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Gravel 8/27/2022 9:42pm
8/27/2022 9:42pm
I’d like to see some sort of a penalty for leaving the track. Maybe not the old school “re-enter where you left” but a stop and go penalty box would work to keep riders on the track a lot better than our current rules.

When you leave the track and don’t lose time, an advantage is gained. Leaving the track should cost time, every time.
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Thisusernameisavailable 8/27/2022 10:02pm
8/27/2022 10:02pm
captmoto wrote:
I don't see it as an intentional truck cutting, it was more of a save that took him inside the tree. He gained no advantage from...
I don't see it as an intentional truck cutting, it was more of a save that took him inside the tree. He gained no advantage from it so no harm, no foul.
Technically he did gain an advantage- running off the track should have cost him time, but he didn’t lose any time.
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headlightracer 8/27/2022 10:33pm
8/27/2022 10:33pm
Gravel wrote:
I’d like to see some sort of a penalty for leaving the track. Maybe not the old school “re-enter where you left” but a stop and...
I’d like to see some sort of a penalty for leaving the track. Maybe not the old school “re-enter where you left” but a stop and go penalty box would work to keep riders on the track a lot better than our current rules.

When you leave the track and don’t lose time, an advantage is gained. Leaving the track should cost time, every time.
A long lap penalty like in MotoGP might be a thing.
But damn I hate it. When Quartararo crashed in Assen and took Espargaró down it was an really optimistic move from him but if you race stuff like that happens.
Just like Sexton cutting the corner. Follows after a mistake, no gain, no loss, no direct fight with another rider. In this situation I'm cool with that.
But sure if a rider leaves the track, gets tangled in a banner needs time to regroup and then cuts the track even more to have (timewise) no gain or loss then he should get a penalty. It all highly depends on the situation.
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Gungadin 8/27/2022 11:49pm
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He was very lucky not to get a case of banner wrap and potentially lose the championship because of it.
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T-Fish 8/28/2022 8:02am
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Tomac won the moto, so I don’t feel there’s anything to even talk about. I don’t feel it’s worthy of a points deduction, and a time penalty is pointless because he finished a mile ahead of 3rd place. It’s a whole different story if Sexton had won. There are more arguments for him gaining an advantage than there are for him not gaining one.
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captmoto 8/28/2022 8:33am
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HusqFan3 wrote:
Thankfully it didn't impact the result but the rule is idiotic. The fact you can big mistake, cut the track, and as long as you don't...
Thankfully it didn't impact the result but the rule is idiotic. The fact you can big mistake, cut the track, and as long as you don't gain time it's alright when in reality a mistake of that magnitude should translate to at least some time lost.
Cut the track, to me, implies a conscious decision. Usually there is a line and or an obvious sign of it. It's not like he did it again on the next lap.
If he ate shit there and did the same thing to get back on the track and lost 10 seconds would this whole penalty rant still be going?
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DA498 8/28/2022 8:33am
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Looby321 wrote:
Let the boys race it out, I give zero f@Viks about 6 inches of track being cut at this point….they’re pinned.
Agreed, he literally didnt go around the TREE, who gives a F$@k.
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kpiper 8/28/2022 9:37am
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As someone mentioned above...I think there should be a 'stop and go' requirement when you cut the track but can't really go back to re-enter where you went off.

There has to be a penalty of some type for cutting the course. Make the rider come to a complete stop for two seconds and then go. If not then a two-point penalty.

In this case, the two points probably wouldn't matter anyway. If Chase is down one or three points going into the last round most likely won't factor into who wins this.
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RudyRayMo 8/28/2022 9:56am
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Doesn’t someone from Yamaha have to bring it up first or can the ama just pick it up to penalize chase?
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jjavaman 8/28/2022 10:44am
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Pretty sure I saw a Lawrence brother go off track pinned and get back on it without even trying to slow down yet no mention of it?
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dirtwalker 8/28/2022 1:07pm
8/28/2022 1:07pm
Why are we focusing on this and ignoring Hunter’s off track event and any number of other incidents that happened at the race…
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Gravel 8/28/2022 3:20pm
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jjavaman wrote:
Pretty sure I saw a Lawrence brother go off track pinned and get back on it without even trying to slow down yet no mention of...
Pretty sure I saw a Lawrence brother go off track pinned and get back on it without even trying to slow down yet no mention of it?
Some sort of penalty should happen to ANYONE who leaves the track. Skipping a chopped up straight gives a rider the advantage of rest time where he should be dealing with a bunch of bumps, skipping a rhythm section is even worse.

As for Chase and Eli, if Chase had to do a stop and go penalty, Eli wouldn’t have had to do that otherworldly lap that kept him in front, saving energy for the 2nd moto. Probably no real advantage in the Eli vs Chase 1st moto at Ironman, but this an ongoing problem.

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AH387 8/28/2022 4:02pm
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Titan1 wrote:
I believe if you exit the track for any reason you should have to re enter within a reasonable distance (5 feet? 10 feet?) of where...
I believe if you exit the track for any reason you should have to re enter within a reasonable distance (5 feet? 10 feet?) of where you left.

Leaving the track and NOT losing time (because you cut the corner, or pin it down the road next to the track and skip a jump or whoops) IS an advantage-even if you don’t gain time on, or pass, the rider in front of you…you didn’t lose time-and should be penalized (I’d say a 5 second penalty, if that means you lose a position you also lose points).
I agree. When you mess up you shouldnt be able to just jump right back in like nothing happened. In my opinion the wording of "not gaining time/advantage" needs looked at. That being said, for how the rule is understood now, I think you just leave it be and let the guys settle it at Pala. But I do think in the future they maybe need to address the rule. We see stuff like this too frequently.
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Tim507 8/28/2022 5:15pm
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......the banner barrier was run up and around the tree for the 2nd moto if I recall correctly hmm, I wonder why they did that?
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tomacfan 8/28/2022 5:40pm
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I think this was more significant the tracking cutting. I am surprised I hadn’t seen anyone mention. Great racing by these two either way.


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ab5772 8/28/2022 6:36pm
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tomacfan wrote:
I think this was more significant the tracking cutting. I am surprised I hadn’t seen anyone mention. Great racing by these two either way. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/28/566040/s1200_EBEC6583_B1F5_4A55_BDE5_BBAA7FADD3A5.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/28/566042/s1200_F4094F66_1DD1_4350_A3AD_D0992D018291.jpg[/img]...
I think this was more significant the tracking cutting. I am surprised I hadn’t seen anyone mention. Great racing by these two either way.


What are we supposed to be looking at here? Someone jumping on yellow? That’s completely legal.
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HD1200 8/28/2022 6:42pm
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I can't believe how much stupid this thread has in it.
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thewrizzle 8/28/2022 6:47pm
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tomacfan wrote:
I think this was more significant the tracking cutting. I am surprised I hadn’t seen anyone mention. Great racing by these two either way. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/28/566040/s1200_EBEC6583_B1F5_4A55_BDE5_BBAA7FADD3A5.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/28/566042/s1200_F4094F66_1DD1_4350_A3AD_D0992D018291.jpg[/img]...
I think this was more significant the tracking cutting. I am surprised I hadn’t seen anyone mention. Great racing by these two either way.


ab5772 wrote:
What are we supposed to be looking at here? Someone jumping on yellow? That’s completely legal.
Look at his name.
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soggy 8/28/2022 6:52pm
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tomacfan wrote:
I think this was more significant the tracking cutting. I am surprised I hadn’t seen anyone mention. Great racing by these two either way. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/28/566040/s1200_EBEC6583_B1F5_4A55_BDE5_BBAA7FADD3A5.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/28/566042/s1200_F4094F66_1DD1_4350_A3AD_D0992D018291.jpg[/img]...
I think this was more significant the tracking cutting. I am surprised I hadn’t seen anyone mention. Great racing by these two either way.


Chase is ahead of Eli there. The lack of depth perception in your screenshot makes it look worse.

Just for curiousity sake I looked at the lap times. Chase fastest lap was a 2:01.1. The lap he did that on I think was lap 8 which he ran 2:02.5. His average was a 2:02.4
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Jeremy A.K. 8/28/2022 7:02pm
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Some people make it sound like he cut out an entire section unreal what people will bitch about these days.
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thewrizzle 8/28/2022 7:12pm
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Jeremy A.K. wrote:
Some people make it sound like he cut out an entire section unreal what people will bitch about these days.
I mean he cut off like 6 feet of track at a slower pace so he’s clearly cheating.
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MillsHondaRider 8/28/2022 10:07pm
8/28/2022 10:07pm
Obviously unintentional. I think it was faster, but not much. The turn had a rut in it and was slow. I may have to re-watch to stand by my opinion. Glad it was a non-factor. If it was faster, 5 second penalty - mute point.
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Thisusernameisavailable 8/28/2022 11:03pm
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jjavaman wrote:
Pretty sure I saw a Lawrence brother go off track pinned and get back on it without even trying to slow down yet no mention of...
Pretty sure I saw a Lawrence brother go off track pinned and get back on it without even trying to slow down yet no mention of it?
Gravel wrote:
Some sort of penalty should happen to ANYONE who leaves the track. Skipping a chopped up straight gives a rider the advantage of rest time where...
Some sort of penalty should happen to ANYONE who leaves the track. Skipping a chopped up straight gives a rider the advantage of rest time where he should be dealing with a bunch of bumps, skipping a rhythm section is even worse.

As for Chase and Eli, if Chase had to do a stop and go penalty, Eli wouldn’t have had to do that otherworldly lap that kept him in front, saving energy for the 2nd moto. Probably no real advantage in the Eli vs Chase 1st moto at Ironman, but this an ongoing problem.

What is this “otherworldly lap” people keep speaking of?

Chase had the fastest lap of the race..
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yz763 8/29/2022 6:46am
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Chase clearly gained an advantage with Tomac checking out and winning that Moto. It took him 2-3 laps to even catch Tomac. This is the dumbest shit ever. If it were closer, maybe drop his fastest lap time and replace it with his slowest and see where he finishes. Or drop the time from the incident lap and replace it with his slowest lap time.
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AceDudemeisterX 8/29/2022 2:32pm
8/29/2022 2:32pm Edited Date/Time 8/29/2022 2:34pm
Gravel wrote:
I’d like to see some sort of a penalty for leaving the track. Maybe not the old school “re-enter where you left” but a stop and...
I’d like to see some sort of a penalty for leaving the track. Maybe not the old school “re-enter where you left” but a stop and go penalty box would work to keep riders on the track a lot better than our current rules.

When you leave the track and don’t lose time, an advantage is gained. Leaving the track should cost time, every time.
If you miss an obstacle, penalty box.

If you cut, penalty box.

If you leave under a racing incident then I don’t know.
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mxridr 8/29/2022 2:33pm
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Anderson safely cut track wtih no advantage gained and has been docked a position . No dockage for Sexton yet.
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Big fat....

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captmoto wrote:
I don't see it as an intentional truck cutting, it was more of a save that took him inside the tree. He gained no advantage from...
I don't see it as an intentional truck cutting, it was more of a save that took him inside the tree. He gained no advantage from it so no harm, no foul.

Agreed. Eli or Chase don't seem like the types to try to make something out of nothing anyways, and it turned out to be nothing. Good non-call by the officials.
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KennyT 8/29/2022 6:35pm
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I like time penalties over positions. If the AMA feels someone gains 2-3 seconds then impose a 5 second penalty. Those guys were so far ahead of 3rd place a position penalty is really not fair.

It didn’t look like he gained anything, but missing an entire corner should be some form of a penalty

2 seconds 👍
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spimx 8/29/2022 6:44pm
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I think it's kindov bullshit that Anderson cuts the track and gets a point deducted but they selectively enforce the rule with sexton. Same thing with Barcia anyone else makes that move on Ferrandis and it's a slap on the wrist but Barcia does anything aggressive it's always a penalty. Sexton was bashing through lappers in the past dropping them like flies and if that was Barcia it would have been a penalty.
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