Steve Matthes…….Claimgate Video…….PulpFictionMX

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Donnie got involved because their partner Star, and their number one amateur rider Deegan, didn't want the bike to be claimed. Makes sense yeah?

Holy cow Steve. The hole is deep enough...STOP digging.
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Steve, use your head. The first interview the kid gave he said he wouldn’t even repeat what Matt said it was so bad. Then threatening his...
Steve, use your head. The first interview the kid gave he said he wouldn’t even repeat what Matt said it was so bad. Then threatening his engine builder etc….Again, if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this. You have Deegan, Potter, Walker and Yamaha trying to talk the kid out of it and he wasn’t budging. Then Chris the dealer takes the kid in a room and comes out and drops the claim?? C’mon man! We all know what happened in that chat without knowing what happened in that chat. It’s also the reason the dealer isn’t talking to anyone. He knows not to say anything. You know it just as the rest of us know it.
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[b]"if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this."[/b] Donnie got involved because their...
"if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this."

Donnie got involved because their partner Star, and their number one amateur rider Deegan, didn't want the bike to be claimed. Makes sense yeah?

Motor builder doesn't matter in this, maybe him and Matt hate each other- whatever. That's not relevant to this situation.

"Then Chris the dealer takes the kid in a room and comes out and drops the claim??"[/b]

Chris the dealer did not take anyone into a room, Chris pulled the dad aside to talk about this.

The dad took the motors and some more stuff from Yamaha to drop the claim, he told me this- what's wrong with that?

The dad took the motors and some more stuff from Yamaha to drop the claim, he told me this- what's wrong with that?

Have you uh... read the claim rule?
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SX_336 wrote:
Steve, use your head. The first interview the kid gave he said he wouldn’t even repeat what Matt said it was so bad. Then threatening his...
Steve, use your head. The first interview the kid gave he said he wouldn’t even repeat what Matt said it was so bad. Then threatening his engine builder etc….Again, if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this. You have Deegan, Potter, Walker and Yamaha trying to talk the kid out of it and he wasn’t budging. Then Chris the dealer takes the kid in a room and comes out and drops the claim?? C’mon man! We all know what happened in that chat without knowing what happened in that chat. It’s also the reason the dealer isn’t talking to anyone. He knows not to say anything. You know it just as the rest of us know it.
Matthes wrote:
[b]"if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this."[/b] Donnie got involved because their...
"if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this."

Donnie got involved because their partner Star, and their number one amateur rider Deegan, didn't want the bike to be claimed. Makes sense yeah?

Motor builder doesn't matter in this, maybe him and Matt hate each other- whatever. That's not relevant to this situation.

"Then Chris the dealer takes the kid in a room and comes out and drops the claim??"[/b]

Chris the dealer did not take anyone into a room, Chris pulled the dad aside to talk about this.

The dad took the motors and some more stuff from Yamaha to drop the claim, he told me this- what's wrong with that?

The dad may have done all this and seems like a much easier way to not rock the boat, but Donnie himself said that even in the room as claim was being dropped he heard Brennan say not really what I want but have no choice. It all stinks, is a bad look but hopefully the kid gets some decent stuff for giving in. Sounding more like dad realized they were going nowhere fast and this was not going to workout well for his son and made the practical decision in the moment, sucks for BS short term but I get it as a dad.
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8/17/2022 3:30pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2022 3:31pm
Matthes wrote:
But what if the dad told me that it was a deal to get motors to drop the claim? Not the minor, but the parent in...
But what if the dad told me that it was a deal to get motors to drop the claim? Not the minor, but the parent in this decided that deal was good enough to drop the claim?

Because he did.
dkurtd wrote:
So, you're saying you had a conversation with the dad? Please tell us more.
Matthes wrote:
Why no video? Huh? It was a text conversation
Why no video? Huh? It was a text conversation
Then publish it Mr. Motocross Reporter.
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USA wrote:
You asked the question. I answered with why MXSports (event promoter) was involved in an AMA officiating matter.
Did they dictate the outcome?
They were involved intimately from start of the claim to the end of the claim.

"You can't observe something without changing it"
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The right answer from all is to straight up offer THE bike to the kid for per the rules of the race. Anything else just indicates a lot of cover up going on. Make it right!
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Steve, can we just talk about Yamaha making a damn 350???

I wore my 250 FX out and had to go with a 350 KTM.

As far as the claimgate fiasco, you should have probably just recused yourself from any opinion like a lawyer or a judge because no matter what you say the pitchforks are out. No one hears you say the kid should have the bike. You are tied deeply with RacerX/MX Sports and Yamaha so no matter what you say people will judge you as a shill. At the same token, no matter what good Yamaha does for privateers by donating bikes to raffle off etc. they will be seen as the big greedy corporation. Sometimes you gotta take the L.
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Steve, do you not see how we all think you were easy on Donny? Listen back, you were feeding him softballs and basically answering for him...
Steve, do you not see how we all think you were easy on Donny? Listen back, you were feeding him softballs and basically answering for him. Do you not see that, serious question.
Matthes wrote:
It sucks to see people saying Donnie should be fired, I know this has been hard on him. Maybe I had some empathy for him? I...
It sucks to see people saying Donnie should be fired, I know this has been hard on him. Maybe I had some empathy for him? I did not feel I was answering for him. Agree to disagree.
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who don't speak enough or being friendly enough with him, has empathy. A few former riders who where, very wrongfully being portrait by you are now laughing so damn hard.
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8/17/2022 3:38pm
Matthes pulling some real Bill "Slick Willy" Clinton shit with this bribe/offer talk.

"I, did not, offer bribes to Brennan Schofield to persuade him to drop the claim. I offered him free motors and a meet your hero RC at the goat farm, but I did not bribe him."
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I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who...
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who don't speak enough or being friendly enough with him, has empathy. A few former riders who where, very wrongfully being portrait by you are now laughing so damn hard.
You're an idiot though, you attacked me on here for no reason so TBH, I don't really care what you say.
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dkurtd wrote:
Then publish it Mr. Motocross Reporter.
Don't you think that without his permission, that would be a bit jacked up of me?
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USA wrote:
Do you think that Brennan would have listened to his friends' advice had he not received the 'offer'? Do you believe this is an honest way...
Do you think that Brennan would have listened to his friends' advice had he not received the 'offer'?

Do you believe this is an honest way to go about this from Donny's side? To appease Star and Deegan by floating an 'offer' to someone that was going to make their life slightly difficult due to a rule in the rulebook?
Matthes wrote:
What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim? He wasn't forced to take it, tied up, beaten, the dad asked, Yamaha offered and they...
What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim? He wasn't forced to take it, tied up, beaten, the dad asked, Yamaha offered and they went on their way.

I still would've held out for the bike tho!
"What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim?"

Maybe the fact that the deal was already done and there's nothing in the rules stating that claims can be reversed.

A bribe (sorry, I meant 'offer') is pressure, and it doesn't matter if it comes from your friends, then we just call it peer pressure. Donny, in this case, isn't even a friend, he's just helping pressure Brennan through two common acquaintances.
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GPrider wrote:
Steve, do you not see how we all think you were easy on Donny? Listen back, you were feeding him softballs and basically answering for him...
Steve, do you not see how we all think you were easy on Donny? Listen back, you were feeding him softballs and basically answering for him. Do you not see that, serious question.
Matthes wrote:
It sucks to see people saying Donnie should be fired, I know this has been hard on him. Maybe I had some empathy for him? I...
It sucks to see people saying Donnie should be fired, I know this has been hard on him. Maybe I had some empathy for him? I did not feel I was answering for him. Agree to disagree.
MXMattii wrote:
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who...
I really wanted to believe you till you said: "Maybe I had some empathy". C'mon the guy who creates witch hunts against riders, teams, dads who don't speak enough or being friendly enough with him, has empathy. A few former riders who where, very wrongfully being portrait by you are now laughing so damn hard.
Obviously you have an axe to grind....
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8/17/2022 3:46pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2022 3:47pm
USA wrote:
They were involved intimately from start of the claim to the end of the claim.

"You can't observe something without changing it"
That's a competence issue, not an intent issue. I don't dispute that it should have been done differently, including the involvement of the minor's parent from the outset.

You responded to a post in which I wrote that the "octupi" implies not that it should have been done better, but that MXSports with its Webb of relationships intended this outcome. Did they dictate this specific outcome is the question you're evading.
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8/17/2022 3:48pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2022 3:58pm
Matthes wrote:
But what if the dad told me that it was a deal to get motors to drop the claim? Not the minor, but the parent in...
But what if the dad told me that it was a deal to get motors to drop the claim? Not the minor, but the parent in this decided that deal was good enough to drop the claim?

Because he did.
dkurtd wrote:
So, you're saying you had a conversation with the dad? Please tell us more.
Matthes wrote:
Why no video? Huh? It was a text conversation
Why no video? Huh? It was a text conversation
Maybe you answered this already and I missed it.

Who contacted the dealer and informed him as to what was going on with the claim?

The dealers statement loosely paraphrased "No one from Yamaha Can, USA or affiliates has contacted me about our Yamaha franchise." This statement was very specific in his exclusion of who had not contacted him about his franchise. So who contacted him about the claim? Certainly he knows who contacted him. Or maybe it was an "anonymous" person, LOL!!

EDIT - The "official" statement from the dealer is in ML's part 3 video 2:47.
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Steve, use your head. The first interview the kid gave he said he wouldn’t even repeat what Matt said it was so bad. Then threatening his...
Steve, use your head. The first interview the kid gave he said he wouldn’t even repeat what Matt said it was so bad. Then threatening his engine builder etc….Again, if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this. You have Deegan, Potter, Walker and Yamaha trying to talk the kid out of it and he wasn’t budging. Then Chris the dealer takes the kid in a room and comes out and drops the claim?? C’mon man! We all know what happened in that chat without knowing what happened in that chat. It’s also the reason the dealer isn’t talking to anyone. He knows not to say anything. You know it just as the rest of us know it.
Matthes wrote:
[b]"if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this."[/b] Donnie got involved because their...
"if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this."

Donnie got involved because their partner Star, and their number one amateur rider Deegan, didn't want the bike to be claimed. Makes sense yeah?

Motor builder doesn't matter in this, maybe him and Matt hate each other- whatever. That's not relevant to this situation.

"Then Chris the dealer takes the kid in a room and comes out and drops the claim??"[/b]

Chris the dealer did not take anyone into a room, Chris pulled the dad aside to talk about this.

The dad took the motors and some more stuff from Yamaha to drop the claim, he told me this- what's wrong with that?

The dad DID NOT file the claim. The kid filed it. Therefore, the dad doesn’t get to decide if the deal is good enough. NOT to mention, the motors were never a set in stone deal. If that were the case, why would Donnie mention in the ML512 interview that the dad reached out again to ask about the motors, but he said it would be a few days before he could get back to the dad. I’m starting to believe you haven’t even watched the videos. I still want to know why Donnie said on PulpMX he was almost to the hotel when he was called and informed about the claim, but told ML512 he was at the track when he found out. And again, it doesn’t matter what Star wanted. The kid filed and paid the claim. DONE DEAL!
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USA wrote:
You asked the question. I answered with why MXSports (event promoter) was involved in an AMA officiating matter.
Did they dictate the outcome?
USA wrote:
They were involved intimately from start of the claim to the end of the claim.

"You can't observe something without changing it"
From what "slowoldguy" aka Burkeen has posted. The AMA sanctioning body does not have the personnel to actually "sanction" all the AMA events and it appears they have delegated/relegated that authority to the promoters.

I had always believed that what separated an AMA event from Chicken Licks was that there was an AMA marshall or official on site that made sure the rules were upheld. If this is not the case...and the event "promoter or organizer" can be delegated sanctioning authority...I think there's a problem.

I've mostly raced Chicken Licks and so have y'all. The amount of favoritism, bullshit and downright cheating is constant. AMA sanctioning was supposed to eliminate that crap. Color me embarrassed.
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USA wrote:
Do you think that Brennan would have listened to his friends' advice had he not received the 'offer'? Do you believe this is an honest way...
Do you think that Brennan would have listened to his friends' advice had he not received the 'offer'?

Do you believe this is an honest way to go about this from Donny's side? To appease Star and Deegan by floating an 'offer' to someone that was going to make their life slightly difficult due to a rule in the rulebook?
Matthes wrote:
What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim? He wasn't forced to take it, tied up, beaten, the dad asked, Yamaha offered and they...
What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim? He wasn't forced to take it, tied up, beaten, the dad asked, Yamaha offered and they went on their way.

I still would've held out for the bike tho!
Steve,

I could be wrong, didnt Mr. Luce say the offer came prior to the claim based on the amateur support program for the two engines based on issues at Moto X? That the two engines were support help and not tied to the claim?

Thanks!
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8/17/2022 3:52pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2022 3:53pm
USA wrote:
"What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim?" Maybe the fact that the deal was already done and there's nothing in the rules stating...
"What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim?"

Maybe the fact that the deal was already done and there's nothing in the rules stating that claims can be reversed.

A bribe (sorry, I meant 'offer') is pressure, and it doesn't matter if it comes from your friends, then we just call it peer pressure. Donny, in this case, isn't even a friend, he's just helping pressure Brennan through two common acquaintances.
A claimant cannot withdraw the claim because the rule doesn't explicitly say they can? That's not even enforcable. That's lunacy. Get out.
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Donnie got involved because their partner Star, and their number one amateur rider Deegan, didn't want the bike to be claimed. Makes sense yeah? Holy cow...
Donnie got involved because their partner Star, and their number one amateur rider Deegan, didn't want the bike to be claimed. Makes sense yeah?

Holy cow Steve. The hole is deep enough...STOP digging.
Matthes: What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim? He wasn't forced to take it, tied up, beaten, the dad asked, Yamaha offered and they went on their way.

I still would've held out for the bike tho!



I cant believe he said that, somebody take the shovel out of his hands!!
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USA wrote:
"What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim?" Maybe the fact that the deal was already done and there's nothing in the rules stating...
"What's dishonest about offering some incentive for dropping the claim?"

Maybe the fact that the deal was already done and there's nothing in the rules stating that claims can be reversed.

A bribe (sorry, I meant 'offer') is pressure, and it doesn't matter if it comes from your friends, then we just call it peer pressure. Donny, in this case, isn't even a friend, he's just helping pressure Brennan through two common acquaintances.
A claimant cannot withdraw the claim because the rule doesn't explicitly say they can? That's not even enforcable. That's lunacy. Get out.
I didn't say they can't withdraw, I implied that it's dishonest to offer someone a bribe, motors, money, etc. to back out of a claim when there's no precedence for that.
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Steve, use your head. The first interview the kid gave he said he wouldn’t even repeat what Matt said it was so bad. Then threatening his...
Steve, use your head. The first interview the kid gave he said he wouldn’t even repeat what Matt said it was so bad. Then threatening his engine builder etc….Again, if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this. You have Deegan, Potter, Walker and Yamaha trying to talk the kid out of it and he wasn’t budging. Then Chris the dealer takes the kid in a room and comes out and drops the claim?? C’mon man! We all know what happened in that chat without knowing what happened in that chat. It’s also the reason the dealer isn’t talking to anyone. He knows not to say anything. You know it just as the rest of us know it.
Matthes wrote:
[b]"if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this."[/b] Donnie got involved because their...
"if Yamaha didn’t actually lean on the dealership there is no reason Donnie would have been inserted in to all this."

Donnie got involved because their partner Star, and their number one amateur rider Deegan, didn't want the bike to be claimed. Makes sense yeah?

Motor builder doesn't matter in this, maybe him and Matt hate each other- whatever. That's not relevant to this situation.

"Then Chris the dealer takes the kid in a room and comes out and drops the claim??"[/b]

Chris the dealer did not take anyone into a room, Chris pulled the dad aside to talk about this.

The dad took the motors and some more stuff from Yamaha to drop the claim, he told me this- what's wrong with that?

SX_336 wrote:
The dad DID NOT file the claim. The kid filed it. Therefore, the dad doesn’t get to decide if the deal is good enough. NOT to...
The dad DID NOT file the claim. The kid filed it. Therefore, the dad doesn’t get to decide if the deal is good enough. NOT to mention, the motors were never a set in stone deal. If that were the case, why would Donnie mention in the ML512 interview that the dad reached out again to ask about the motors, but he said it would be a few days before he could get back to the dad. I’m starting to believe you haven’t even watched the videos. I still want to know why Donnie said on PulpMX he was almost to the hotel when he was called and informed about the claim, but told ML512 he was at the track when he found out. And again, it doesn’t matter what Star wanted. The kid filed and paid the claim. DONE DEAL!
The dad does't get decide if the deal is good enough??? You can't be serious lol!
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dkurtd wrote:
Then publish it Mr. Motocross Reporter.
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Don't you think that without his permission, that would be a bit jacked up of me?
No more jacked up then you saying he took this or took that to drop the claim. If you have some proof it was all on the dad and dealer then put it out there and then you don't have to keep defending people here.
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Is it time for the next pro national yet🤓
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dkurtd wrote:
So, you're saying you had a conversation with the dad? Please tell us more.
Matthes wrote:
Why no video? Huh? It was a text conversation
Why no video? Huh? It was a text conversation
Maybe you answered this already and I missed it. Who contacted the dealer and informed him as to what was going on with the claim? The...
Maybe you answered this already and I missed it.

Who contacted the dealer and informed him as to what was going on with the claim?

The dealers statement loosely paraphrased "No one from Yamaha Can, USA or affiliates has contacted me about our Yamaha franchise." This statement was very specific in his exclusion of who had not contacted him about his franchise. So who contacted him about the claim? Certainly he knows who contacted him. Or maybe it was an "anonymous" person, LOL!!

EDIT - The "official" statement from the dealer is in ML's part 3 video 2:47.
Or, maybe an affiliate contacted him, but not directly about his franchise?

Some of the posts on here (not particularly talking about the quoted post) would do very very poorly in a courtroom.

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8/17/2022 4:05pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2022 4:06pm
Matthes wrote:
Don't you think that without his permission, that would be a bit jacked up of me?
Matthes, you don’t need to defend yourself on here for not sharing a text conversation. You know that.

I respect your opinion on this matter but the fact is the rules were broken by Yamaha and the crappy thing is that the AMA and MX Sports helped them do it and nothing will happen. I love moto to my core and have since I was 9 years old 25 years ago but this sport has always been very clicky in that if you’re in the right click, you can get away with anything. And that sucks. Regardless of anyone’s opinion towards the kid, he should have that motorcycle. He claimed it and gave the money to the AMA. That should’ve been the end of it.
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Matthes wrote:
Don't you think that without his permission, that would be a bit jacked up of me?
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Matthes, you don’t need to defend yourself on here for not sharing a text conversation. You know that. I respect your opinion on this matter but...
Matthes, you don’t need to defend yourself on here for not sharing a text conversation. You know that.

I respect your opinion on this matter but the fact is the rules were broken by Yamaha and the crappy thing is that the AMA and MX Sports helped them do it and nothing will happen. I love moto to my core and have since I was 9 years old 25 years ago but this sport has always been very clicky in that if you’re in the right click, you can get away with anything. And that sucks. Regardless of anyone’s opinion towards the kid, he should have that motorcycle. He claimed it and gave the money to the AMA. That should’ve been the end of it.
Exactly what rules were broken by Yamaha?
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USA wrote:
I didn't say they can't withdraw, I implied that it's dishonest to offer someone a bribe, motors, money, etc. to back out of a claim when...
I didn't say they can't withdraw, I implied that it's dishonest to offer someone a bribe, motors, money, etc. to back out of a claim when there's no precedence for that.
Everyday in America people and businesses with legal rights to property routinely exchange those entitlements for what they consider in their self interest to be a better deal.

Reasonable people can disagree whether one Star bike is or isn't better than the deal offered. But the father had the right to judge what was in his kid's best interest. To say that everyone had to follow through with the claim makes no sense.
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The dad does't get decide if the deal is good enough??? You can't be serious lol!
This has been one of the most unreal things that has emerged here.
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Problem is the "kid" did not want to drop the claim for "the motors". He DID NOT want to drop the claim but was pretty much...
Problem is the "kid" did not want to drop the claim for "the motors". He DID NOT want to drop the claim but was pretty much forced to if he wanted to continue to have his bikes, which were taken away from him anyway after the fact.

Damn dude, Maybe you should put one of those cigarette pack style warning labels on your show for a disclaimer about being totally in the industry's pocket and your opinions are based on who's ass you are kissing!
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But what if the dad told me that it was a deal to get motors to drop the claim? Not the minor, but the parent in...
But what if the dad told me that it was a deal to get motors to drop the claim? Not the minor, but the parent in this decided that deal was good enough to drop the claim?

Because he did.
Then Donnie flat out lied in the interview you had where you clearly didn’t pay attention. Donnie says that he knew he couldn’t change Brennan’s mind, and the motors were a sign of goodwill and not a deal.

40:45 of your YouTube upload
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