Lawrence Brothers Out For Paris SX

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Edited Date/Time 10/28/2022 11:27am
This is bizarre. Every single year we freak out here because top riders go to these one-off races and get injured and mess up their up and coming seasons and how stupid it is that they race these (I do not always agree with these sentiments). But it makes me wonder if there was not more to this than a visa issue:

https://gatedrop.com/lawrence-brothers-forced-to-pull-out-of-paris-sx/#…
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Oprah WindFury 10/25/2022 8:51am
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Hmmmm seems to me it might be a Honda deal and they’re using immigration visa as excuse. Honda doesn’t want guys doing overseas races. Investment I get it.
So maybe Kenny was right.
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SonofThor32 10/25/2022 8:55am
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Oprah WindFury wrote:
Hmmmm seems to me it might be a Honda deal and they’re using immigration visa as excuse. Honda doesn’t want guys doing overseas races. Investment I...
Hmmmm seems to me it might be a Honda deal and they’re using immigration visa as excuse. Honda doesn’t want guys doing overseas races. Investment I get it.
So maybe Kenny was right.
Oddly enough, I read Kenny and Brayton would be replacing them for Paris. For the life of me, I can't recall where I read that this morning though.

I agree though, this could be a sideways attempt to protect their investments for 2023.
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Not too long ago…

There was a rider that couldn’t leave the US for fear he wouldn’t be allowed back in due to his immigration status being in some sort of hold/delay.

So, I’ve seen this before.
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The real Sasquatch 10/25/2022 10:22am
10/25/2022 10:22am
Didn't Dean Wilson get stuck in Canada one time? He raced one of the Canadian rounds of SX and was stuck in Canada for an extra week or 2. I think Martin Davalos also missed a race because of something similar.
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313 SlowDown 10/25/2022 10:23am
10/25/2022 10:23am
Don't believe this at all.
(BTW, they are not americans so they are already "outside")
I blame Honda for this, and I suggest they could just say "we pay them a fortune to ride for us and stay injury free, so we are not letting them go in Paris" That would be honest and understandable even if not what we'd like.
But I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong
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R VanKamp77 10/25/2022 10:24am
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Is there still a travel ban on purebloods?
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scott_nz 10/25/2022 10:46am
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R VanKamp77 wrote:
Is there still a travel ban on purebloods?
On non USA citizens there are coming into the USA ,
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FGR01 10/25/2022 10:48am
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Calling all Vital Immigration lawyers to the thread. Please report and opine.
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313 SlowDown wrote:
Don't believe this at all. (BTW, they are not americans so they are already "outside") I blame Honda for this, and I suggest they could just...
Don't believe this at all.
(BTW, they are not americans so they are already "outside")
I blame Honda for this, and I suggest they could just say "we pay them a fortune to ride for us and stay injury free, so we are not letting them go in Paris" That would be honest and understandable even if not what we'd like.
But I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong
but they say they will race it next year (knowing they are still honda racers)... so this makes no sense what you are saying
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313 SlowDown 10/25/2022 10:54am
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313 SlowDown wrote:
Don't believe this at all. (BTW, they are not americans so they are already "outside") I blame Honda for this, and I suggest they could just...
Don't believe this at all.
(BTW, they are not americans so they are already "outside")
I blame Honda for this, and I suggest they could just say "we pay them a fortune to ride for us and stay injury free, so we are not letting them go in Paris" That would be honest and understandable even if not what we'd like.
But I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong
Payup_199 wrote:
but they say they will race it next year (knowing they are still honda racers)... so this makes no sense what you are saying
Still I think the same
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313 SlowDown wrote:
Don't believe this at all. (BTW, they are not americans so they are already "outside") I blame Honda for this, and I suggest they could just...
Don't believe this at all.
(BTW, they are not americans so they are already "outside")
I blame Honda for this, and I suggest they could just say "we pay them a fortune to ride for us and stay injury free, so we are not letting them go in Paris" That would be honest and understandable even if not what we'd like.
But I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong
Payup_199 wrote:
but they say they will race it next year (knowing they are still honda racers)... so this makes no sense what you are saying
Haha they said they were going to do wsx also and rbsr, look how that went

Me I would be changing team or contract next time it was up
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DunnySeat 10/25/2022 11:25am
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If they aren't vaccinated and aren't US citizens they wont be allowed back in the country. I can almost guarantee this is the issue.
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Fangface 10/25/2022 11:36am
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DunnySeat wrote:
If they aren't vaccinated and aren't US citizens they wont be allowed back in the country. I can almost guarantee this is the issue.
Covid is playing up again in Europe so def wouldn't take the risk to get stuck here...
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moto162 10/25/2022 11:37am
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
Didn't Dean Wilson get stuck in Canada one time? He raced one of the Canadian rounds of SX and was stuck in Canada for an extra...
Didn't Dean Wilson get stuck in Canada one time? He raced one of the Canadian rounds of SX and was stuck in Canada for an extra week or 2. I think Martin Davalos also missed a race because of something similar.
Same with party Marty Davalos I think he couldn't leave for the Canadian rounds because he wouldn't be let back in.
The real Sasquatch 10/25/2022 11:39am
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313 SlowDown wrote:
Don't believe this at all. (BTW, they are not americans so they are already "outside") I blame Honda for this, and I suggest they could just...
Don't believe this at all.
(BTW, they are not americans so they are already "outside")
I blame Honda for this, and I suggest they could just say "we pay them a fortune to ride for us and stay injury free, so we are not letting them go in Paris" That would be honest and understandable even if not what we'd like.
But I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong
I don't think they are worried about not being able to get out of the US, I think its more of getting BACK into the US. When Dean Wilson had the issue , it was not when he was leaving , it was when he was trying to get back into the US. Yes they are not from the US, but they are here already and contracted to race here. I've only gone to Canada, and it was one time. But going from the US to Canada was like paying a toll. It was a bigger process to get back into the US even as a US citizen . If there is any reason that could cause an issue with getting back into the US. that is a good reason not to go and risk your main job for a side job. It could also just be Honda not wanting them to go.Who knows. Fans are always asking for racers to be open and tell the truth about stuff, but then think they are not doing that when they say something that the fan disagrees with or doesn't like. Riders have had problems like this in the past. Yes there could be a bunch of other possible reasons they are not going. Who knows maybe an injury? or family problem, or maybe both of them are going to be fulltime 450 guys and they want to get better prepped? Who knows. But Kenny filling in adds to the story. Sounds like he is still kinda in with Honda . Is there a chance he returns to Honda still? If Honda was going to not let them go, why wait so long to make them pull out? whynot just tell them to not commit to going at all? Like they had told Kenny. I was looking forward to seeing them riding,so I am disappointed about them not going.I hope that this is worth it and they have an amazing 23 season.
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GrapeApe 10/25/2022 11:58am
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Paris SX would have been in the Lawrence bros contracts, Honda agreed to it a long time ago. WSX was not in Roczen's contract and he committed to it before getting Honda's consent. Not comparable circumstances.
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mb60 10/25/2022 12:00pm
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Does anyone follow other sports and there stars have the same contracts for other interest. Honda is just protecting there riders against injuries in offseason races. I'm assuming if the Lawrence brothers want to factory contract this is the price they have to pay.
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motoxxx599 10/25/2022 12:15pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
Didn't Dean Wilson get stuck in Canada one time? He raced one of the Canadian rounds of SX and was stuck in Canada for an extra...
Didn't Dean Wilson get stuck in Canada one time? He raced one of the Canadian rounds of SX and was stuck in Canada for an extra week or 2. I think Martin Davalos also missed a race because of something similar.
Davalos lost a championship because his visa wasnt sorted to attend a Canadian round. He was the points leader going into that race.
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stremme12 10/25/2022 12:23pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
Didn't Dean Wilson get stuck in Canada one time? He raced one of the Canadian rounds of SX and was stuck in Canada for an extra...
Didn't Dean Wilson get stuck in Canada one time? He raced one of the Canadian rounds of SX and was stuck in Canada for an extra week or 2. I think Martin Davalos also missed a race because of something similar.
motoxxx599 wrote:
Davalos lost a championship because his visa wasnt sorted to attend a Canadian round. He was the points leader going into that race.
He ended up losing that championship by quite a bit though. If I remember that race was near the beginning of their series. I think he was like 30-40 points behind by the end of the season.

It for sure caused him the points lead but he was pretty far out of the championship by the end of the season.
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Zalev 10/25/2022 1:03pm
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Roczen in.


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Magoofan 10/25/2022 1:36pm
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Zalev wrote:
Roczen in. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/25/574450/s1200_Zrzut_ekranu_2022_10_25_220301.jpg[/img]
Roczen in.


Of course he is.

He's a "free ranger" now.

He better win Paris....with that wSX title under his belt.... Woohoo

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Big_dawg 10/25/2022 1:57pm
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I heard he will be on his yamaha 2 stroke
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philG 10/25/2022 1:59pm
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scott_nz wrote:
On non USA citizens there are coming into the USA ,
So quite possible that if they aren't jabbed and leave the country they wont be let back in.


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philG 10/25/2022 2:03pm
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Fangface wrote:
Covid is playing up again in Europe so def wouldn't take the risk to get stuck here...
It really isnt.
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inthebadboycorner 10/25/2022 7:30pm
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My source told me it was because they don't have donuts in France.
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dang472 10/25/2022 8:17pm
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Oh yeah our non-citizen vaccine policy is virtually impenetrable.
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SX_336 10/25/2022 8:21pm
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I’m calling BS. How many riders have been coming and going from Cardiff back to the US to Australia back to the US? Chad Reed didn’t have any issues, Kenny isn’t having issues, Dean……

And in the case of Dean Wilson, it was Canada that wouldn’t let him leave. The US wasn’t keeping him from coming in. Canada wouldn’t let him out.
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profeshenal125 10/25/2022 9:23pm
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FGR01 wrote:
Calling all Vital Immigration lawyers to the thread. Please report and opine.
There’s actually a ban on bad haircuts for international travel. The boys where unable to connect with there French stylist for a trim. For there new visa photo.
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