We would certainly keep an eye on you though.
All I'd like is a couple more gate drops, if I still can. And I'm pretty sure the fast Super Seniors would rather not have to deal with lapping me twice in a 4-lap race.
Pit Row
You can’t even compare lap times moto to moto at Lorettas. The track changes lap to lap.
Absolutely terrible comparison.
You also have no idea how classes work, 250C is not beginner. Here we have Junior, Intermediate and Pro. We don’t run the A, B, C system. The A, B, C system is the exact same. We also have BEGINNER which is D.
I challenge you to race some C class riders outside of a local club and see how you’ll do if you are so so much better than a C rider. I’ve raced in many different areas and only top Vet A riders are usually even comparable to C class riders. This isn’t 1980 anymore.
Better yet, take a trip down to LL and watch the C class and Vet classes. Not lap times as LL is the worst event on earth to try and compare times at. Watch with your eyes..
30+ is an age class, just like 25+. Nobody who actually races considers it the vet class. The vet class is the 40+ guys. (And even still, in most areas 30A guys outside top 3-5 are C riders)
And you can absolutely compare times at races, but tracks like LL, Glen Helen, Etc. Deteriorate A LOT more than local tracks.
But regardless of all that, who cares? The guy that didn’t even win C at our version of Lorettas went pro the same weekend (we do national after the amateur week) and got a top 15. I’m not a C guy and have no issues admitting there’s a ton of C class riders that could absolutely smoke me. But I’ve spent time outside my local area and know that it’s a fast, respected class. So who cares?
And you keep saying my local area. I race throughout Canada and USA. Southeast USA, Northeast, midwest, we have long winters. I’ve ridden and raced in more than just my local area. I think you haven’t, which is fine. You seem like a guy that races a local club in 30A and is pretty decent on the 3 tracks they race at, so your ego is inflated and you can’t comprehend that you would struggle to compete with C riders at large events and prolific areas where racing is big. My point is backed by the fact you haven’t posted anything local, only comparing your classes to Loretta Lynns 30A, Mike Brown, etc.
2008 I graduated high school and went to work for the summer. Summer ended, started college, had a horrible girlfriend that I let distract me from just about everything. My pops got a new job, told me as long as I was going to school he’d help me ride during the week. Started riding twice during the week and moved up to a 450. Raced some of the same guys, but they were riding 4-5 times a week plus racing Sunday. After a few months I started working part time at a shop while still in college. Riding started going back to just racing on Sundays if I wasn’t working. Finally ditched the gf, dropped out of college and started working full time. Eventually in 2010 sold the 450, picked up a 125 and only rode Wednesday's at our local track when I could. All while the guys I raced with before were still riding multiple times a week and racing every weekend racking up contingency money. Started racing a little bit here and there again in 2011 when I wasn’t working Sunday's.
2012 met a girl, who is now my wife, got a new job where I worked 7 days a week for a long time, got married, had a baby, finally got split days off at work but was so tired I didn’t even want to ride. Started riding a little more here and there in 2013 and 2014. August 2014 I got hurt at work and missed the next year and a half of my life. 2016, got back on the bike finally. Rode once, raced, started a new job, had a second child and riding halted. Eventually got back on the bike here and there when I could, raced a Big 6 GP and that was about it other than a few practices days here and there. 2017 was pretty much the same. 2018 sold my 450, bought a yz250, bought a house, rode the 250 twice at a track and once on trails and had to sell it to pay bills.
2019 I was lent a 450 from my sister/parents so I had a bike to ride when I could. Didn’t ride much, but came off the couch to race my first OTHG race and DITD with my pops. 2020, didn’t ride much at all, maybe 3 times from January to March and that was it. Decided to race the 2 stroke nationals in September as the entry was a birthday gift. Rode the 450 twice in September, rode the 2 stroke the Thursday before the race and then raced the 2 stroke nationals in 25+ C and finished 8-11 for 8th overall. Didn’t ride again until our New Years trail ride. 2021 was much of the same with no racing and me riding a total of 6 times throughout the year, 4 of which came the last 2 months of the year. 2022 has been worse as I rode New Years, rode once in March, tried to ride in May but had a mishap and got hurt starting my second lap. Wrist wasn’t doing well, but took my son to Perris with my family, threw on my dads extra set of gear to try a few laps on the vet track at Perris which weren’t the worst nor were they the best. And that was the last time I rode. Right now I don’t have a bike to ride, the time to ride or the money to ride.
So, there’s my answer on why I am still in the C class. Do I want to be? No, absolutely not. I want to ride 30+ B and eventually get to 30+ A, but my speed and fitness aren’t there and I’m not sure if or when they will be.
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