"I finally have a bike I'm comfortable on"

Edited Date/Time 11/15/2022 4:23pm
Interesting.

Though not conclusive, that interview leads me to believe we'll see Kenny on the Genuine Parts Honda at A1.

But do we believe the "Comfortable" statement? For sure, his results this off-season say he's telling the truth, but, its not the first, second or maybe even third time we've heard this from him, is it?

IF he is correct, are HRC missing a trick? Are HRC the 'new' Factory Yamaha/Keith McCarty and just simply cannot formulate that factory CRF to work right? Are we witnessing Genuine Honda being able to work out a bike that the official team cant, just like Star could the YZF whilst the Factory couldn't?

Of course, we have witnessed certain collaborations that work brilliantly together (Tomac & his suspension guy- remind me of his name) Tomac was a different guy when he started working with him again.

What are your thoughts?

Editor's Note: For reference: https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/features/I-Finally-Have-a-Bike-Im-a-lot-…

https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/features/Ken-Roczen-Explains-Why-Hes-Mor…
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Entirely possible and a fair question.

We all know that just because they could make Chase comfortable on the bike, with his alternate shock and fairly different setup preference, it doesn't mean they could put together what Kenny was looking for in the settings. That could be just as much down to the rider as the team, I'm not throwing Lars and Co under the bus, clearly they do a good job and 3 out of 4 happy campers ain't bad (across 250 and 450) but maybe a subtle, but noticeable to Kenny, miscommunication or misdiagnosis or just a difference of opinion led to it not being what he wanted, like Tomac and his preferred suspension guy you mention. Obviously the bike change muddys the waters there, but I totally get your point.
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He’s always amazing at the beginning of the season.

Add in the sprint races playing to his strengths .

Not sure you can read to much into it


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11/14/2022 5:10am
And now it’s time to get on another bike and start the process again…
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I remember an interview with RC’s old mechanic I believe it was (Mike Gossler) saying Ricky could tell when he’d change a fork clicker setting. I even think he turned the comp clickers on one fork and not the other and Ricky told him something wasn’t right and asked what he did.

Maybe Roczen is that in tune and sensitive to change too? Granted, he struggled with suspension set at the end with Ktm and RCH. It seems like each time he switched teams all was well again.

It will be interesting with all the speculation over the next couple weeks to see what program he puts together for next year.
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I know what point you’re trying to make, but one click on the forks makes a huge difference. I’m no where near pro level speed and Even I can easily tell if my forks are 9 or 10 clicks out.
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Feels like we’ve heard this before..
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crowe660 wrote:
I know what point you’re trying to make, but one click on the forks makes a huge difference. I’m no where near pro level speed and...
I know what point you’re trying to make, but one click on the forks makes a huge difference. I’m no where near pro level speed and Even I can easily tell if my forks are 9 or 10 clicks out.
I think the works forks are way more sensitive, I thought I remember a Windham interview where he mentioned something like 4 clicks on factory suspension was like 1 click on stock stuff, I might be remembering it wrong though.
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11/14/2022 5:42am
Went back to his base setting
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crowe660 wrote:
I know what point you’re trying to make, but one click on the forks makes a huge difference. I’m no where near pro level speed and...
I know what point you’re trying to make, but one click on the forks makes a huge difference. I’m no where near pro level speed and Even I can easily tell if my forks are 9 or 10 clicks out.
davis224 wrote:
I think the works forks are way more sensitive, I thought I remember a Windham interview where he mentioned something like 4 clicks on factory suspension...
I think the works forks are way more sensitive, I thought I remember a Windham interview where he mentioned something like 4 clicks on factory suspension was like 1 click on stock stuff, I might be remembering it wrong though.
Factory stuff has much smaller incremental adjustments. They might have 60+ clicks of adjustments conspired to 18-32 for stock stuff. So each click is less sensitive.
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“Delicate flowers”I think was the saying
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11/14/2022 6:55am
It's great to see Kenny going good again, and it is equally great for our sport if he is, BUT.....I share some of the same skepticism others have about these statements from KR. Maybe he is speaking positively in part just to be able to secure a ride on something he feels good with instead of having to spend the next 9 weeks or so trying to sort out another brand, which would not put him in a good spot come A1. And if he did not stay with Firepower and does go the full independent route, he has a lot of work to do between now and then.

One thing is for sure, he looked freaking good in Paris.
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He’s in a rather cool position, career wise. He wants an SX title, and has earned enough to solidify his retirement for the rest of his life (presumably). Having a singular drive and the luxury of not having to sweat the monetary loss of a big 5 contract, that’s an exciting place to be for KR I’d imagine.
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11/14/2022 7:27am
I think it’s a combination of things.

First, he’s definitely got something to prove right now, so his mindset is a lot different than when he had a comfortable contract. He needs a ride.

Second, it’s a bit of a jab at the HRC team, no secret how that ended.

Third, I think he’s enjoying the traveling. And the different style of racing the last few months.

Also, Jett (yeah on 250, but we’re talking HRC and settings) and Chase were doing more than fine last summer when Ken was also complaining.

This is coming from a fan and I think he rode great in Paris and at Straight Rhythm. Bike looked good last weekend, but I definitely don’t believe it’s just the bike.
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11/14/2022 8:09am
Maybe it just took JB10 to set up KR94's bike for him?
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Interesting. Though not conclusive, that interview leads me to believe we'll see Kenny on the Genuine Parts Honda at A1. But do we believe the "Comfortable"...
Interesting.

Though not conclusive, that interview leads me to believe we'll see Kenny on the Genuine Parts Honda at A1.

But do we believe the "Comfortable" statement? For sure, his results this off-season say he's telling the truth, but, its not the first, second or maybe even third time we've heard this from him, is it?

IF he is correct, are HRC missing a trick? Are HRC the 'new' Factory Yamaha/Keith McCarty and just simply cannot formulate that factory CRF to work right? Are we witnessing Genuine Honda being able to work out a bike that the official team cant, just like Star could the YZF whilst the Factory couldn't?

Of course, we have witnessed certain collaborations that work brilliantly together (Tomac & his suspension guy- remind me of his name) Tomac was a different guy when he started working with him again.

What are your thoughts?

Editor's Note: For reference: https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/features/I-Finally-Have-a-Bike-Im-a-lot-…

https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/features/Ken-Roczen-Explains-Why-Hes-Mor…
I had the exact same type of “comparative” thoughts when listening to KR; however, a lot of this could be on him.

I do often wonder if some teams spend too much time going in too many different directions -versus- finding a good base setting and NOT venturing too far from it during a given race season/series. I recall the “Factory Yamaha’s” having all sorts of crazy (very trick and cool looking!) parts and “one off” set-ups.

Personally, I think Honda would be wise to help Genuine run a 450 Team…here in the U.S.A., that would give KR an opportunity to stay on this bike with this group of people.

Over the last few years, I know of a racer that has a team that tells him,”This is what we’ve got. Let’s get to it!” And they take all the various parts, many of which have already been thru the team “test rider” that has a good understanding of that this racer likes/needs, and go out several days a week (starting in September or October…whichever the schedule allows) and start testing their asses off. This has delivered results. Really, really good results. They don’t seem to mess with things much…at all…during the season.
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11/14/2022 8:31am
cmotodad wrote:
Maybe it just took JB10 to set up KR94's bike for him?
Beat me to it, JB10 gets heaps of credit for sure. Would like to see an in depth profile on this bike. Obviously not AMA rules, could be some special things going on. The people want to know!
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Nice stab on HRC's back. 6 years on HRC Honda and he can't get Comfortable... A month on Genuine Honda and he is finally confortable. OK DUDE. If I was Honda's CO, I would not want to see him ride red next year. His melon could win the championship on a private Honda just because he is pissed about HRC. Great rider but weird dude.
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11/14/2022 8:54am Edited Date/Time 11/14/2022 8:55am
WCRider wrote:
Nice stab on HRC's back. 6 years on HRC Honda and he can't get Comfortable... A month on Genuine Honda and he is finally confortable. OK...
Nice stab on HRC's back. 6 years on HRC Honda and he can't get Comfortable... A month on Genuine Honda and he is finally confortable. OK DUDE. If I was Honda's CO, I would not want to see him ride red next year. His melon could win the championship on a private Honda just because he is pissed about HRC. Great rider but weird dude.
Can't say I disagree with this. 6 years is a LONG time to work on getting comfy.
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11/14/2022 9:39am
WCRider wrote:
Nice stab on HRC's back. 6 years on HRC Honda and he can't get Comfortable... A month on Genuine Honda and he is finally confortable. OK...
Nice stab on HRC's back. 6 years on HRC Honda and he can't get Comfortable... A month on Genuine Honda and he is finally confortable. OK DUDE. If I was Honda's CO, I would not want to see him ride red next year. His melon could win the championship on a private Honda just because he is pissed about HRC. Great rider but weird dude.
It’s no secret that factory teams are sometimes not as flexible as riders would prefer. That’s why Star did so well with the yz450 vs factory Yamaha.
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WCRider wrote:
Nice stab on HRC's back. 6 years on HRC Honda and he can't get Comfortable... A month on Genuine Honda and he is finally confortable. OK...
Nice stab on HRC's back. 6 years on HRC Honda and he can't get Comfortable... A month on Genuine Honda and he is finally confortable. OK DUDE. If I was Honda's CO, I would not want to see him ride red next year. His melon could win the championship on a private Honda just because he is pissed about HRC. Great rider but weird dude.
Totally agree on all points.
Well said.
Same ol' Kenny...
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11/14/2022 10:21am
WCRider wrote:
Nice stab on HRC's back. 6 years on HRC Honda and he can't get Comfortable... A month on Genuine Honda and he is finally confortable. OK...
Nice stab on HRC's back. 6 years on HRC Honda and he can't get Comfortable... A month on Genuine Honda and he is finally confortable. OK DUDE. If I was Honda's CO, I would not want to see him ride red next year. His melon could win the championship on a private Honda just because he is pissed about HRC. Great rider but weird dude.
Totally agree on all points.
Well said.
Same ol' Kenny...
Disagree in general on blame the rider vs. blame the bike.

1) He’s magically better in whoops, when comfy, go faster, soooo that’s the bike
2) 23 frame vs. 22
3) As others have said, the analogy of Star vs. Factory Yami holds with an independent team
4) JB10 testing factor, the guy is amazing in the whoops, he’s an SX specialist

I’ll concede one point, he’s probably putting more energy into his riding to prove the doubters wrong
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Im not trying to hate on kenny, but the dude does this all the time. Bike is amazing until he has a bad result, then does sub par the rest of the season and blames the bike.

That being said it would be sick to see him kick factory ass on a non factory bike
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11/14/2022 11:07am
crowe660 wrote:
I know what point you’re trying to make, but one click on the forks makes a huge difference. I’m no where near pro level speed and...
I know what point you’re trying to make, but one click on the forks makes a huge difference. I’m no where near pro level speed and Even I can easily tell if my forks are 9 or 10 clicks out.
You're a more sensitive rider than I am, then. You could take 15mm of sag out of my shock, send the clickers all the way in one direction on compression and all the way the opposite on rebound, bend my bars and flatten my tires between motos, and about 90% through the first lap, I'd say to myself, "You know, I think something might be wrong."
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11/14/2022 11:10am
When Ricky was on Pulp he had said Ken is a cycle, he hates the bike he just won on, joins a new team loves it,wins, then hates the bike. Ktm outdoor title>left>Suzuki outdoor title>left> Honda wins>left
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11/14/2022 11:12am Edited Date/Time 11/14/2022 11:18am
This might not be popular...but I really hope Kenny stays on a Honda for 2023. He looks good on the Genuine Honda bike, and has said he feels good on it. Yeah...Kenny has lipped off like that before about other bikes, but he sounds sincere about it this time.

And...get the feeling that HRC was looking to drop Kenny anyway...maybe not for 2023, but Sexton is their future...not Roczen. I'd bet their offer to Kenny was an insult to him...and he sensed that they were giving him a reason to leave on his own so they could save face. I don't know that of course...but my "bullshit detector" has been dinging ever since HRC issued the press release.

If he could ride for Genuine Honda, and they could still source parts and tuning from HRC along with the other companies they got parts from...and if Kenny could keep RedBull & Fox as personal sponsors...he might do well, and make HRC regret losing him in the process.
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davistld01 wrote:
This might not be popular...but I really hope Kenny stays on a Honda for 2023. He looks good on the Genuine Honda bike, and has said...
This might not be popular...but I really hope Kenny stays on a Honda for 2023. He looks good on the Genuine Honda bike, and has said he feels good on it. Yeah...Kenny has lipped off like that before about other bikes, but he sounds sincere about it this time.

And...get the feeling that HRC was looking to drop Kenny anyway...maybe not for 2023, but Sexton is their future...not Roczen. I'd bet their offer to Kenny was an insult to him...and he sensed that they were giving him a reason to leave on his own so they could save face. I don't know that of course...but my "bullshit detector" has been dinging ever since HRC issued the press release.

If he could ride for Genuine Honda, and they could still source parts and tuning from HRC along with the other companies they got parts from...and if Kenny could keep RedBull & Fox as personal sponsors...he might do well, and make HRC regret losing him in the process.
Kenny said himself the $$$ in the offer was good. It all came down to them not wanting him to race WSX. They said they would pull the offer if he raced it. And he did.
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With Kenny it is all about his mental state . When he’s on he might be the best in the world but he’s not always on . It’s intriguing to watch . 🍿
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RCMXracing wrote:
Disagree in general on blame the rider vs. blame the bike. 1) He’s magically better in whoops, when comfy, go faster, soooo that’s the bike 2)...
Disagree in general on blame the rider vs. blame the bike.

1) He’s magically better in whoops, when comfy, go faster, soooo that’s the bike
2) 23 frame vs. 22
3) As others have said, the analogy of Star vs. Factory Yami holds with an independent team
4) JB10 testing factor, the guy is amazing in the whoops, he’s an SX specialist

I’ll concede one point, he’s probably putting more energy into his riding to prove the doubters wrong
So you think it IS the bike and we could be on for a Succesful ‘23 SX Season for Kenny?

Question- do you know for sure that bike he’s riding is a ‘23 chassis?
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So you think it IS the bike and we could be on for a Succesful ‘23 SX Season for Kenny? Question- do you know for sure...
So you think it IS the bike and we could be on for a Succesful ‘23 SX Season for Kenny?

Question- do you know for sure that bike he’s riding is a ‘23 chassis?
Looking at when that bike were built and tested this fall, it’s probably a -22
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11/14/2022 11:45am
WCRider wrote:
Nice stab on HRC's back. 6 years on HRC Honda and he can't get Comfortable... A month on Genuine Honda and he is finally confortable. OK...
Nice stab on HRC's back. 6 years on HRC Honda and he can't get Comfortable... A month on Genuine Honda and he is finally confortable. OK DUDE. If I was Honda's CO, I would not want to see him ride red next year. His melon could win the championship on a private Honda just because he is pissed about HRC. Great rider but weird dude.
Have to agree here on your first sentence.

Ken continues to suffer from "run of the mouth" syndrome.

Always will be a fan of him, but man he just doesn't think before he speaks sometimes.
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