Chance Hymas to Forgo Pro Debut

dirtbikemike wrote:

How do you end up at LLs with bike setup problems? It's a motocross track and you ride a motocross bike. Most of the so called...

How do you end up at LLs with bike setup problems? It's a motocross track and you ride a motocross bike. Most of the so called top riders live and ride at training "facilities" year round. Your bike should be perfect. How do you get arm pump if you've been riding every day since LLs the year before? Maybe he should have been racing leading up to LLs instead of "training".

dirtbikemike wrote:

How do you end up at LLs with bike setup problems? It's a motocross track and you ride a motocross bike. Most of the so called...

How do you end up at LLs with bike setup problems? It's a motocross track and you ride a motocross bike. Most of the so called top riders live and ride at training "facilities" year round. Your bike should be perfect. How do you get arm pump if you've been riding every day since LLs the year before? Maybe he should have been racing leading up to LLs instead of "training".

aees wrote:

So you are saying that Webb, Justin cooper, Tomac, Barcia, Roczen with their experience and capability is lying when they say bike setup matters? Eli is...

So you are saying that Webb, Justin cooper, Tomac, Barcia, Roczen with their experience and capability is lying when they say bike setup matters? Eli is a 5-10 guy with bike setup being off. Cooper, well just listen to latest interviews.

I think we should throw them all under the bus when bike is off since "mike" claims bike setup should not be a problem 😄

And Armpump, well just again ask Tomac and maybe Osborne how that can come and go depending on track and bike setup.

If you have no clue, better stay silent.

Hi Side wrote:

I wonder if he has been nursing an injury of some description? He was non factor in all of his moto's which was really surprising to...

I wonder if he has been nursing an injury of some description? He was non factor in all of his moto's which was really surprising to me. He seems like a good kid with a bright future, I'm sure he and the team will get it sorted.

quadzrulebro wrote:

He is literally a factory rider racing amateur races. I have a hard time believing that his team of engineers and mechanics can’t get his factory...

He is literally a factory rider racing amateur races. I have a hard time believing that his team of engineers and mechanics can’t get his factory built bike dialed in close enough to run with guys like Jayden Clough from Minnesota who I had never even heard of until this week. The bike wasn’t the issue. The pressure was. He’ll get it figured out.

dirtbikemike wrote:

How do you end up at LLs with bike setup problems? It's a motocross track and you ride a motocross bike. Most of the so called...

How do you end up at LLs with bike setup problems? It's a motocross track and you ride a motocross bike. Most of the so called top riders live and ride at training "facilities" year round. Your bike should be perfect. How do you get arm pump if you've been riding every day since LLs the year before? Maybe he should have been racing leading up to LLs instead of "training".

aees wrote:

So you are saying that Webb, Justin cooper, Tomac, Barcia, Roczen with their experience and capability is lying when they say bike setup matters? Eli is...

So you are saying that Webb, Justin cooper, Tomac, Barcia, Roczen with their experience and capability is lying when they say bike setup matters? Eli is a 5-10 guy with bike setup being off. Cooper, well just listen to latest interviews.

I think we should throw them all under the bus when bike is off since "mike" claims bike setup should not be a problem 😄

And Armpump, well just again ask Tomac and maybe Osborne how that can come and go depending on track and bike setup.

If you have no clue, better stay silent.

yak651 wrote:

The thing is he isn't racing the elite riders. He's racing a class where he IS the elite rider. He should be able to ride a...

The thing is he isn't racing the elite riders. He's racing a class where he IS the elite rider. He should be able to ride a bike that isn't set up perfectly to a podium finish. Over reacting if he didn't win ever moto and being got on him, but he didn't even have one good moto. Not a good look for a HRC rider.

Jeff_Crutcher wrote:

Mike the new path for pro racers is to never race. Which is great, because your guys and my guys can make a living doing local...

Mike the new path for pro racers is to never race. Which is great, because your guys and my guys can make a living doing local races and AX, while the children are struggling with setup.

I wonder if the show is over and this is the permanent thing now? Kids (and their parents) chasing clout at the training facility over learning how to actually race..

GrapeApe wrote:

You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false...

You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false narrative you read on Vital. Here's how the 6 months leading up to LL's looked for him:

Arlington SX Futures
LL Area Qualifier - Arizona
LL Area Qualifier - Utah
JS7 Freestone
Motoplayground Spring A Ding Ding
Atlanta SX Futures
Foxborough SX Futures
SLC SX Futures Final
LL Regional Qualifier - Washougal
AMA NGPC Series Utah *beat Cole Martinez
Mammoth
Red Bud Scouting Moto Combine

Maybe he went into LL's over-trained, maybe the pressure of expectations got to him mentally, maybe he has hit his ceiling and the other guys got faster, who knows? But whatever happened to him wasn't from "chasing clout at the training facility".

PFitzG38 wrote:

Well that explains it. I race twice as much as that in 6 mos. And I’m 60! If you don’t use it you’ll lose it! Are...

Well that explains it. I race twice as much as that in 6 mos. And I’m 60! If you don’t use it you’ll lose it! Are they lazy? scared? not motivated or low on funds? What is the explanation of amateurs avoiding racing each other?

Jeff_Crutcher wrote:

Mike the new path for pro racers is to never race. Which is great, because your guys and my guys can make a living doing local...

Mike the new path for pro racers is to never race. Which is great, because your guys and my guys can make a living doing local races and AX, while the children are struggling with setup.

I wonder if the show is over and this is the permanent thing now? Kids (and their parents) chasing clout at the training facility over learning how to actually race..

GrapeApe wrote:

You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false...

You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false narrative you read on Vital. Here's how the 6 months leading up to LL's looked for him:

Arlington SX Futures
LL Area Qualifier - Arizona
LL Area Qualifier - Utah
JS7 Freestone
Motoplayground Spring A Ding Ding
Atlanta SX Futures
Foxborough SX Futures
SLC SX Futures Final
LL Regional Qualifier - Washougal
AMA NGPC Series Utah *beat Cole Martinez
Mammoth
Red Bud Scouting Moto Combine

Maybe he went into LL's over-trained, maybe the pressure of expectations got to him mentally, maybe he has hit his ceiling and the other guys got faster, who knows? But whatever happened to him wasn't from "chasing clout at the training facility".

PFitzG38 wrote:

Well that explains it. I race twice as much as that in 6 mos. And I’m 60! If you don’t use it you’ll lose it! Are...

Well that explains it. I race twice as much as that in 6 mos. And I’m 60! If you don’t use it you’ll lose it! Are they lazy? scared? not motivated or low on funds? What is the explanation of amateurs avoiding racing each other?

GrapeApe wrote:

You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false...

You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false narrative you read on Vital. Here's how the 6 months leading up to LL's looked for him:

Arlington SX Futures
LL Area Qualifier - Arizona
LL Area Qualifier - Utah
JS7 Freestone
Motoplayground Spring A Ding Ding
Atlanta SX Futures
Foxborough SX Futures
SLC SX Futures Final
LL Regional Qualifier - Washougal
AMA NGPC Series Utah *beat Cole Martinez
Mammoth
Red Bud Scouting Moto Combine

Maybe he went into LL's over-trained, maybe the pressure of expectations got to him mentally, maybe he has hit his ceiling and the other guys got faster, who knows? But whatever happened to him wasn't from "chasing clout at the training facility".

PFitzG38 wrote:

Well that explains it. I race twice as much as that in 6 mos. And I’m 60! If you don’t use it you’ll lose it! Are...

Well that explains it. I race twice as much as that in 6 mos. And I’m 60! If you don’t use it you’ll lose it! Are they lazy? scared? not motivated or low on funds? What is the explanation of amateurs avoiding racing each other?

GrapeApe wrote:

So you race every weekend, that's great. I'm guessing you never have to drive more than 2 or 3 hours to your races. What if you...

So you race every weekend, that's great. I'm guessing you never have to drive more than 2 or 3 hours to your races. What if you had to travel to Texas, Michigan, Massachusetts, Washington, Arizona, Utah, Tennessee, Florida, etc., to find worthy competition? Would you still race every weekend? Do you think Hymas would be a better racer if he stuck around Idaho and raced 52 local races a year?

zookrider62! wrote:

isnt that what all amateurs did until the last 10 years? Raced every local race, multiple classes Friday-Sunday, and only missed the locals for the amateur...

isnt that what all amateurs did until the last 10 years? Raced every local race, multiple classes Friday-Sunday, and only missed the locals for the amateur nationals? Competition isnt fast enough, start backwards. Still not fast enough, start backwards and give them a 10 second head start

zookrider62! wrote:

isnt that what all amateurs did until the last 10 years? Raced every local race, multiple classes Friday-Sunday, and only missed the locals for the amateur...

isnt that what all amateurs did until the last 10 years? Raced every local race, multiple classes Friday-Sunday, and only missed the locals for the amateur nationals? Competition isnt fast enough, start backwards. Still not fast enough, start backwards and give them a 10 second head start

LungButter wrote:

I suppose you're not wrong.

I remember Jimmy Lamastus lining up and winning the local Pro class on a super mini back in the day.

Motofinne wrote:

If they do this because he might get his confidence crushed if he finishes outside the top 20, it’s a mistake. I would think the results...

If they do this because he might get his confidence crushed if he finishes outside the top 20, it’s a mistake. I would think the results in the recent amateur races has already been a hit on his confidence.

Why just not race the remaining rounds with zero pressure, just take every session as preparation for the future? What is better. Racing the tracks and riders you’re supposed to race against the next 4-6 years or training at facilities and public tracks? Racing should be the obvious answer.

aees wrote:

So you are saying that Webb, Justin cooper, Tomac, Barcia, Roczen with their experience and capability is lying when they say bike setup matters? Eli is...

So you are saying that Webb, Justin cooper, Tomac, Barcia, Roczen with their experience and capability is lying when they say bike setup matters? Eli is a 5-10 guy with bike setup being off. Cooper, well just listen to latest interviews.

I think we should throw them all under the bus when bike is off since "mike" claims bike setup should not be a problem 😄

And Armpump, well just again ask Tomac and maybe Osborne how that can come and go depending on track and bike setup.

If you have no clue, better stay silent.

yak651 wrote:

The thing is he isn't racing the elite riders. He's racing a class where he IS the elite rider. He should be able to ride a...

The thing is he isn't racing the elite riders. He's racing a class where he IS the elite rider. He should be able to ride a bike that isn't set up perfectly to a podium finish. Over reacting if he didn't win ever moto and being got on him, but he didn't even have one good moto. Not a good look for a HRC rider.

aees wrote:

Same goes for Tomac. Or look at Paul's Jonas in MXGP. Sorry, but it just shows lack of understanding how important it can be for some/most...

Same goes for Tomac. Or look at Paul's Jonas in MXGP. Sorry, but it just shows lack of understanding how important it can be for some/most riders. History has shown that over and over again.

If i shift my sag 2mm to be stiffer or clickers 3-4 in wrong direction, armpump is immediate.

If he gets armpump, he is done. Same as Tomac going from first or second to eight.

yak651 wrote:

The thing is he isn't racing the elite riders. He's racing a class where he IS the elite rider. He should be able to ride a...

The thing is he isn't racing the elite riders. He's racing a class where he IS the elite rider. He should be able to ride a bike that isn't set up perfectly to a podium finish. Over reacting if he didn't win ever moto and being got on him, but he didn't even have one good moto. Not a good look for a HRC rider.

aees wrote:

Same goes for Tomac. Or look at Paul's Jonas in MXGP. Sorry, but it just shows lack of understanding how important it can be for some/most...

Same goes for Tomac. Or look at Paul's Jonas in MXGP. Sorry, but it just shows lack of understanding how important it can be for some/most riders. History has shown that over and over again.

If i shift my sag 2mm to be stiffer or clickers 3-4 in wrong direction, armpump is immediate.

If he gets armpump, he is done. Same as Tomac going from first or second to eight.

dirtbikemike wrote:

I think you miss my point. His bike setup should be perfect with all the riding that I suppose he did before he ever arrived at...

I think you miss my point. His bike setup should be perfect with all the riding that I suppose he did before he ever arrived at the ranch. Especially under the watchful eyes of HRC. I know everyone is different when it comes to bike setup and arm pump, but how long did he prepare for LLs? If he wasn't prepared for that once a year event, how will he do when it comes to the grind of SX and the Nationals?

aees wrote:

Same goes for Tomac. Or look at Paul's Jonas in MXGP. Sorry, but it just shows lack of understanding how important it can be for some/most...

Same goes for Tomac. Or look at Paul's Jonas in MXGP. Sorry, but it just shows lack of understanding how important it can be for some/most riders. History has shown that over and over again.

If i shift my sag 2mm to be stiffer or clickers 3-4 in wrong direction, armpump is immediate.

If he gets armpump, he is done. Same as Tomac going from first or second to eight.

dirtbikemike wrote:

I think you miss my point. His bike setup should be perfect with all the riding that I suppose he did before he ever arrived at...

I think you miss my point. His bike setup should be perfect with all the riding that I suppose he did before he ever arrived at the ranch. Especially under the watchful eyes of HRC. I know everyone is different when it comes to bike setup and arm pump, but how long did he prepare for LLs? If he wasn't prepared for that once a year event, how will he do when it comes to the grind of SX and the Nationals?

aees wrote:

And you are missing mine. If Tomac, Sexton, Roczen, Webb can't figure bike setup, some not for a full season, you think a rookie not even...

And you are missing mine. If Tomac, Sexton, Roczen, Webb can't figure bike setup, some not for a full season, you think a rookie not even being pro yet should be able to do it?

It doesn't work like that, it has never been that easy and specially recent years when bikes and competition are so fast that even slightly off, your off the podium.

Just listen to the amount of times this season that riders has "gone in the wrong direction" and made worse in second moto.

MXGP, Jonas still has not figured out his bike. Coldenhoff who beat everyone at MXoN was running around in 14th first rounds on Yamaha due to bike setup.

So no, Hymas is not unique, setup off and Armpump and you are not on the podium.

Motofinne wrote:

If they do this because he might get his confidence crushed if he finishes outside the top 20, it’s a mistake. I would think the results...

If they do this because he might get his confidence crushed if he finishes outside the top 20, it’s a mistake. I would think the results in the recent amateur races has already been a hit on his confidence.

Why just not race the remaining rounds with zero pressure, just take every session as preparation for the future? What is better. Racing the tracks and riders you’re supposed to race against the next 4-6 years or training at facilities and public tracks? Racing should be the obvious answer.

jtiger12 wrote:

we have seen that story play out a lot... Kid moves up too soon.. gets loaded with a bunch of pressure to go out and perform...

we have seen that story play out a lot... Kid moves up too soon.. gets loaded with a bunch of pressure to go out and perform. Starts riding over his head to get results for the team for whatever myriad reasons.. gets hurt... Makes a comeback, gets hurt.. looses his ride. So on so on.

I think it's a wise decision but I'm just a fan looking in from the outside. I remember what it was like to be 16-18 years old.

Falcon wrote:

Setup is a dual-edged sword. Some pros are much more sensitive to setup than we amateurs are. They can feel little differences in the chassis that...

Setup is a dual-edged sword. Some pros are much more sensitive to setup than we amateurs are. They can feel little differences in the chassis that I could only dream of, but then can't perform if the bike isn't perfect.

I subscribe to the RC or JMB school: test, get your settings, and then ride the damn bike. Adjust your riding style for the track conditions.

ForToo wrote:

I recently read that folks at this level can feel the difference if the outer edges of triple clamps are chamfered. I was earning plastic in...

I recently read that folks at this level can feel the difference if the outer edges of triple clamps are chamfered. I was earning plastic in the B class before learning to setup suspension. These guys run a pace 98% of us will never understood.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

He really seem to be better on the Kawasaki last year . Do you think the pressure of being the first factory HRC Honda amateur rider...

He really seem to be better on the Kawasaki last year . Do you think the pressure of being the first factory HRC Honda amateur rider probably in 20 years is getting to him . That has to be some crazy pressure being the only factory HRC Honda rider and the only one in probably 20 years