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davofukya 10/8/2022 12:55pm
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ML512 wrote:
Two strikes for Joseph there. Wrong second place finisher and told them to pop the champagne before they handed out trophies. Right as the FIM guys...
Two strikes for Joseph there. Wrong second place finisher and told them to pop the champagne before they handed out trophies. Right as the FIM guys was about to hand them out. Whoops...
What’s your overall opinion ML of the first event ?
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KONG 10/8/2022 12:59pm
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I have the feeling WSX already lost quite a few riders.
Dry
Reed, Starling, Wilson? Who else?
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Is there gonna be an ad break soon? I'm busting for a piss
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Re: commercials:


I wonder if the reason that this is on a tape-delay in the US is because of the lack of downtime for commercial breaks?

Surely that has to change if they're going racing in the US next year?
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gt757 10/8/2022 3:10pm
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KONG wrote:
I have the feeling WSX already lost quite a few riders.
Dry
Reed, Starling, Wilson? Who else?
Grant I think is out too
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KONG 10/8/2022 3:13pm
10/8/2022 3:13pm Edited Date/Time 10/8/2022 3:14pm
There were quite a few big get-offs, hope it's not too bad for most guys.
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DonM 10/8/2022 3:19pm
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KONG wrote:
I have the feeling WSX already lost quite a few riders.
Dry
Reed, Starling, Wilson? Who else?
gt757 wrote:
Grant I think is out too
And Clout too….
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Walsh was a wild card but his hand got run over pretty good.
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ML512 10/8/2022 3:27pm
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ML512 wrote:
Two strikes for Joseph there. Wrong second place finisher and told them to pop the champagne before they handed out trophies. Right as the FIM guys...
Two strikes for Joseph there. Wrong second place finisher and told them to pop the champagne before they handed out trophies. Right as the FIM guys was about to hand them out. Whoops...
davofukya wrote:
What’s your overall opinion ML of the first event ?
Love the back-to-back races. I love Superpole. Do a SX2 SuperPole please!

Mixed on production quality. I think bios and certain things looked better than US...but the series needs to figure out if they want to portray "This is the first ever World Supercross Championship" or is it a continuation of prior records from FIM Supercross.

You can't say it's the first ever World Supercross series one minute and like 10 seconds later say Jeff Emig was the 1996 FIM World Supercross series. Pick one or the other, it looks and sounds lame / petty.

I'm not super thrilled on broadcast team mistakes, Ralph and Jeff don't make me nostalgic. If they want to be innovative, get new talent. Go for James Stewart, do something different! Rehashing what US SX had five years ago is not innovative.

New camera views on bikes is an idea I like in practice but their application was poor.

Track layout was basic but decent racing, dirt wasn't great. I think prep/dirt quality was the majority of the injuries.

SX2 class is chaos, but some pretty solid racing...makes me wish they hadn't hired two big names in WSX so the racing was more even.

I don't care for Joseph Allen...at all.
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ML512 wrote:
Two strikes for Joseph there. Wrong second place finisher and told them to pop the champagne before they handed out trophies. Right as the FIM guys...
Two strikes for Joseph there. Wrong second place finisher and told them to pop the champagne before they handed out trophies. Right as the FIM guys was about to hand them out. Whoops...
davofukya wrote:
What’s your overall opinion ML of the first event ?
ML512 wrote:
Love the back-to-back races. I love Superpole. Do a SX2 SuperPole please! Mixed on production quality. I think bios and certain things looked better than US...but...
Love the back-to-back races. I love Superpole. Do a SX2 SuperPole please!

Mixed on production quality. I think bios and certain things looked better than US...but the series needs to figure out if they want to portray "This is the first ever World Supercross Championship" or is it a continuation of prior records from FIM Supercross.

You can't say it's the first ever World Supercross series one minute and like 10 seconds later say Jeff Emig was the 1996 FIM World Supercross series. Pick one or the other, it looks and sounds lame / petty.

I'm not super thrilled on broadcast team mistakes, Ralph and Jeff don't make me nostalgic. If they want to be innovative, get new talent. Go for James Stewart, do something different! Rehashing what US SX had five years ago is not innovative.

New camera views on bikes is an idea I like in practice but their application was poor.

Track layout was basic but decent racing, dirt wasn't great. I think prep/dirt quality was the majority of the injuries.

SX2 class is chaos, but some pretty solid racing...makes me wish they hadn't hired two big names in WSX so the racing was more even.

I don't care for Joseph Allen...at all.
Agreed on basically everything.

Ralph straight up sucks.

Emig is solid and lives this stuff.

The depth is severely lacking. The crashes were chaos at times. Like 250c local race level.
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Roczen definitely had something for Eli, however his own mistake and starts killed him. Results were definitely too start dependent.
Shame we didn’t get to see the Tomac vs Roczen battle eventuate, but Eli showed his class yet again.

On a separate note, I thought it was impressive that Roczen was that fast (topped qualifying etc) on a bike with zero factory parts. Would be interesting to see him line up in ama SX next year on that bike vs the factory teams.
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aeffertz 10/8/2022 7:10pm
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Underwhelming races for Roczen. Was not expecting 2-2-4 scores but then again, I should know better by now.
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World Supercrash.
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FANLESS 10/8/2022 9:02pm
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aeffertz wrote:
Underwhelming races for Roczen. Was not expecting 2-2-4 scores but then again, I should know better by now.
Which part was a surprise? The 4th??7
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Shred 10/8/2022 9:05pm
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RoflCopter726 wrote:
Friese - "The fans don't scream like this in America."

Yeah, because you can actually hear them lol.
ie…you’re better then the fans in America. Friese making more fans…lol. At least he didn’t take anyone out so…maybe he is learning?
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caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:
Can’t stand that Joseph guy
Lost in show biz and can't find his way out.
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suspensionguy 10/9/2022 1:15am
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Sidebar - since we do we call a supercross race, heat or main a “GP”? GP of Cardiff? What?
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KONG 10/9/2022 1:34am
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
At least we did get any "What's your middle name?" "What's the most expensive thing you bought your girlfriend?" type of feature.
Instead, we got a ton of "We're building the future globally/ WSX is globally the best championship/ I gotta say this because I globally got a big paycheck" clips...
It sounded like the vids terrorists film with abducted hostages.
Laughing
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KONG 10/9/2022 1:41am
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davis224 wrote:
He's reminding me of the movie "The Other Guys" where Mark Whalberg's character sarcastically learns how to dance to show them how stupid dancing is.
Guys, you've got by far the best supercross championship on the planet.
Your excitement for this joke of a "world championship" is beyond me.
Huh

It's a 10$ Chanel bag knock-off made in China.
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CPR 10/9/2022 3:13am
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davis224 wrote:
He's reminding me of the movie "The Other Guys" where Mark Whalberg's character sarcastically learns how to dance to show them how stupid dancing is.
KONG wrote:
Guys, you've got by far the best supercross championship on the planet. Your excitement for this joke of a "world championship" is beyond me. :huh: It's...
Guys, you've got by far the best supercross championship on the planet.
Your excitement for this joke of a "world championship" is beyond me.
Huh

It's a 10$ Chanel bag knock-off made in China.
No one has this level of commitment to hating on something, so who do you work for? Prater or Coombs?
Surely there’s a connection?
If there’s not?! Wow…..
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ayearinmx 10/9/2022 4:23am
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If someone had been trolling USSX to the level Kong has done to WSX, he'd have been clipped in days. I see ML did acknowledge this at least...
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Simon_Tarrant 10/9/2022 4:43am
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I thought the racing was great , we were sat next the whoops and tomac was so quick through there . Friese style looks slow but it wasn’t that far behind.

Things I liked

The venue - well organised

Superpole though should have 250 aswell

The races came around pretty quick no waiting around

Double back flip from the freestyle guys

Aj Tracey



Disliked

The announcer - too much “make some noise…. “

Races need to be 3 laps longer - start is too critical

Roczens whining about the dirt

Finish line ramp

Needs at least 8-10 rounds next year or I feel the project will die



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davis224 10/9/2022 5:22am
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davis224 wrote:
He's reminding me of the movie "The Other Guys" where Mark Whalberg's character sarcastically learns how to dance to show them how stupid dancing is.
KONG wrote:
Guys, you've got by far the best supercross championship on the planet. Your excitement for this joke of a "world championship" is beyond me. :huh: It's...
Guys, you've got by far the best supercross championship on the planet.
Your excitement for this joke of a "world championship" is beyond me.
Huh

It's a 10$ Chanel bag knock-off made in China.
Dude, nobody is claiming this is the best. We all saw it too. Are you hoping the promoters are reading this and that they'll feel bad or something? What exactly are you hoping to accomplish? At this rate, you're drawing attention away from problems with the race and putting it on you. Which may be the point, I guess.
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kaidodragon 10/10/2022 5:56am
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Fastest laps of the races

250 race 1

47.070 = Shane Mcelrath
47.208 = Matt Moss
47.425 = Aaron Tanti
47.464 = Mitchell Oldenburg
47.606 = Carson Brown
47.732 = Chris Blose
47.764 = Kyle Chisholm
47.969 = Derek Kelley
48.128 = Derek Drake
48.138 = Philipp Nicoletti

250 race 2

47.079 = Maxime Desprey
47.205 = Shane Mcelrath
47.269 = Derek Drake
47.288 = Carson Brown
47.484 = Justin Bogle
47.544 = Max Anstie
47.953 = Aaron Tanti
47.957 = Cole Seely
48.133 = Wilson Todd
48.196 = Dilan Schwartz

250 race 3

47.040 = Cole Seely
47.197 = Matt Moss
47.289 = Shane Mcelrath
47.295 = Justin Bogle
47.365 = Aaron Tanti
47.389 = Carson Brown
47.478 = Chris Blose
47.611 = Mitchell Oldenburg
47.981 = Derek Kelley
48.068 = Max Anstie

450 race 1

45.753 = Ken Roczen
46.126 = Eli Tomac
46.664 = Joey Savatgy
46.800 = Vince Friese
46.841 = Justin Brayton
47.437 = Dean Wilson
47.451 = Josh Hill
47.731 = Ryan Breece
47.838 = Thomas Ramette
47.948 = Angelo Pellegrini

450 race 2

46.070 = Eli Tomac
46.407 = Ken Roczen
46.498 = Joey Savatgy
47.090 = Vince Friese
47.101 = Cedric Soubeyras
47.453 = Justin Brayton
47.602 = Josh Hill
47.721 = Adrien Escoffier
47.837 = Cade Clason
47.933 = Thomas Ramette/Jordi Tixier

450 race 2

46.189 = Eli Tomac
46.345 = Ken Roczen
46.632 = Joey Savatgy
46.665 = Justin Brayton
46.953 = Vince Friese
47.699 = Josh Hill
47.852 = Adrien Escoffier
48.005 = Jordi Tixier
48.041 = Cedric Soubeyras
48.091 = Fredrik Noren
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Homounculus 10/10/2022 6:59am
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Getting granular with the analysis of the rider speed and competitiveness of the WSX 450 finalists compared to AMA you may get a surprise.

If you hold Tomac as the best rider in SX at the moment- current AMA champ - and compare his Qualifying time (started 3rd) at Cardiff with the rest of the field and then compare his time and the rest of the field at 2022 Foxborough SX where he also started 3rd, you find that the last qualifier, 22nd, Scott Meshey, was about 7 seconds slower than Eli.

At Cardiff the 22nd 450 qualifier, Brunell, was less than 4 seconds slower than Eli.

These transponder truths blow a hole in the assumption that the WSX rider quality is low.

It isn't.

It is as good overall as an AMA SX round based on that analysis, though doesn't have the depth at the front of the field, yet.
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DonM 10/10/2022 9:21am
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Homounculus wrote:
Getting granular with the analysis of the rider speed and competitiveness of the WSX 450 finalists compared to AMA you may get a surprise. If you...
Getting granular with the analysis of the rider speed and competitiveness of the WSX 450 finalists compared to AMA you may get a surprise.

If you hold Tomac as the best rider in SX at the moment- current AMA champ - and compare his Qualifying time (started 3rd) at Cardiff with the rest of the field and then compare his time and the rest of the field at 2022 Foxborough SX where he also started 3rd, you find that the last qualifier, 22nd, Scott Meshey, was about 7 seconds slower than Eli.

At Cardiff the 22nd 450 qualifier, Brunell, was less than 4 seconds slower than Eli.

These transponder truths blow a hole in the assumption that the WSX rider quality is low.

It isn't.

It is as good overall as an AMA SX round based on that analysis, though doesn't have the depth at the front of the field, yet.
An easy shorter non-technical track will bring riders times closer together....
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Homounculus wrote:
Getting granular with the analysis of the rider speed and competitiveness of the WSX 450 finalists compared to AMA you may get a surprise. If you...
Getting granular with the analysis of the rider speed and competitiveness of the WSX 450 finalists compared to AMA you may get a surprise.

If you hold Tomac as the best rider in SX at the moment- current AMA champ - and compare his Qualifying time (started 3rd) at Cardiff with the rest of the field and then compare his time and the rest of the field at 2022 Foxborough SX where he also started 3rd, you find that the last qualifier, 22nd, Scott Meshey, was about 7 seconds slower than Eli.

At Cardiff the 22nd 450 qualifier, Brunell, was less than 4 seconds slower than Eli.

These transponder truths blow a hole in the assumption that the WSX rider quality is low.

It isn't.

It is as good overall as an AMA SX round based on that analysis, though doesn't have the depth at the front of the field, yet.
DonM wrote:
An easy shorter non-technical track will bring riders times closer together....
Don't feed the Gungadin
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seth505 10/10/2022 11:41am
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Homounculus wrote:
Getting granular with the analysis of the rider speed and competitiveness of the WSX 450 finalists compared to AMA you may get a surprise. If you...
Getting granular with the analysis of the rider speed and competitiveness of the WSX 450 finalists compared to AMA you may get a surprise.

If you hold Tomac as the best rider in SX at the moment- current AMA champ - and compare his Qualifying time (started 3rd) at Cardiff with the rest of the field and then compare his time and the rest of the field at 2022 Foxborough SX where he also started 3rd, you find that the last qualifier, 22nd, Scott Meshey, was about 7 seconds slower than Eli.

At Cardiff the 22nd 450 qualifier, Brunell, was less than 4 seconds slower than Eli.

These transponder truths blow a hole in the assumption that the WSX rider quality is low.

It isn't.

It is as good overall as an AMA SX round based on that analysis, though doesn't have the depth at the front of the field, yet.
Getting granular on your post, you are not correct.
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RaceFace58 10/10/2022 8:35pm
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Homounculus wrote:
Getting granular with the analysis of the rider speed and competitiveness of the WSX 450 finalists compared to AMA you may get a surprise. If you...
Getting granular with the analysis of the rider speed and competitiveness of the WSX 450 finalists compared to AMA you may get a surprise.

If you hold Tomac as the best rider in SX at the moment- current AMA champ - and compare his Qualifying time (started 3rd) at Cardiff with the rest of the field and then compare his time and the rest of the field at 2022 Foxborough SX where he also started 3rd, you find that the last qualifier, 22nd, Scott Meshey, was about 7 seconds slower than Eli.

At Cardiff the 22nd 450 qualifier, Brunell, was less than 4 seconds slower than Eli.

These transponder truths blow a hole in the assumption that the WSX rider quality is low.

It isn't.

It is as good overall as an AMA SX round based on that analysis, though doesn't have the depth at the front of the field, yet.
I do recall WSX hyping that the last place guy would be less slower in their series. We are one Ken Roczen crash from Vince Friese being our 2022 World Supercross Champion!
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