Things I took away from the pulp interviews..

MxKing809 wrote:

What interest does a current Yamaha dealer have in keeping a good relationship with Yamaha? Great question I guess we’ll never figure out……

Pakoyz250f wrote:

Was trying to help... maybe you forgot to mention them. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of posts and what you brought to the table is...

Was trying to help... maybe you forgot to mention them.

There are literally hundreds and hundreds of posts and what you brought to the table is irrelevant.

This is black and white. Kid made a claim until he didn´t.. Whatever happened sucks for him.

This should get a precedent. Don´t bring a bike you are afraid to lose.

Matthes wrote:

I think I said, like 14 times, the kid should have the bike.

MxKing809 wrote:

Steve, Let me lay this out: Donnie and Walker are chilling at Walkers RV, seemingly talking about the weather. They call Brennan et al over and...

Steve,

Let me lay this out:

Donnie and Walker are chilling at Walkers RV, seemingly talking about the weather.

They call Brennan et al over and begin conversations

Motors were offered (and allegedly a day at the Farm)

Dad and dealer have sidebar and decide to pull the claim


EVEN IF there was no threat, either explicit or implied, do you REALLY believe the motor offer was disconnected from future decisions Brendan’s camp were about to make? C’mon man…..

Matthes wrote:

The kid said dealer pressured him to pull the claim because of Yamaha. Kid never mentioned motors except to me. Somewhere along the way (this part...

The kid said dealer pressured him to pull the claim because of Yamaha. Kid never mentioned motors except to me.

Somewhere along the way (this part is unclear) motors were offered to the kid because earlier in the week he did go to Yamaha saying he keeps blowing up motors..

Even if Luce says "Hey man, drop the claim and we'll give you motors"..what's wrong with that as long as it wasn't under threat of intimidation or whatever and IF IT WAS, why did kid say it was his dealer pressuring him to drop claim? Why not just say that?

Why did dealer deny anyone from Yamaha ever saying they were pulling support from him and why would any reasonable person think an amateur support guy has the power to do that to a dealer in another country?

Again, if you're going scorched earth like this kid did, why throw innocent dealer under the bus and not the threat of Yamaha and taking motors?

MxKing809 wrote:

What interest does a current Yamaha dealer have in keeping a good relationship with Yamaha? Great question I guess we’ll never figure out……

Pakoyz250f wrote:

Yeah, then why discredit the kid even more, with your TMZ "he said this then that bla bla" The main point is he doesn´t have the...

Yeah, then why discredit the kid even more, with your TMZ "he said this then that bla bla"

The main point is he doesn´t have the bike, something bad happened in between.

TeamGreen wrote:

As others have said, far too many [i]"people that should be smarter than that"[/i] have spent WAY TOO MUCH TIME ignoring the rule: [b]Motivation has no...

As others have said, far too many "people that should be smarter than that" have spent WAY TOO MUCH TIME ignoring the rule: Motivation has no place in this...well...until some of these people thought this should be a bad episode of The Kardashians.

The "ass kissing" and "sucking up" is truly embarrassing. The denial that intimidation, manipulation and political tactics were used to scare the living shit out of a minor is, also, pretty damn sad and makes me pissed at quite few people that were there when it all went down.

It appears some specificity is needed when it comes down to HOW and WHEN this rule WILL BE ENFORCED...
"Immediately AFTER the Claimed Bike's Rider rides their last race, the bike will go directly to impound. NOTHING SHALL BE removed, replaced or handled by ANYONE after the race." Maybe that needs to be in there?

I do appreciate that they had all these "participants in the fiasco" on the show; but, some of the leading questions and un-needed assistance with answers was worse than listening to really bad karaoke.

USA wrote:

"The denial that intimidation, manipulation and political tactics were used to scare the living shit out of a minor is, also, pretty damn sad and makes...

"The denial that intimidation, manipulation and political tactics were used to scare the living shit out of a minor is, also, pretty damn sad and makes me pissed at quite few people that were there when it all went down."

I believe we have the same views on this matter. Whom are you pissed at?

TeamGreen wrote:

ANYONE... That asked the kid,"Why?" PERIOD! ANYONE... That opened their F'ing mouth at the kid that wasn't "Invovled" in the Claim (Deegan/AMA/The Kid are the ONLY...

ANYONE...

That asked the kid,"Why?" PERIOD!

ANYONE...

That opened their F'ing mouth at the kid that wasn't "Invovled" in the Claim (Deegan/AMA/The Kid are the ONLY PARTIES TO THE CLAIM).

As I've said from the on-set:

I can completely understand the Deegan's trying to keep the bike or attempting to stay involved with the discussion. It's their damn race bike!So, sure, they're gonna be involved in the discussion. But, ONLY in the presence of THE OFFICIALS.

I DO NOT understand HOW or WHY ANYONE-ELSE was involved. P E R I O D !!!

And, guess what?I don't want or need to. Again...Period!

The Claiming Rule needs clarification, specificity and ENFORCEMENT. P E R I O D !!!

Furthermore, Outside INTRUSIVE INVOLVEMENT NEEDS TO REQUIRE THAT PEOPLE ARE WALKED OFF THE F'ING PROPERTY. Never-mind the simple fact that waaaay too much of this is manipulative.

Look, this really is just like a BAD EPISODE of The Kardashians. I mean...Damn. This is embarrassing.

Personally, and to explain where "I'm coming from", well, there's a lot to unpack here. Like the simple fact that I DON'T have a problem with the huge motorhomes and race transporters in the Lorretta's pits. I DON'T have a problem with the simple reality that some families have more money than others. Hell, at the very 1st LL's in 1982...my dad and I stayed in a tent. It was AWESOME! Team Green had a Semi there and they took damn good care of us Kawi-Team-Green riders! Some called that "unfair"...as they unloaded their ubber-expensive "R&D" RM 125s ...which I found kinda funny! So, this kind of "thing" has been around for a long, long, long time.

And...I know some folks blow a fuse that some of these "amateurs" live at Club Moto and what-not.
I DON'T CARE!

I simply care that we AT-THE-VERY-LEAST... -WE- ENFORCE the VERY FEW RULES that actually "try" to level the playing field.

Rules that are SUPPOSED TO address a potetntially unfair advantage.

When we get to the point that some riders have "unobtanium"? That, right there...you're shitting ALL OVER the rules.
Period.

When we play these stupid games and LITERALLY scare, threaten, manipulate and outright "run the table"in the rules...AGAINST the rules...and, worst of all, make it obvious that "there's something to hide"...?

We, the racing community...
Our Sanctioning Bodies...
Our Promoters...
Our Guardians and Gate Keepers...

Have SHIT the bed.

And, my brother, that includes you and me.

WE can demand that this stuff...these rules have teeth.

I mean, damn, this shit is embarrassing and way past ridiculous. From whatever went down at LL's to the absolute media shit show*.

Ahhh, well, shit. As usual, I digress.

My bad.

Manny...an opinionated old racer that still rides, races and cares about this sport...this life.



*(Astreisk explained): I'll bet this "media-shit show" is a social-media score across the board; and, that is a Good Thing! I love that Steve and his kind are out there and I LOVE that people are listening to his show, watching YouTube, posting in IG, twitter, FB, TikTok...Vital MX...That goof Cooksey...WHATEVER!
It's how we all found out about it! ...it's the new way that these things get so much attention...and, hopefully...
That yields a solution.

Matthes wrote:

I think it's clear that the kid has "misremembered" things, he hasn't had a straight story either. He seems nice, but he hasn't been 100% upfront...

I think it's clear that the kid has "misremembered" things, he hasn't had a straight story either. He seems nice, but he hasn't been 100% upfront with this whole thing either.

USA wrote:

"The denial that intimidation, manipulation and political tactics were used to scare the living shit out of a minor is, also, pretty damn sad and makes...

"The denial that intimidation, manipulation and political tactics were used to scare the living shit out of a minor is, also, pretty damn sad and makes me pissed at quite few people that were there when it all went down."

I believe we have the same views on this matter. Whom are you pissed at?

TeamGreen wrote:

ANYONE... That asked the kid,"Why?" PERIOD! ANYONE... That opened their F'ing mouth at the kid that wasn't "Invovled" in the Claim (Deegan/AMA/The Kid are the ONLY...

ANYONE...

That asked the kid,"Why?" PERIOD!

ANYONE...

That opened their F'ing mouth at the kid that wasn't "Invovled" in the Claim (Deegan/AMA/The Kid are the ONLY PARTIES TO THE CLAIM).

As I've said from the on-set:

I can completely understand the Deegan's trying to keep the bike or attempting to stay involved with the discussion. It's their damn race bike!So, sure, they're gonna be involved in the discussion. But, ONLY in the presence of THE OFFICIALS.

I DO NOT understand HOW or WHY ANYONE-ELSE was involved. P E R I O D !!!

And, guess what?I don't want or need to. Again...Period!

The Claiming Rule needs clarification, specificity and ENFORCEMENT. P E R I O D !!!

Furthermore, Outside INTRUSIVE INVOLVEMENT NEEDS TO REQUIRE THAT PEOPLE ARE WALKED OFF THE F'ING PROPERTY. Never-mind the simple fact that waaaay too much of this is manipulative.

Look, this really is just like a BAD EPISODE of The Kardashians. I mean...Damn. This is embarrassing.

Personally, and to explain where "I'm coming from", well, there's a lot to unpack here. Like the simple fact that I DON'T have a problem with the huge motorhomes and race transporters in the Lorretta's pits. I DON'T have a problem with the simple reality that some families have more money than others. Hell, at the very 1st LL's in 1982...my dad and I stayed in a tent. It was AWESOME! Team Green had a Semi there and they took damn good care of us Kawi-Team-Green riders! Some called that "unfair"...as they unloaded their ubber-expensive "R&D" RM 125s ...which I found kinda funny! So, this kind of "thing" has been around for a long, long, long time.

And...I know some folks blow a fuse that some of these "amateurs" live at Club Moto and what-not.
I DON'T CARE!

I simply care that we AT-THE-VERY-LEAST... -WE- ENFORCE the VERY FEW RULES that actually "try" to level the playing field.

Rules that are SUPPOSED TO address a potetntially unfair advantage.

When we get to the point that some riders have "unobtanium"? That, right there...you're shitting ALL OVER the rules.
Period.

When we play these stupid games and LITERALLY scare, threaten, manipulate and outright "run the table"in the rules...AGAINST the rules...and, worst of all, make it obvious that "there's something to hide"...?

We, the racing community...
Our Sanctioning Bodies...
Our Promoters...
Our Guardians and Gate Keepers...

Have SHIT the bed.

And, my brother, that includes you and me.

WE can demand that this stuff...these rules have teeth.

I mean, damn, this shit is embarrassing and way past ridiculous. From whatever went down at LL's to the absolute media shit show*.

Ahhh, well, shit. As usual, I digress.

My bad.

Manny...an opinionated old racer that still rides, races and cares about this sport...this life.



*(Astreisk explained): I'll bet this "media-shit show" is a social-media score across the board; and, that is a Good Thing! I love that Steve and his kind are out there and I LOVE that people are listening to his show, watching YouTube, posting in IG, twitter, FB, TikTok...Vital MX...That goof Cooksey...WHATEVER!
It's how we all found out about it! ...it's the new way that these things get so much attention...and, hopefully...
That yields a solution.

USA wrote:

I could not agree more with what you have written.

Pakoyz250f wrote:

wow.. exactly the point! Nothing of what happened after the claim is right! So you are saying "either" so could you elaborate? Apart of the kid...

wow.. exactly the point! Nothing of what happened after the claim is right!

So you are saying "either" so could you elaborate?

Apart of the kid who hasn´t been 100% upfront? names?

Landshark wrote:

This is what I learned: Top talent with big time sponsorship are ALLOWED TO CHEAT! Not allowing up and coming superstars to cheat can get you...

This is what I learned:

Top talent with big time sponsorship are ALLOWED TO CHEAT!
Not allowing up and coming superstars to cheat can get you BLACKBALLED in our sport.

Pakoyz250f wrote:

Yeah, then why discredit the kid even more, with your TMZ "he said this then that bla bla" The main point is he doesn´t have the...

Yeah, then why discredit the kid even more, with your TMZ "he said this then that bla bla"

The main point is he doesn´t have the bike, something bad happened in between.

Matthes wrote:

I think it's clear that the kid has "misremembered" things, he hasn't had a straight story either. He seems nice, but he hasn't been 100% upfront...

I think it's clear that the kid has "misremembered" things, he hasn't had a straight story either. He seems nice, but he hasn't been 100% upfront with this whole thing either.

wolf18 wrote:

I think what bothered me was matthes kept saying, I don’t know why this kid would put this out there. Or something like that. Basically, matthes...

I think what bothered me was matthes kept saying, I don’t know why this kid would put this out there. Or something like that. Basically, matthes was saying Brennan was lying without saying Brennan was lying.

Matthes wrote:

Well, Brennan (who seems like a good kid), said in his initial video interview that his dealer (Chris from Motoplex) told him Yamaha said they were...

Well, Brennan (who seems like a good kid), said in his initial video interview that his dealer (Chris from Motoplex) told him Yamaha said they were going to pull the dealers support and/or franchise if he went through with this claim. The dealer is saying did not say this.

Brennen said that it was Cotter and Deegan with him in a room, we know now Mike from AMA was in there also.

Brennen never mentioned the motors from Yamaha in his initial video interview, first time was to me. That seems rather important fact no?

To me, THE most effed up thing in this was Brennen saying that Yamaha was threatening this dealer..if true, that's absolutely terrible. Brennen admitted to me he didn't know WHO told his dealer that AND the dealer said no one from Yamaha said anything to him about that.

Brennan, who again SHOULD have this bike, has not been consistent in his side of the story. That's 100% true.

Landshark wrote:

This is what I learned: Top talent with big time sponsorship are ALLOWED TO CHEAT! Not allowing up and coming superstars to cheat can get you...

This is what I learned:

Top talent with big time sponsorship are ALLOWED TO CHEAT!
Not allowing up and coming superstars to cheat can get you BLACKBALLED in our sport.

wolf18 wrote:

Where I’m getting at is this. You come across as very passionate about taking care of the privateers in our sport. And rightfully so, you do...

Where I’m getting at is this. You come across as very passionate about taking care of the privateers in our sport. And rightfully so, you do a lot for these guys that are all struggling. I think the hardest part is I don’t hear you pulling for a small time guy like Brennan in the same respect.

I don’t think I’m alone when I say that you are in a position to help with some positive changes so this never happens again. I think you could be a voice to make this right with Brennan. Why can’t star and Brennan work something out so he can maybe get a full amateur prepped bike from the team?

Yeah it’s not gonna have a engine with secret parts, but it’s step in the direction of making this right again.

Matthes wrote:

Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never...

Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never brought up the two motors in the first interview, isn't that a key part of this story? Like, he said he backed his claim off from pressure from his dealer and wait, didn't the two motors have something to do with this possibly?

Keep in mind, his dealer has said no one from Yamaha called him.

He told me he lost his ride because of this, his dealer is saying that's not true, that he's always had to get the bikes back.

Pakoyz250f wrote:

Ok you can keep discredit him over and over but you can´t say even one name of the other part.. So the other part didn´t do...

Ok you can keep discredit him over and over but you can´t say even one name of the other part..

So the other part didn´t do nothing wrong, all they say is 100% true but 17 years old kid OH MAN HE SAID THIS THEN HE DIDN¨T SAY THAT OMG!!!

Thanks for replying...

Matthes wrote:

I'm pulling for Brennen in saying 14X that he should have this bike. A rule is a rule but he pulled his claim down and the...

I'm pulling for Brennen in saying 14X that he should have this bike. A rule is a rule but he pulled his claim down and the ins and outs of that are up for debate.

I don't think ruining a companies name (Yamaha) a long time industry guy (Luce) and maybe, maybe not lying about what someone told you (dealer) is cool unless that's actually what happened and it doesn't seem that it did happen the way he told it.

mb60 wrote:

How many people on Vital were at the ranch that witnessed any of this shit ? Just like those in the media that is chiming in...

How many people on Vital were at the ranch that witnessed any of this shit ? Just like those in the media that is chiming in. The bike was claimed and if he wanted it he would have received it. What kind of dad let's this happen to his 17 year old son feel threatened? Drop the crap and move on from it all it's over. This site seems like TMZ with all this Deegan BS. We're they cheating who knows now.

Pakoyz250f wrote:

wow.. exactly the point! Nothing of what happened after the claim is right! So you are saying "either" so could you elaborate? Apart of the kid...

wow.. exactly the point! Nothing of what happened after the claim is right!

So you are saying "either" so could you elaborate?

Apart of the kid who hasn´t been 100% upfront? names?

Matthes wrote:

Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never...

Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never brought up the two motors in the first interview, isn't that a key part of this story? Like, he said he backed his claim off from pressure from his dealer and wait, didn't the two motors have something to do with this possibly?

Keep in mind, his dealer has said no one from Yamaha called him.

He told me he lost his ride because of this, his dealer is saying that's not true, that he's always had to get the bikes back.

fourfourone wrote:

People ask why the screen shot of Brennen talking shit at Southwick is important.... Over and Over people say how much of a nice mature well...

People ask why the screen shot of Brennen talking shit at Southwick is important....

Over and Over people say how much of a nice mature well spoken kid he is etc...


By the post he made talking shit to Deegan clearly shows he's not the nice mature kid that he portrays in the video.

So how creditable is his side of the story?

Matthes wrote:

Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never...

Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never brought up the two motors in the first interview, isn't that a key part of this story? Like, he said he backed his claim off from pressure from his dealer and wait, didn't the two motors have something to do with this possibly?

Keep in mind, his dealer has said no one from Yamaha called him.

He told me he lost his ride because of this, his dealer is saying that's not true, that he's always had to get the bikes back.