Could Mitch compete in the 450 class

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Edited Date/Time 10/23/2022 4:24am
Hypothetically speaking... What if Mitch and Ken put together a Kawasaki Pro Circuit 450 Program?

Do you guys think they would have what it takes to win a championship in the first year? Obviously, Ken
would have to do the winning, but more so, is Mitch capable of running a 450 outfit if he chose to and be 100% competitive with the Factory Teams? I believe he could, and I think it could be in the first year of operation...

Thoughts?

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I had similar thoughts but realistically too much red tape to get through. Kenny would have to dump redbull, which he can, and I don't think if ken wanted to keep redbull that mitch could run a team with them. I feel as though he has too close ties to monster at this point.
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Hes very capable. He owns the most successful team in the history of the sport. The real question is, whats going to be the difference in pro circuit kawi and mek?
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caviar&cigarettes338 10/15/2022 9:57am
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What about the monster redbull conflict? Mitch title sponsor is monster and Roczen is lifetime Redbull athlete since he was on minis. It could work if it was like Reed team 22 type deal. Roczen puts the team together and Mitch builds the bikes. But I can’t see it being a monster Kawasaki Mitch funded team
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Think he said in the past the cost would be too much, he has helped in the past tho
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Only if Kawi supported it.
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As far as knowlege goes, yes.

Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year.

I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the right rider on one of PC’s ”factory” bikes could.

Remember that it’s more work to build a competetive 250 than a 450.


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RaceFace58 10/15/2022 10:25am
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No wouldn’t have what it takes to win a championship with Ken on the bike.
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scott_nz 10/15/2022 10:31am
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Tumic wrote:
As far as knowlege goes, yes. Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year. I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the...
As far as knowlege goes, yes.

Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year.

I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the right rider on one of PC’s ”factory” bikes could.

Remember that it’s more work to build a competetive 250 than a 450.


He also ran tickle on a 450 for a year
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caviar&cigarettes338 10/15/2022 10:35am
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Tumic wrote:
As far as knowlege goes, yes. Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year. I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the...
As far as knowlege goes, yes.

Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year.

I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the right rider on one of PC’s ”factory” bikes could.

Remember that it’s more work to build a competetive 250 than a 450.


Didn’t he have no choice but run a 250 sx or brown would have to sit out of sx because he was pointed out of the 125 class and couldn’t race 125sx ?. And he was signed to the team race the 125 outdoors after he won them the 01 125 mx title. Mitch gave he a two year deal knowing he would have to let brown race a 250 sx so he could have him for 125 outdoors
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Kawasaki pays Mitch to race 250s, why would they want him racing 450s?
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caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:
Didn’t he have no choice but run a 250 sx or brown would have to sit out of sx because he was pointed out of the...
Didn’t he have no choice but run a 250 sx or brown would have to sit out of sx because he was pointed out of the 125 class and couldn’t race 125sx ?. And he was signed to the team race the 125 outdoors after he won them the 01 125 mx title. Mitch gave he a two year deal knowing he would have to let brown race a 250 sx so he could have him for 125 outdoors
I don’t remember why, just that he did.
caviar&cigarettes338 10/15/2022 11:01am
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Tumic wrote:
As far as knowlege goes, yes. Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year. I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the...
As far as knowlege goes, yes.

Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year.

I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the right rider on one of PC’s ”factory” bikes could.

Remember that it’s more work to build a competetive 250 than a 450.


scott_nz wrote:
He also ran tickle on a 450 for a year
Was it same deal as Brown, Tickle was pointed out of 125sx and had to race 450sx to have him for 125/250f outdoors?
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GoonSquad250x 10/15/2022 11:02am
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rawjahdesigns wrote:
Hypothetically speaking... What if Mitch and Ken put together a Kawasaki Pro Circuit 450 Program? Do you guys think they would have what it takes to...
Hypothetically speaking... What if Mitch and Ken put together a Kawasaki Pro Circuit 450 Program?

Do you guys think they would have what it takes to win a championship in the first year? Obviously, Ken
would have to do the winning, but more so, is Mitch capable of running a 450 outfit if he chose to and be 100% competitive with the Factory Teams? I believe he could, and I think it could be in the first year of operation...

Thoughts?

I Remember Mitch built that KX450F some years back for Tickle That bike was competitive because I remember him doing good that season.
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caviar&cigarettes338 10/15/2022 11:10am
10/15/2022 11:10am Edited Date/Time 10/15/2022 11:11am
rawjahdesigns wrote:
Hypothetically speaking... What if Mitch and Ken put together a Kawasaki Pro Circuit 450 Program? Do you guys think they would have what it takes to...
Hypothetically speaking... What if Mitch and Ken put together a Kawasaki Pro Circuit 450 Program?

Do you guys think they would have what it takes to win a championship in the first year? Obviously, Ken
would have to do the winning, but more so, is Mitch capable of running a 450 outfit if he chose to and be 100% competitive with the Factory Teams? I believe he could, and I think it could be in the first year of operation...

Thoughts?

GoonSquad250x wrote:
I Remember Mitch built that KX450F some years back for Tickle That bike was competitive because I remember him doing good that season.
This was in 2012 Broc had one more year on his procircuit contract but pointed out of 125/250f sx class so Mitch couldn’t just kick him to the curb and built him a 450 and let him race 450sx and then Broc drop back down to the 250 for outdoors
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Johnny Ringo 10/15/2022 11:14am
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Tumic wrote:
As far as knowlege goes, yes. Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year. I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the...
As far as knowlege goes, yes.

Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year.

I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the right rider on one of PC’s ”factory” bikes could.

Remember that it’s more work to build a competetive 250 than a 450.


Brown was west coast only 250. He rode 125E that year
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caviar&cigarettes338 10/15/2022 11:15am
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Tumic wrote:
As far as knowlege goes, yes. Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year. I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the...
As far as knowlege goes, yes.

Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year.

I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the right rider on one of PC’s ”factory” bikes could.

Remember that it’s more work to build a competetive 250 than a 450.


scott_nz wrote:
He also ran tickle on a 450 for a year
He had no choice as above he had a year left on his procircuit contract in 2012 and pointed out of the 125/250fsx Mitch couldn’t kick him to the curb so he raced 450sx and drop back down outdoor
caviar&cigarettes338 10/15/2022 11:19am
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Tumic wrote:
As far as knowlege goes, yes. Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year. I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the...
As far as knowlege goes, yes.

Mike Brown ran a PC250 alongside the 125 team one year.

I don’t see Ken winning a championship, but the right rider on one of PC’s ”factory” bikes could.

Remember that it’s more work to build a competetive 250 than a 450.


Johnny Ringo wrote:
Brown was west coast only 250. He rode 125E that year
He did it 02 and 03 I thought the one year he was pointed out like Broc in 2012 he still had a contract time left on his PC contract
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Mitch could build anything or any brand to be competitive. But who would fund it for them ?
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rawjahdesigns wrote:
Hypothetically speaking... What if Mitch and Ken put together a Kawasaki Pro Circuit 450 Program? Do you guys think they would have what it takes to...
Hypothetically speaking... What if Mitch and Ken put together a Kawasaki Pro Circuit 450 Program?

Do you guys think they would have what it takes to win a championship in the first year? Obviously, Ken
would have to do the winning, but more so, is Mitch capable of running a 450 outfit if he chose to and be 100% competitive with the Factory Teams? I believe he could, and I think it could be in the first year of operation...

Thoughts?

I was thinking the same exact thing. How cool would that be
motokiwi 10/15/2022 11:52am
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If anyone could - it would be Mitch. But not with KR... Maybe with Ferrandis or someone else who eats, breathes and shits supercross
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scott_nz 10/15/2022 12:02pm
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caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:
Was it same deal as Brown, Tickle was pointed out of 125sx and had to race 450sx to have him for 125/250f outdoors?
He ran 450 outdoors too from memory
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caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:
Was it same deal as Brown, Tickle was pointed out of 125sx and had to race 450sx to have him for 125/250f outdoors?
scott_nz wrote:
He ran 450 outdoors too from memory
Tickle raced a 450 PC Kawi outdoors in 2012.





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Can he? Absolutely. He's proven that by supporting non-factory teams and running his own guys when the situation demands. But in the end Kawi pays him to run a 250 feeder program. It's not in his or Kawi's best interest to compete full time at the 450 level in direct competition with the factory.
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WhatsStoppingU 10/15/2022 1:14pm
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Hes very capable. He owns the most successful team in the history of the sport. The real question is, whats going to be the difference in...
Hes very capable. He owns the most successful team in the history of the sport. The real question is, whats going to be the difference in pro circuit kawi and mek?
Well, that’s a bold statement considering the team that, save for a few very rare circumstances that have already been mentioned, does not and has not ever competed in the premier class.
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caviar&cigarettes338 10/15/2022 1:33pm
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caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:
Was it same deal as Brown, Tickle was pointed out of 125sx and had to race 450sx to have him for 125/250f outdoors?
scott_nz wrote:
He ran 450 outdoors too from memory
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Tickle raced a 450 PC Kawi outdoors in 2012. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/15/573191/s1200_Broc_Tickle_Budds_Creek_1.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/15/573192/s1200_Broc_Tickle_Unadilla_1.jpg[/img]
Tickle raced a 450 PC Kawi outdoors in 2012.





That’s my bad I thought he drop back down for outdoors . But the whole reason he was on 450 was because he had year left on contract and was pointed out of sx . I don’t think Mitch would of did this if he wasn’t pointed out and didn’t have year left on contract. Quote from Broc from racerx on racing 450. Pretty cool Mitch to let him ride 450 outdoors also . He really helps his riders and sticks by them.

“Well basically, I had a two-year deal with them last year, and I think everything is pretty much staying the same. It’ll be under their truck, there’s not much of a change at all. It’s a 450 outdoors, too. They asked me if I wanted to ride a 250 outdoors, and I figured if I’m going to ride a 450 in supercross, I might as well ride a 450 outdoors too”
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caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:
Was it same deal as Brown, Tickle was pointed out of 125sx and had to race 450sx to have him for 125/250f outdoors?
scott_nz wrote:
He ran 450 outdoors too from memory
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Tickle raced a 450 PC Kawi outdoors in 2012. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/15/573191/s1200_Broc_Tickle_Budds_Creek_1.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/15/573192/s1200_Broc_Tickle_Unadilla_1.jpg[/img]
Tickle raced a 450 PC Kawi outdoors in 2012.





Rattray also raced a 450 PC bike in 2013 I believe
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Kawasaki will not give mitch budget for a 450 rider.
So it would count roczen out.
All other riders mentioned have already been contracted so their contract is part of the 250 budget.
Then the cost is covered by mitch which isn't much. Just building a bike that he already has all the resources to build.
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Star did it
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ElliotB16 wrote:
Star did it
Because Yamaha had them run the 450 operation. Your point is?
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Mitch Built Chad's bikes in 2011 and he was plenty competitive
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