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Rosso391 wrote:
I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV...
I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV charging. People can't even run their A/C when its 90 degrees out. So clearly they strain the grid too much for people to use the grid on a "normal" EV charging level. Then you add in EV motorcycle charging along with your EV truck/car...not gonna happen. People will be running separate diesel powered generators for those chargers, completely negating the point of EVs "green" classification. Even though EV's are tremendously NOT GREEN. We use more diesel in the entire manufacturing process, especially the mining, than a diesel vehicle would produce in its lifetime. The entire EV fad is completely BS. Its not good for the environment. Make hydrogen cars. GM has an engine that the US government wont let them release to the public, and that was back in 2009. EV's in motocross just wont happen, plain and simple. Its not going to be a PRO class. Motocross is all about the sound, feel, and shifting. Its just not MOTO if its EV.
#434 wrote:
It’s ok that you believe that, but did you read that somewhere? I always here this argument, that EVs are worse for the environment, but have...
It’s ok that you believe that, but did you read that somewhere? I always here this argument, that EVs are worse for the environment, but have never seen an article or a paper that really shows that.
And BTW: a diesel generator charging an EV takes less diesel than driving a diesel car the same distance.
RaceFace58 wrote:
Maybe you should look into where the lithium comes from and how they get it.
Won't happen.

Research isn't on top of his list of priorities.

Drinking Kool-Aid is.

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#434 wrote:
- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive - the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of...
- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive
- the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of their fuel. If range isn’t a concern, the electric motor outperforms it in every way.
- overall EVs will be a benefit to the energy grid because they will add a lot of storage capability to it. And the strain on the grid from charging EVs is smaller than one think. Check this: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-electric-vehicles-wont-break-the-grid/
My two cents.
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A scientific rule is energy is energy regardless where it comes from. You HAVE to have a 220V charger in your home if you want the...
A scientific rule is energy is energy regardless where it comes from. You HAVE to have a 220V charger in your home if you want the thing charged overnight. I don’t know what the amperage draw is but certainly if 110 won’t cut it it’s substantial. I can link to studies from the early 80s that were showing that all the smog etc was causing global cooling. How funny will it be when we find out that the smog was helping protect us from the sun and once we clear it all up the earth becomes a barren Mars like planet.
Sorry, I couldn’t follow. Yes, energy is energy.
What do you mean 220V to 110V? Do mean the max power output of your home to charge a car? I don’t know the situation in the States, but in Germany every household has cables thick enough to put enough power through to charge at least two cars.

Regarding the smog: Volcanic eruptions can have a cooling effect on the climate through the insane amounts of dust thrown into the atmosphere, but the smog in cities is nothing compared to that. Even if that could be one positive thing about smog, it would mean nothing on the global scale. I‘d love to have a look at the articles from the 80s. Maybe I underestimate the effect.
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Just a side note, this switch to EV is going to make Us all be at China’s whim once we’ve all embraced the EV idol. They’ve got the big lithium deposits within their borders.
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D.K.O.N. 10/19/2022 10:13am
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RaceFace58 wrote:
A scientific rule is energy is energy regardless where it comes from. You HAVE to have a 220V charger in your home if you want the...
A scientific rule is energy is energy regardless where it comes from. You HAVE to have a 220V charger in your home if you want the thing charged overnight. I don’t know what the amperage draw is but certainly if 110 won’t cut it it’s substantial. I can link to studies from the early 80s that were showing that all the smog etc was causing global cooling. How funny will it be when we find out that the smog was helping protect us from the sun and once we clear it all up the earth becomes a barren Mars like planet.
D.K.O.N. wrote:
Just the sheer amount of ignorance that you spew on a regular basis is so frustrating...I can't even believe there are people like you just out...
Just the sheer amount of ignorance that you spew on a regular basis is so frustrating...I can't even believe there are people like you just out there walking around. It's increasingly clear that modern science has completely eradicated natural selection.
RaceFace58 wrote:
Coming from someone who thinks you can negate charging ev’s by having solar panels on your roof.
Are you dense? Not only can you use solar and storage capabilities to remove your dependency on the grid altogether, you can use your EV as a backup storage for powering your home. You can literally have your home and vehicle entirely independent of any fossil fuel generated energy right now.

You have zero idea what you're talking about and it's so evident it hurts. You half witted rednecks are something else.
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#434 10/19/2022 10:14am
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#434 wrote:
It’s ok that you believe that, but did you read that somewhere? I always here this argument, that EVs are worse for the environment, but have...
It’s ok that you believe that, but did you read that somewhere? I always here this argument, that EVs are worse for the environment, but have never seen an article or a paper that really shows that.
And BTW: a diesel generator charging an EV takes less diesel than driving a diesel car the same distance.
RaceFace58 wrote:
Maybe you should look into where the lithium comes from and how they get it.
Magoofan wrote:
Won't happen.

Research isn't on top of his list of priorities.

Drinking Kool-Aid is.

That’s true! Not anymore. I just stopped working at the university a month.
Cheers!
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#434 wrote:
- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive - the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of...
- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive
- the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of their fuel. If range isn’t a concern, the electric motor outperforms it in every way.
- overall EVs will be a benefit to the energy grid because they will add a lot of storage capability to it. And the strain on the grid from charging EVs is smaller than one think. Check this: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-electric-vehicles-wont-break-the-grid/
My two cents.
RaceFace58 wrote:
A scientific rule is energy is energy regardless where it comes from. You HAVE to have a 220V charger in your home if you want the...
A scientific rule is energy is energy regardless where it comes from. You HAVE to have a 220V charger in your home if you want the thing charged overnight. I don’t know what the amperage draw is but certainly if 110 won’t cut it it’s substantial. I can link to studies from the early 80s that were showing that all the smog etc was causing global cooling. How funny will it be when we find out that the smog was helping protect us from the sun and once we clear it all up the earth becomes a barren Mars like planet.
#434 wrote:
Sorry, I couldn’t follow. Yes, energy is energy. What do you mean 220V to 110V? Do mean the max power output of your home to charge...
Sorry, I couldn’t follow. Yes, energy is energy.
What do you mean 220V to 110V? Do mean the max power output of your home to charge a car? I don’t know the situation in the States, but in Germany every household has cables thick enough to put enough power through to charge at least two cars.

Regarding the smog: Volcanic eruptions can have a cooling effect on the climate through the insane amounts of dust thrown into the atmosphere, but the smog in cities is nothing compared to that. Even if that could be one positive thing about smog, it would mean nothing on the global scale. I‘d love to have a look at the articles from the 80s. Maybe I underestimate the effect.
Here in the states most everything household runs on 110. We have 220v for dryers and ovens. The fact that 110 can’t keep up with the drain on a Tesla when it’s below freezing is pretty ridiculous. Oh yeah don’t take these cars out in the cold! That range drops like a stone.
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resetjet wrote:
I would put my money into hydrogen ICE. Batteries are just too bad for environment.
early wrote:
You'd lose your money. There will not be hydrogen ICE vehicles, only fuel cell, if that.
RaceFace58 wrote:
This will be where we end up. Toyota is not sold on EV.
Look at the hydrogen car Toyota is actually building right now. And the line of future EV's they released last year.
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#434 10/19/2022 10:18am
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RaceFace58 wrote:
A scientific rule is energy is energy regardless where it comes from. You HAVE to have a 220V charger in your home if you want the...
A scientific rule is energy is energy regardless where it comes from. You HAVE to have a 220V charger in your home if you want the thing charged overnight. I don’t know what the amperage draw is but certainly if 110 won’t cut it it’s substantial. I can link to studies from the early 80s that were showing that all the smog etc was causing global cooling. How funny will it be when we find out that the smog was helping protect us from the sun and once we clear it all up the earth becomes a barren Mars like planet.
D.K.O.N. wrote:
Just the sheer amount of ignorance that you spew on a regular basis is so frustrating...I can't even believe there are people like you just out...
Just the sheer amount of ignorance that you spew on a regular basis is so frustrating...I can't even believe there are people like you just out there walking around. It's increasingly clear that modern science has completely eradicated natural selection.
RaceFace58 wrote:
Coming from someone who thinks you can negate charging ev’s by having solar panels on your roof.
Lots of people in Germany are already self sufficient. Solar roof, battery in the basement. Heat and cool their home with a heat pump and charge their car with what’s left.
Still a bit to expensive, but it’s coming.
My (rented) house has solar roof and battery, but not the heat pump.
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OrangeJuice158 10/19/2022 10:37am
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#434 wrote:
- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive - the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of...
- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive
- the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of their fuel. If range isn’t a concern, the electric motor outperforms it in every way.
- overall EVs will be a benefit to the energy grid because they will add a lot of storage capability to it. And the strain on the grid from charging EVs is smaller than one think. Check this: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-electric-vehicles-wont-break-the-grid/
My two cents.
Rosso391 wrote:
I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV...
I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV charging. People can't even run their A/C when its 90 degrees out. So clearly they strain the grid too much for people to use the grid on a "normal" EV charging level. Then you add in EV motorcycle charging along with your EV truck/car...not gonna happen. People will be running separate diesel powered generators for those chargers, completely negating the point of EVs "green" classification. Even though EV's are tremendously NOT GREEN. We use more diesel in the entire manufacturing process, especially the mining, than a diesel vehicle would produce in its lifetime. The entire EV fad is completely BS. Its not good for the environment. Make hydrogen cars. GM has an engine that the US government wont let them release to the public, and that was back in 2009. EV's in motocross just wont happen, plain and simple. Its not going to be a PRO class. Motocross is all about the sound, feel, and shifting. Its just not MOTO if its EV.
D.K.O.N. wrote:
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because...
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because there's 30 MILLION PEOPLE TRYING TO RUN AC!

EVs aren't nearly as big of a strain on the grid as people think...and hell...there's a very rapidly increasing number of people with EVs that aren't even on the grid. They have solar and energy storage systems right on their home. Literally ZERO impact to the grid.

Feel like you've been sniffing too much gas to see shit straight. Moving away from fossil fuels is a net positive change for the entire world. Deal with it.
How do EVs contribute to brown outs? Seems like the brown outs are caused by large peak to peak variation in the demand on really hot days. If anything bringing mean power draw up every day will help since utilities are not gonna spend money on generation they need 3 days a year.
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Rosso391 wrote:
I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV...
I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV charging. People can't even run their A/C when its 90 degrees out. So clearly they strain the grid too much for people to use the grid on a "normal" EV charging level. Then you add in EV motorcycle charging along with your EV truck/car...not gonna happen. People will be running separate diesel powered generators for those chargers, completely negating the point of EVs "green" classification. Even though EV's are tremendously NOT GREEN. We use more diesel in the entire manufacturing process, especially the mining, than a diesel vehicle would produce in its lifetime. The entire EV fad is completely BS. Its not good for the environment. Make hydrogen cars. GM has an engine that the US government wont let them release to the public, and that was back in 2009. EV's in motocross just wont happen, plain and simple. Its not going to be a PRO class. Motocross is all about the sound, feel, and shifting. Its just not MOTO if its EV.
D.K.O.N. wrote:
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because...
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because there's 30 MILLION PEOPLE TRYING TO RUN AC!

EVs aren't nearly as big of a strain on the grid as people think...and hell...there's a very rapidly increasing number of people with EVs that aren't even on the grid. They have solar and energy storage systems right on their home. Literally ZERO impact to the grid.

Feel like you've been sniffing too much gas to see shit straight. Moving away from fossil fuels is a net positive change for the entire world. Deal with it.
OrangeJuice158 wrote:
How do EVs contribute to brown outs? Seems like the brown outs are caused by large peak to peak variation in the demand on really hot...
How do EVs contribute to brown outs? Seems like the brown outs are caused by large peak to peak variation in the demand on really hot days. If anything bringing mean power draw up every day will help since utilities are not gonna spend money on generation they need 3 days a year.
I think you're responding to the wrong person. I never said EVs contribute to brown outs...I was disagreeing with the person that said they did.
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#434 wrote:
- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive - the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of...
- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive
- the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of their fuel. If range isn’t a concern, the electric motor outperforms it in every way.
- overall EVs will be a benefit to the energy grid because they will add a lot of storage capability to it. And the strain on the grid from charging EVs is smaller than one think. Check this: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-electric-vehicles-wont-break-the-grid/
My two cents.
Rosso391 wrote:
I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV...
I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV charging. People can't even run their A/C when its 90 degrees out. So clearly they strain the grid too much for people to use the grid on a "normal" EV charging level. Then you add in EV motorcycle charging along with your EV truck/car...not gonna happen. People will be running separate diesel powered generators for those chargers, completely negating the point of EVs "green" classification. Even though EV's are tremendously NOT GREEN. We use more diesel in the entire manufacturing process, especially the mining, than a diesel vehicle would produce in its lifetime. The entire EV fad is completely BS. Its not good for the environment. Make hydrogen cars. GM has an engine that the US government wont let them release to the public, and that was back in 2009. EV's in motocross just wont happen, plain and simple. Its not going to be a PRO class. Motocross is all about the sound, feel, and shifting. Its just not MOTO if its EV.
Bullshit.
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The real Sasquatch 10/19/2022 11:03am
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There are solar panel powered fast charging systems that can charge faster than the regular at home(220) chargers for Tesla cars. A friends Tesla was able to charge on my 220 outlet from 24% to 100 in about 8 hours and cost about $12 at the current rates. He drove over 200 miles to get here and started with a full charge. Next time he visits in the Tesla we are going to charge it off one of my Honda Inverter style generators to see what the real world MPG would be from that combo.So even using a generator to power it should result in much less gas used than most other similar sized/performing cars . I also think that EV's could help save the grid. As solar gets more and more efficient and more people start using it, the price will drop and it will snowball into more and more people using solar panels. With much less demand for grid power , unless you have a bunch of EV's that you need to charge that surpass the output of your solar. Even still I could see grid power going away almost totally. Maybe cities and places that there just is not enough space for solar panels would still have a need for grid power. Funny how people decided to post in this thread about silent electric bikes , but felt the need to go off topic in the thread made to talk about if they should be silent or not. But I guess that is Vital and the internet in general.
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I'm glad we were able to create a 2nd thread for this to allow double the arguments
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D.K.O.N. wrote:
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because...
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because there's 30 MILLION PEOPLE TRYING TO RUN AC!

EVs aren't nearly as big of a strain on the grid as people think...and hell...there's a very rapidly increasing number of people with EVs that aren't even on the grid. They have solar and energy storage systems right on their home. Literally ZERO impact to the grid.

Feel like you've been sniffing too much gas to see shit straight. Moving away from fossil fuels is a net positive change for the entire world. Deal with it.
So plugging up your EV in addition to the AC running won’t affect the grid? That must be some good stuff you are smoking!
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D.K.O.N. wrote:
I think you're responding to the wrong person. I never said EVs contribute to brown outs...I was disagreeing with the person that said they did.
finally, a post where you are not name calling or inferring someone is stupid one way or another because they disagree with your viewpoint.

how refreshing
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#434 wrote:
- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive - the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of...
- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive
- the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of their fuel. If range isn’t a concern, the electric motor outperforms it in every way.
- overall EVs will be a benefit to the energy grid because they will add a lot of storage capability to it. And the strain on the grid from charging EVs is smaller than one think. Check this: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-electric-vehicles-wont-break-the-grid/
My two cents.
Rosso391 wrote:
I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV...
I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV charging. People can't even run their A/C when its 90 degrees out. So clearly they strain the grid too much for people to use the grid on a "normal" EV charging level. Then you add in EV motorcycle charging along with your EV truck/car...not gonna happen. People will be running separate diesel powered generators for those chargers, completely negating the point of EVs "green" classification. Even though EV's are tremendously NOT GREEN. We use more diesel in the entire manufacturing process, especially the mining, than a diesel vehicle would produce in its lifetime. The entire EV fad is completely BS. Its not good for the environment. Make hydrogen cars. GM has an engine that the US government wont let them release to the public, and that was back in 2009. EV's in motocross just wont happen, plain and simple. Its not going to be a PRO class. Motocross is all about the sound, feel, and shifting. Its just not MOTO if its EV.
In the bay area, we can opt in to exclusive electricity from the local wind farm.

The only electricity blackout I can remember are from the wild fires, themselves attributed to fossil fuels causing climate change.

I drive a diesel truck, and don't have a green agenda, but I can be objective.
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Here in the states most everything household runs on 110. We have 220v for dryers and ovens. The fact that 110 can’t keep up with the...
Here in the states most everything household runs on 110. We have 220v for dryers and ovens. The fact that 110 can’t keep up with the drain on a Tesla when it’s below freezing is pretty ridiculous. Oh yeah don’t take these cars out in the cold! That range drops like a stone.
I see a lot of Tesla’s with Alaskan plates on them driving around BC, I guess they park them in the winter or more bullshit coming from chicken little?
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SGoodman 10/19/2022 11:42am
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Pssst- Here's the actual boil down

Electric is all about Lithium/China..... this is not about being eco-friendly... not about efficiency.... this is about mountains of $$$$$ going to China...

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#434 wrote:
Lots of people in Germany are already self sufficient. Solar roof, battery in the basement. Heat and cool their home with a heat pump and charge...
Lots of people in Germany are already self sufficient. Solar roof, battery in the basement. Heat and cool their home with a heat pump and charge their car with what’s left.
Still a bit to expensive, but it’s coming.
My (rented) house has solar roof and battery, but not the heat pump.
Big deal. Don't you know us Americans only care about what is going on here? (Sarcasm alert)

Proud of your country for many reasons and you've just given me another. I knew Germany had shut down all of the nuclear reactors but didn't know what you just shared. Keep up the good work.
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D.K.O.N. 10/19/2022 11:50am
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D.K.O.N. wrote:
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because...
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because there's 30 MILLION PEOPLE TRYING TO RUN AC!

EVs aren't nearly as big of a strain on the grid as people think...and hell...there's a very rapidly increasing number of people with EVs that aren't even on the grid. They have solar and energy storage systems right on their home. Literally ZERO impact to the grid.

Feel like you've been sniffing too much gas to see shit straight. Moving away from fossil fuels is a net positive change for the entire world. Deal with it.
mx317 wrote:
So plugging up your EV in addition to the AC running won’t affect the grid? That must be some good stuff you are smoking!
You must have missed the part about renewable energy and the capability to store that energy at your house. All technology which exists today, in abundance.
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D.K.O.N. 10/19/2022 11:51am
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D.K.O.N. wrote:
I think you're responding to the wrong person. I never said EVs contribute to brown outs...I was disagreeing with the person that said they did.
JustMX wrote:
finally, a post where you are not name calling or inferring someone is stupid one way or another because they disagree with your viewpoint.

how refreshing
My sincerest apologies internet stranger. I have a deeply rooted, abhorrent disdain for unfettered ignorance.
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OrangeJuice158 10/19/2022 11:53am
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D.K.O.N. wrote:
I think you're responding to the wrong person. I never said EVs contribute to brown outs...I was disagreeing with the person that said they did.
JustMX wrote:
finally, a post where you are not name calling or inferring someone is stupid one way or another because they disagree with your viewpoint.

how refreshing
Well we were actually agreeing.
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D.K.O.N. wrote:
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because...
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because there's 30 MILLION PEOPLE TRYING TO RUN AC!

EVs aren't nearly as big of a strain on the grid as people think...and hell...there's a very rapidly increasing number of people with EVs that aren't even on the grid. They have solar and energy storage systems right on their home. Literally ZERO impact to the grid.

Feel like you've been sniffing too much gas to see shit straight. Moving away from fossil fuels is a net positive change for the entire world. Deal with it.
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So plugging up your EV in addition to the AC running won’t affect the grid? That must be some good stuff you are smoking!
D.K.O.N. wrote:
You must have missed the part about renewable energy and the capability to store that energy at your house. All technology which exists today, in abundance.
The technology does exist, but how many currently process it?
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D.K.O.N. 10/19/2022 11:58am
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I think you're responding to the wrong person. I never said EVs contribute to brown outs...I was disagreeing with the person that said they did.
JustMX wrote:
finally, a post where you are not name calling or inferring someone is stupid one way or another because they disagree with your viewpoint.

how refreshing
And side note: I don't call someone ignorant for disagreeing with me. I call them ignorant for being so, hopelessly, confidently wrong. There are opinions, and then there are facts. Feel free to argue opinions all day, but when you blatantly ignore facts for the sake of your false reality, I'm going to call you on it. Plain and simple.

The person in question has been littering the boards with falsehoods and pompous, arrogant ignorance for the last few days. I think it's ok to call them on it.
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OrangeJuice158 10/19/2022 12:00pm
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- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive - the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of...
- fuel will always be available, but will become more and more expensive
- the only great thing about ICEs is the high energy density of their fuel. If range isn’t a concern, the electric motor outperforms it in every way.
- overall EVs will be a benefit to the energy grid because they will add a lot of storage capability to it. And the strain on the grid from charging EVs is smaller than one think. Check this: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-electric-vehicles-wont-break-the-grid/
My two cents.
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I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV...
I do believe you are very wrong about the EV's being a "benefit" to the grid. California has brown outs constantly because of all the EV charging. People can't even run their A/C when its 90 degrees out. So clearly they strain the grid too much for people to use the grid on a "normal" EV charging level. Then you add in EV motorcycle charging along with your EV truck/car...not gonna happen. People will be running separate diesel powered generators for those chargers, completely negating the point of EVs "green" classification. Even though EV's are tremendously NOT GREEN. We use more diesel in the entire manufacturing process, especially the mining, than a diesel vehicle would produce in its lifetime. The entire EV fad is completely BS. Its not good for the environment. Make hydrogen cars. GM has an engine that the US government wont let them release to the public, and that was back in 2009. EV's in motocross just wont happen, plain and simple. Its not going to be a PRO class. Motocross is all about the sound, feel, and shifting. Its just not MOTO if its EV.
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In the bay area, we can opt in to exclusive electricity from the local wind farm. The only electricity blackout I can remember are from the...
In the bay area, we can opt in to exclusive electricity from the local wind farm.

The only electricity blackout I can remember are from the wild fires, themselves attributed to fossil fuels causing climate change.

I drive a diesel truck, and don't have a green agenda, but I can be objective.
I agree. It seems like EVs and solar are taking off in popularity not because of the green agenda but because they make sense financially for more and more people.
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mx317 wrote:
So plugging up your EV in addition to the AC running won’t affect the grid? That must be some good stuff you are smoking!
D.K.O.N. wrote:
You must have missed the part about renewable energy and the capability to store that energy at your house. All technology which exists today, in abundance.
mx317 wrote:
The technology does exist, but how many currently process it?
I'm guessing you mean "posses" it?

If so, quite a few honestly. You can get battery systems for your house and an entire solar array wrapped into your mortgage these days. It's certainly not the norm at this point, but it's becoming less cost prohibitive and far more accessible. To say that EVs are going to overwhelm the grid due to charging is just simply boogey man syndrome for people that are uninformed.
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D.K.O.N. wrote:
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because...
I do believe you're talking out of your ass. Cali doesn't have brown outs because of EV's you smooth brained nimwit. Cali has brown outs because there's 30 MILLION PEOPLE TRYING TO RUN AC!

EVs aren't nearly as big of a strain on the grid as people think...and hell...there's a very rapidly increasing number of people with EVs that aren't even on the grid. They have solar and energy storage systems right on their home. Literally ZERO impact to the grid.

Feel like you've been sniffing too much gas to see shit straight. Moving away from fossil fuels is a net positive change for the entire world. Deal with it.
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So plugging up your EV in addition to the AC running won’t affect the grid? That must be some good stuff you are smoking!
Nobody charges EVs when the AC is going though. In reality they are pretty decoupled, at least on the west coast. We don’t have an energy (kWh) problem we have a power (kW) problem that leads to blackouts.
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D.K.O.N. wrote:
I'm guessing you mean "posses" it? If so, quite a few honestly. You can get battery systems for your house and an entire solar array wrapped...
I'm guessing you mean "posses" it?

If so, quite a few honestly. You can get battery systems for your house and an entire solar array wrapped into your mortgage these days. It's certainly not the norm at this point, but it's becoming less cost prohibitive and far more accessible. To say that EVs are going to overwhelm the grid due to charging is just simply boogey man syndrome for people that are uninformed.
No I actually meant possess.
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D.K.O.N. 10/19/2022 12:12pm
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D.K.O.N. wrote:
I'm guessing you mean "posses" it? If so, quite a few honestly. You can get battery systems for your house and an entire solar array wrapped...
I'm guessing you mean "posses" it?

If so, quite a few honestly. You can get battery systems for your house and an entire solar array wrapped into your mortgage these days. It's certainly not the norm at this point, but it's becoming less cost prohibitive and far more accessible. To say that EVs are going to overwhelm the grid due to charging is just simply boogey man syndrome for people that are uninformed.
mx317 wrote:
No I actually meant possess.
lmao...touché.
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OrangeJuice158 wrote:
I agree. It seems like EVs and solar are taking off in popularity not because of the green agenda but because they make sense financially for...
I agree. It seems like EVs and solar are taking off in popularity not because of the green agenda but because they make sense financially for more and more people.
True, though currently part of that affordability is due to government subsidization.
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