Anyone have video of Barcia taking Ferrandis down?

Chris_Buehler 8/23/2022 8:31am
8/23/2022 8:31am
tek14 wrote:
Barcia took out Cairoli and even worse Cairoli got hurt but didnt say it like DF did. Now he has to sit out until MXoN.
When was this? First lap of the first moto Saturday?
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PRM31 8/23/2022 8:31am
8/23/2022 8:31am Edited Date/Time 8/23/2022 8:44am
Anyone who has ridden the track knows that the only reason Barcia would go where he did was to do a take out move. DQ, eh, for that alone, no. But he has a trend and that is catching up to him.

Dylan passes Barcia on the inside of a slow, very off camber, sweeping right turn. Out of that sweeping right is a tight left hand turn. Dylan could have bee lined for the inside of that left hander and chopped Barcias front. But he didn’t. Dylan went to the outside leaving Barcia room on the track. Rather than using that inside, Barcia went straight to the outside. Prior to squaring it as he hit Dylan he is effectively 90+ degrees off the direction he would be going if he were trying to ride the track. My point is, if you understand that corner, his move is much worse than the video makes it appear.
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McG194 8/23/2022 8:35am
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Personally, I'm going to withhold judgement until AMA Pro Racing/MX Sports gives a detailed explanation of their justification of DQ'ing Barcia.


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LungButter 8/23/2022 8:43am
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tek14 wrote:
Barcia took out Cairoli and even worse Cairoli got hurt but didnt say it like DF did. Now he has to sit out until MXoN.
Where did you see that Barcia took him out? Pretty sure that's fake news.

I'm almost certain Cairoli went down on his own on the first lap and Barcia ran over his arm while he was down.
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Mit12 8/23/2022 8:44am
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The track is wide where Barcia came back on to the track, there was plenty of room to make the turn and continue racing but no way was Barcia going to do that he had already flipped the switch to Dumb Dumb mode and crossed the track to take Ferrandis out. There is no way Barcia can say that he did not mean to do it and it was a racing incident. Both riders are dirty riders which I do not like either rider but when Bam Bam turns into Dumb Dumb he is much worse.
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Chris_Buehler 8/23/2022 8:55am
8/23/2022 8:55am
tek14 wrote:
Barcia took out Cairoli and even worse Cairoli got hurt but didnt say it like DF did. Now he has to sit out until MXoN.
LungButter wrote:
Where did you see that Barcia took him out? Pretty sure that's fake news. I'm almost certain Cairoli went down on his own on the first...
Where did you see that Barcia took him out? Pretty sure that's fake news.

I'm almost certain Cairoli went down on his own on the first lap and Barcia ran over his arm while he was down.
Exactly. I saw it. AC slid out on the face of a small double and got hit from behind. I didn't realize it was Barcia and I thought he got hit in the back but it could have been his arm. Certainly wasn't a takeout and he crashed in front of the entire pack. He's lucky he didn't get run over worse actually
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stremme12 8/23/2022 9:01am
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bigk218 wrote:
Ferrandis has been irreverent for 6+ months and star runs this pathetic sport
I'm curious what you mean by Star running the sport? They haven't really gotten their way when they want it in the professional ranks that often? Cooper and Nichols both weren't allowed to defend their titles due to injury like they asked. Shane protested Chase on some things and that never went anywhere either. What do you mean by they run the sport?
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Magoofan 8/23/2022 9:05am
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Not-a-Fan wrote:
I'd like everyone to remember when reading these types of threads where judgements are passed on little evidence, lots of feelings and opinions change multiple times...
I'd like everyone to remember when reading these types of threads where judgements are passed on little evidence, lots of feelings and opinions change multiple times at the drop of a hat.....that everyone here eventually ends up in some poor bastards 12 person jury to decide said bastards guilt/innocence in real life. I used to think the jury filtering process was a joke, a set up, but now I realize there's good reason for it, some of you guys are supremely biased and that thinking doesn't just change when its time to decide if someone gets to go free or go to prison.

"Well he didn't do it this time, but fuck him anyways!" Like the cop that feels planting evidence on a man is ok because the end result is "justified" in their eyes...God help us all, but more importantly I hope the jury interviewer does a good job filtering kooks on my theoretical future case lol.
Spot on.

We are slipping ever closer to Idiocracy in this country.
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swordfish 8/23/2022 9:28am
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USA wrote:
Here are some stills from Barcias video. This first picture shows the contact, with Ferrandis essentially perpendicular to Barcia. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/22/565115/s1200_Screenshot_20220822_175230_Gallery.jpg[/img] This second image is the frame...
Here are some stills from Barcias video. This first picture shows the contact, with Ferrandis essentially perpendicular to Barcia.


This second image is the frame before, Barcias bars are turned all the way to the left and his camera is still pointed off the track to the right, so you can infer that his actual bike is even more perpendicular to Ferrandis and the track.



Also, Barcia pins it a few frames before this to ram Dylan as hard as he can. It could have been avoided 100%.
You might wanna check the dictionary for the meaning of perpendicular.
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VRR7 8/23/2022 11:10am
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Check the rule book on going off track and re entering the track. About 4 infractions of the rules of MX !
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Shaft721 8/23/2022 5:37pm
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VRR7 wrote:
Check the rule book on going off track and re entering the track. About 4 infractions of the rules of MX !
Not if you get knocked off by another rider and it’s unintentional. You have the IQ of a 4 year old.
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Black Diesel Bomber 8/24/2022 2:36pm
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Have any videos from other angles of this collision surfaced yet? Someone usually always gets it on a cell phone.
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kiwifan 8/24/2022 2:54pm
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VRR7 wrote:
Check the rule book on going off track and re entering the track. About 4 infractions of the rules of MX !
Shaft721 wrote:
Not if you get knocked off by another rider and it’s unintentional. You have the IQ of a 4 year old.
wow, so you dont agree to someones post and resort to calling them dumb...? wow
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SeaClassExpert 8/24/2022 4:45pm
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I respect Barcia about as much as I respect dog turds, but a DQ is a wild overreaction jesus christ.
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VoR 8/24/2022 5:16pm
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qontusolsson wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/21/564867/s1200_Screenshot_20220821_113311404.jpg[/img]

You never go full surrender monkey...
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xr70 8/24/2022 5:20pm
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Unfortunately not many of You on this forum have Balls still attached to your body, most of you sounding like bunch of Women on there periods. Nothing wrong with Barcia ! If you don’t like what u see , pool your panties down install your tampon and keep on mowing.
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StephanieMitchell789 8/25/2022 7:42pm
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100% legit question from a neutral party: has there ever been a rider with more haters than JB?

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WVUpetro2013 8/25/2022 7:49pm
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StephanieMitchell789 wrote:
100% legit question from a neutral party: has there ever been a rider with more haters than JB?

Tyler ‘one punch’ Evan?
Ryno?
Maybe post retirement Brian Deegan?

Not sure if any of them had as big of following as Barcia, or were hated as much by the competition.
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DonM 8/25/2022 8:30pm
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StephanieMitchell789 wrote:
100% legit question from a neutral party: has there ever been a rider with more haters than JB?

Yeah…just look at the post above yours…
StephanieMitchell789 8/25/2022 9:20pm
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DonM wrote:
Yeah…just look at the post above yours…
Ok cool. Mike Alessi's Kevin-Windham-like takeout was bad but I think he was unpopular for other reasons also and I'm not sure I'd call his critics haters for the most part. I don't remember much pitchfork action with Alessi.

Yes, Vince Friese!! How could I have forgotten about him. I suspect that Barcia has him beat, especially since the Mookie incident and now this, but I could be wrong.

I didn't pay much attention to MX/SX during the times of Ryno and Tyler Evan so I'm googling them now.

Thanks all for the answers.
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WCRider 8/25/2022 9:30pm
8/25/2022 9:30pm Edited Date/Time 8/25/2022 9:31pm
Not a big Bambam fan but on this, i think Ferrandis is whining a lot because he is in the deep hole of his career and not in a good spot mentally right now. Ferrandis look like a tought cookie to deal with in many ways when things goes wrong. I'm maybe a little bit harsh but the truth is often harsh. Looks like Bambam kept his line on this.
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scott_nz 8/25/2022 11:06pm
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Shaft721 wrote:
Not if you get knocked off by another rider and it’s unintentional. You have the IQ of a 4 year old.
Can you post the rule that you are referring to ?
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J. Sloan 8/26/2022 6:32pm
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The video speaks for itself; it's clear Barcia was riding hard and aggressive, but he did not t-bone Ferrandis. I have said it before, and I will say it again, Barcia is a hero and a legend. He's what the sport needs more of: aggressive riding, a no-holds-barred attitude, and the willingness to fight for your position no matter whether it's 8th or 1st. The back of his jersey should say, Legend.
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KONG 8/26/2022 11:51pm
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The back oh his jersey should say Dumbass.
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KONG 8/27/2022 1:07am
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The reason for the (not so harsh) penalty is sooooo obvious: the powers that be just had enough.

The straw broke the camel...
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AceDudemeisterX 8/27/2022 2:39am
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This is a lot of judgement and hatred based on something that nobody saw.

The sanctioning body issued a punitive judgement based, from my knowledge, on something nobody saw except… Wilson and there seems to be a lot of opinion mixed into his retelling of the event.

SX/ MX, to me, was one of the last real human experiences. Maybe this applies to MX more than SX but I believe it was Hannah that said something like “I’ve lost races on great bikes and won races on horrible bikes.” In MX what you personally have has been more important than what you ride to the gate on.

In the Haiden Deegan story, what a poor decision by him, he is responsible for his actions, to line up at the gate on something questionable that can discredit him and his actions and reputation at an amateur event. Now the bike is more important than the person and other persons. How did the sanctioning body handle this? Poorly.

I was never interested in Barcia before he was a privateer as I was deployed and didn’t have access to these things. Plus, I don’t care about 125/ 250s. In fact I knew very little of him but thought he was all hype and no substance but, this changed. As a privateer he displayed great desire and ability. He fought his way back and re earned a place in the sport. He may never win a 450 championship but neither will ~95% of all 125/ 250/ 450 racer. In fact Honda, Yamaha, and Suzuki haven’t won an SX title since Barcia has been in the 450s either, only Yamaha has with Tomac. What Barcia has done in this time is an incredible triumph.

I’ve watched his GoPro and read the comments. It seems people think that pushing someone off of their line at race speed is acceptable. It also seems people think Barcia should have then surrendered the position. In the second Barcia had to assess the situation, then the second he had to control his bike, then the second he had to navigate the new line, then the second he had to successfully turn the bike, at race speed I think constitutes racing. To me, surrendering is not racing and if pushing people off line is fine then so is brake checking.

In the time I have been aware of Barcia, I’ve never seen him target anyone. I’ve seen Tomac and Stewart target others but Barcia appears to always be racing. This is what I want to see.

To those that say GasGas should hire someone better. I agree. They should hire someone that can beat Tomac, Webb, Anderson, Ferandis, Dungey, Stewart, etc. That someone looks a lot like Barcia. GasGas did a great job hiring a racer like Barcia.

The sanctioning bodies are losing me. I’ve lost interest in SX. The handling of the Deegan/ Star/ amateur situation bothers me. The probation, loss of positions and disqualification for racing is unacceptable to me.
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KONG 8/27/2022 2:54am
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Oh, btw, guess who broke Cairoli's hand?
"I dropped to 4th, I was trying to get back to 3rd, I lost the front on a small corner, so I was trying to get up, everybody avoided me except Justin Barcia, he just hit me straight."
(AC222 interview on LebigUSA)
What a surprise...
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