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c0ncEpT 10/14/2022 6:32am
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I think people are sleeping on Webb. When he's healthy, fit, and confident he can run with anyone. I wouldn't be surprised to see him fighting for wins every weekend.
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c0ncEpT wrote:
I think people are sleeping on Webb. When he's healthy, fit, and confident he can run with anyone. I wouldn't be surprised to see him fighting...
I think people are sleeping on Webb. When he's healthy, fit, and confident he can run with anyone. I wouldn't be surprised to see him fighting for wins every weekend.
Yeah, when he is and when the riders he race against is not.
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lumpy790 10/14/2022 6:58am
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Supercross is a mental game.

When Webb is mentally on his game he fights for the win. No rider leading on the last lap wants to see Webb behind them. He has the speed and will find a line to pass for the win. Tomac really isn’t much different. When he is on it he can win.

With 5 or 6 potential winners we all win!
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Paul has talked about burn out... going back to the burn out factory could not have helped.. however, Webb is tenacious, and after being benched all summer, he just might be ready to really send it in SX... but man, ET3, DF14, El Hombre, and Chase are gonna be flying...
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Mick 22 10/14/2022 7:57am
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I give him little to no chance of taking the SX title, but am not saying that it is impossible.


AC will be back to provide the biggest challenge to 3, 21. 23 and 25, but will not be up to speed from the start.


Until he shows consistent 450 SX speed, is 14 to be considered a title contender?
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lumpy790 wrote:
Supercross is a mental game. When Webb is mentally on his game he fights for the win. No rider leading on the last lap wants to...
Supercross is a mental game.

When Webb is mentally on his game he fights for the win. No rider leading on the last lap wants to see Webb behind them. He has the speed and will find a line to pass for the win. Tomac really isn’t much different. When he is on it he can win.

With 5 or 6 potential winners we all win!
Those 5-6 winners we talk about each year usualy ends up being 1-2 winners after round 5..
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wreckitrandy 10/14/2022 9:14am
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drok577 wrote:
Just wondering how you guys think Webb will stack up next year. Of course the bike wasnt perfect and his fitness was way off, but he...
Just wondering how you guys think Webb will stack up next year.
Of course the bike wasnt perfect and his fitness was way off, but he wasnt very close last year.
Also im curious as to how big of a factor the whoops not being jumpable had to do with his results.
Even in his 2 championship years he was rarely the fastest guy, but he won a lot.
I'm sure he is pissed off with a chip on his shoulder, so itll make for an interesting year, thoughts?
It still boggles my feeble mind how you can come from behind and pass the 'fastest' rider for the win, late in the race, and not be the fastest guy...? Must be some of that common core math.
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zehn 10/14/2022 9:16am
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It still boggles my feeble mind how you can come from behind and pass the 'fastest' rider for the win, late in the race, and not...
It still boggles my feeble mind how you can come from behind and pass the 'fastest' rider for the win, late in the race, and not be the fastest guy...? Must be some of that common core math.
How many years ago was that? And what rider did he pass?
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LMAO. The haters are out in full force as usual.

Please show us on the doll where Webb hurt you.... Laughing


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I'm not a Webb fan in the slightest, but one bad year isn't going to make me think he's done. He always seems to find a way to make it happen when I doubt him most. To say he was never as fast just seems silly, one of the best SX races I've ever seen was the muddy 2020 SLC round, where he and Eli battled to the last lap, lapping almost everyone else.

His off year last year could have multiple explanations that may or may not get remedied. His biggest strength was being able to turn down out of corners early when the main lines got bombed out, and the new bike was longer/more stable, so that played against his main strength. Are the whoops going to be nasty again this year? When everyone else started jumping them, it hid one of his biggest weaknesses. Was he really out of shape, or was it a combo of a lot of different things? Will going back to Aldon help, or put the nail in the coffin? Who knows, but I'm not putting money on him not being a factor.

All that being said, I don't think he has Eli, Chase, or Anderson speed. But I won't be surprised if he still manages to find a way to get to the finish line before them.
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#434 10/14/2022 9:36am
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If somebody shows him how to ride whoops, he may get on the podium here and there.
Seriously, I think he won’t be able to run the pace of Eli and Chase.
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drok577 wrote:
Just wondering how you guys think Webb will stack up next year. Of course the bike wasnt perfect and his fitness was way off, but he...
Just wondering how you guys think Webb will stack up next year.
Of course the bike wasnt perfect and his fitness was way off, but he wasnt very close last year.
Also im curious as to how big of a factor the whoops not being jumpable had to do with his results.
Even in his 2 championship years he was rarely the fastest guy, but he won a lot.
I'm sure he is pissed off with a chip on his shoulder, so itll make for an interesting year, thoughts?
wreckitrandy wrote:
It still boggles my feeble mind how you can come from behind and pass the 'fastest' rider for the win, late in the race, and not...
It still boggles my feeble mind how you can come from behind and pass the 'fastest' rider for the win, late in the race, and not be the fastest guy...? Must be some of that common core math.
Its because who he's passing there lap time is getting slower and he's staying the same pace. He might not have the fastest lap in a race but look an someone like roczen even tho he had a faster lap he fades at the end so webbs laps average out a little faster
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zehn 10/14/2022 9:45am
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In reality, Webb’s biggest strengths are good starts and riding a wide bike at a decent pace. That formula worked for him for a majority of his wins. Yeah he makes good line choice decisions and evolves with the track but what got him his championships were his starts
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CPan 10/14/2022 9:55am
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SGoodman wrote:
Paul has talked about burn out... going back to the burn out factory could not have helped.. however, Webb is tenacious, and after being benched all...
Paul has talked about burn out... going back to the burn out factory could not have helped.. however, Webb is tenacious, and after being benched all summer, he just might be ready to really send it in SX... but man, ET3, DF14, El Hombre, and Chase are gonna be flying...
I don’t think Webb will be a title threat. Probably a 3-5 guy (wouldn’t be surprised to be proven wrong). But what on earth makes you think DF14 is going to be anywhere near a contender?
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c0ncEpT wrote:
I think people are sleeping on Webb. When he's healthy, fit, and confident he can run with anyone. I wouldn't be surprised to see him fighting...
I think people are sleeping on Webb. When he's healthy, fit, and confident he can run with anyone. I wouldn't be surprised to see him fighting for wins every weekend.
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Yeah, when he is and when the riders he race against is not.
I don't understand this mindset?

Cooper was 2nd I think 3 times last year? And people think he won't be in the hunt for wins/championships?

I see no reason why he can't win races and another title. you don't luck into 2 SX titles.
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-MAVERICK- 10/14/2022 10:09am
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SGoodman wrote:
Paul has talked about burn out... going back to the burn out factory could not have helped.. however, Webb is tenacious, and after being benched all...
Paul has talked about burn out... going back to the burn out factory could not have helped.. however, Webb is tenacious, and after being benched all summer, he just might be ready to really send it in SX... but man, ET3, DF14, El Hombre, and Chase are gonna be flying...
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I don’t think Webb will be a title threat. Probably a 3-5 guy (wouldn’t be surprised to be proven wrong). But what on earth makes you...
I don’t think Webb will be a title threat. Probably a 3-5 guy (wouldn’t be surprised to be proven wrong). But what on earth makes you think DF14 is going to be anywhere near a contender?
Ferrandis struggled with setting up the old bike for supercross and never got comfortable. Despite that he still managed to qualify fastest, so he's got the speed to be at the front. Problem was doing it consistently. When you're not comfortable that's difficult to do.

The issues he had are apparently fixed with the new bike and that's allowing him to set it up and ride it the way he wants.

If that's the case and he can get comfortable, I won't be shocked if he's a title contender. He's a 2x 250 SX champ for a reason.

We'll see.
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CPan 10/14/2022 10:20am
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Ferrandis struggled with setting up the old bike for supercross and never got comfortable. Despite that he still managed to qualify fastest, so he's got the...
Ferrandis struggled with setting up the old bike for supercross and never got comfortable. Despite that he still managed to qualify fastest, so he's got the speed to be at the front. Problem was doing it consistently. When you're not comfortable that's difficult to do.

The issues he had are apparently fixed with the new bike and that's allowing him to set it up and ride it the way he wants.

If that's the case and he can get comfortable, I won't be shocked if he's a title contender. He's a 2x 250 SX champ for a reason.

We'll see.
I would agree if Eli didn’t get on the same bike last year and dominate. Same with Chase and Kenny, tough for one guy to blame bike setup when the other guy is ripping on the same equipment.

As for his 2x 250 Sx championships, he wouldn’t be the first 250 champ to never live up to 450 expectations (SX only, DF14 is a beast outdoors).
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Dirt.Squirt 10/14/2022 10:28am
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He won’t have anything for tomac but will win a few rounds and end up 2-3 on the season depending on how many times sexton sextons
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TBOLTUSA 10/14/2022 10:48am
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Dude killed it during his 450 SX championship years
great starts , impossible to pass and super strong late in the races
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CPan wrote:
I would agree if Eli didn’t get on the same bike last year and dominate. Same with Chase and Kenny, tough for one guy to blame...
I would agree if Eli didn’t get on the same bike last year and dominate. Same with Chase and Kenny, tough for one guy to blame bike setup when the other guy is ripping on the same equipment.

As for his 2x 250 Sx championships, he wouldn’t be the first 250 champ to never live up to 450 expectations (SX only, DF14 is a beast outdoors).
Just because they ride the same bike it doesn't mean that what works for one guy works for the other. Different riding style requires different setups.

Tomac is also a bigger guy than Ferrandis.
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plowboy 10/14/2022 11:17am
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Webb is kinda like the Dallas Cowboys...don't bet on 'em...and don't bet against 'em. When he's on his game...he probably has the best race craft in the sport.
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Magoofan wrote:
3rd title coming.... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/10/13/573007/s1200_assassin8.jpg[/img]
3rd title coming....



Undefeated! STAMP IT!
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Johnny Ringo 10/14/2022 11:26am
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SGoodman wrote:
Paul has talked about burn out... going back to the burn out factory could not have helped.. however, Webb is tenacious, and after being benched all...
Paul has talked about burn out... going back to the burn out factory could not have helped.. however, Webb is tenacious, and after being benched all summer, he just might be ready to really send it in SX... but man, ET3, DF14, El Hombre, and Chase are gonna be flying...
CPan wrote:
I don’t think Webb will be a title threat. Probably a 3-5 guy (wouldn’t be surprised to be proven wrong). But what on earth makes you...
I don’t think Webb will be a title threat. Probably a 3-5 guy (wouldn’t be surprised to be proven wrong). But what on earth makes you think DF14 is going to be anywhere near a contender?
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Ferrandis struggled with setting up the old bike for supercross and never got comfortable. Despite that he still managed to qualify fastest, so he's got the...
Ferrandis struggled with setting up the old bike for supercross and never got comfortable. Despite that he still managed to qualify fastest, so he's got the speed to be at the front. Problem was doing it consistently. When you're not comfortable that's difficult to do.

The issues he had are apparently fixed with the new bike and that's allowing him to set it up and ride it the way he wants.

If that's the case and he can get comfortable, I won't be shocked if he's a title contender. He's a 2x 250 SX champ for a reason.

We'll see.
DF could end up like GL, only get that 450 outdoor title as a rookie and no 450 SX wins. But GL did get cut short due to his eye. But I also don’t see him necessarily snagging a win over Stew/Chad/RV back then, either.
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ACBailey89 10/14/2022 11:31am
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plowboy wrote:
Webb is kinda like the Dallas Cowboys...don't bet on 'em...and don't bet against 'em. When he's on his game...he probably has the best race craft in...
Webb is kinda like the Dallas Cowboys...don't bet on 'em...and don't bet against 'em. When he's on his game...he probably has the best race craft in the sport.
Cowboys haven’t been good in years. So pretty sure you could bet against them and be fine. Webb however seems to win every other year so far since switching to KTM could be he likes odd years who knows.
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Johnny Ringo 10/14/2022 11:32am
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Ferrandis struggled with setting up the old bike for supercross and never got comfortable. Despite that he still managed to qualify fastest, so he's got the...
Ferrandis struggled with setting up the old bike for supercross and never got comfortable. Despite that he still managed to qualify fastest, so he's got the speed to be at the front. Problem was doing it consistently. When you're not comfortable that's difficult to do.

The issues he had are apparently fixed with the new bike and that's allowing him to set it up and ride it the way he wants.

If that's the case and he can get comfortable, I won't be shocked if he's a title contender. He's a 2x 250 SX champ for a reason.

We'll see.
CPan wrote:
I would agree if Eli didn’t get on the same bike last year and dominate. Same with Chase and Kenny, tough for one guy to blame...
I would agree if Eli didn’t get on the same bike last year and dominate. Same with Chase and Kenny, tough for one guy to blame bike setup when the other guy is ripping on the same equipment.

As for his 2x 250 Sx championships, he wouldn’t be the first 250 champ to never live up to 450 expectations (SX only, DF14 is a beast outdoors).
Handful of 2X Regional Champs without a 450 SX win, it happens

Swink
Pichon
GL
Tedesco
Ernie
Pourcel
motokiwi 10/14/2022 11:50am
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This SX season is Sextons to lose.

Webb can only play defense until he gets back on a Jap bike.

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ATKpilot99 10/14/2022 11:52am
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In all seriousness I wouldn't be surprised if he won the title . I also wouldn't be surprised if he's a 5th place guy .
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Tumic 10/14/2022 12:08pm
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motokiwi wrote:
This SX season is Sextons to lose.

Webb can only play defense until he gets back on a Jap bike.

Yeah, because he was great on that Yamaha.
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Gordon Liddy 10/14/2022 12:28pm
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I don’t see Webb magically finding the speed to contend with Tomac, Sexton and Anderson. His time is more than likely passed. He’s made millions, good...
I don’t see Webb magically finding the speed to contend with Tomac, Sexton and Anderson. His time is more than likely passed. He’s made millions, good for him
He had the speed before to beat all of those guys. He slacked on his preparing last year due to burn out. If his mind is right and he is serious about preparing for 23, then he can beat all of those guys once again, and win.
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He had the speed before to beat all of those guys. He slacked on his preparing last year due to burn out. If his mind is...
He had the speed before to beat all of those guys. He slacked on his preparing last year due to burn out. If his mind is right and he is serious about preparing for 23, then he can beat all of those guys once again, and win.
Yes! Correct!

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