Deegan bike claimed? Everyone, please stop now

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OldPro277 8/11/2022 8:21am
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Ok, sooooo does anyone actually think that "claimant" and his family will actually come clean and tell the entire accurate story of what went down ??? Likely scenarios

A.) If they were intimidated enough to withdraw the Claim, then I'm sure that intimidation factor will flow over into telling the truth as well.

B.) If they were paid off by Star/Yamaha with 2 stock engines and misc parts, once again there is no way that they will divulge that (also probably part of a signed NDA)

C.) Any full truthfulness would likely have to come from the guy that put up the money--- and we know who he is and what his background/reputation is like , so we are probably going nowhere there either


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I tend to fall somewhere in the middle with all of this, unless we somehow see proof (which we probably won't.) I respect ML for only wanting to report if there is a legit on-record quote for it. At the same time, I at least give Cooksey credit for putting out some things that are maybe controversial and you wouldn't hear from regular sources. But I also know that he can only do that because of his position within the industry. Whereas many others just have too much to lose to do that, without proof. And Cooksey didn't put it out there as fact, it was just what he heard. And there may be some truth to it. Even if there is a little bit about how it was handled (pressure on the kid, consequences for the sponsor/dealer etc) that is kind of messed up. That being said, claiming the bike is kind of petty and I can understand Star being pissed and not wanting it to get into other people's hands.
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olds cool wrote:
The only part I’m really interested in hearing about, if it actually happened, is how Cotter and Deegan got to the kid before he got to...
The only part I’m really interested in hearing about, if it actually happened, is how Cotter and Deegan got to the kid before he got to the AMA official. The rest, to me, is inconsequential.
SlowOldGuy wrote:
That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I...
That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I was also there right after the kid brought the protest up and the reason the kid was in the room without his father is because his father wasn’t there. Derek Harris wanted in the room but was not allowed because he was not the parent or guardian. That is absolutely positively firsthand because I was in the room

What part is untrue? Are you confirming that Deegan and Schofield were in a room woth you alone? Was cotter the only other person there?

It sounds like the only thing you are saying is actually confirming what olds cool is referring to, that the kid was in that room with these guys, without any adult backup.
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#Claimgate?

#DerekHarrisgate?

#Stargate?

#Intimigate?
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As a somewhat rational, glass-half-full type of person, I had posted what I thought was a reasonable, believable hypothesis to this situation.

I apologize for my carelessness and take it back.

Carry on.

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olds cool wrote:
The only part I’m really interested in hearing about, if it actually happened, is how Cotter and Deegan got to the kid before he got to...
The only part I’m really interested in hearing about, if it actually happened, is how Cotter and Deegan got to the kid before he got to the AMA official. The rest, to me, is inconsequential.
SlowOldGuy wrote:
That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I...
That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I was also there right after the kid brought the protest up and the reason the kid was in the room without his father is because his father wasn’t there. Derek Harris wanted in the room but was not allowed because he was not the parent or guardian. That is absolutely positively firsthand because I was in the room

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What part is untrue? Are you confirming that Deegan and Schofield were in a room woth you alone? Was cotter the only other person there? It...
What part is untrue? Are you confirming that Deegan and Schofield were in a room woth you alone? Was cotter the only other person there?

It sounds like the only thing you are saying is actually confirming what olds cool is referring to, that the kid was in that room with these guys, without any adult backup.
If he's man enough to lay down 17k without his dad around then he's man enough to discuss it with the officials and the person he's trying to legally steal the bike from without his dad.
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SlowOldGuy wrote:
That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I...
That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I was also there right after the kid brought the protest up and the reason the kid was in the room without his father is because his father wasn’t there. Derek Harris wanted in the room but was not allowed because he was not the parent or guardian. That is absolutely positively firsthand because I was in the room

USA wrote:
What part is untrue? Are you confirming that Deegan and Schofield were in a room woth you alone? Was cotter the only other person there? It...
What part is untrue? Are you confirming that Deegan and Schofield were in a room woth you alone? Was cotter the only other person there?

It sounds like the only thing you are saying is actually confirming what olds cool is referring to, that the kid was in that room with these guys, without any adult backup.
Gary Duck wrote:
If he's man enough to lay down 17k without his dad around then he's man enough to discuss it with the officials and the person he's...
If he's man enough to lay down 17k without his dad around then he's man enough to discuss it with the officials and the person he's trying to legally steal the bike from without his dad.
Legally steal? Weird way of wording it.
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dmm698 8/11/2022 8:44am
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The only way we could get any more Drama out of this on Vital is if Harris found the courage to bring his arrogance back and post whatever he told ML on the phone.
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SlowOldGuy wrote:
That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I...
That part is categorically untrue! I was in the room the whole time when Deegen was there and nothing happened there was no intimidation whatsoever. I was also there right after the kid brought the protest up and the reason the kid was in the room without his father is because his father wasn’t there. Derek Harris wanted in the room but was not allowed because he was not the parent or guardian. That is absolutely positively firsthand because I was in the room

USA wrote:
What part is untrue? Are you confirming that Deegan and Schofield were in a room woth you alone? Was cotter the only other person there? It...
What part is untrue? Are you confirming that Deegan and Schofield were in a room woth you alone? Was cotter the only other person there?

It sounds like the only thing you are saying is actually confirming what olds cool is referring to, that the kid was in that room with these guys, without any adult backup.
Gary Duck wrote:
If he's man enough to lay down 17k without his dad around then he's man enough to discuss it with the officials and the person he's...
If he's man enough to lay down 17k without his dad around then he's man enough to discuss it with the officials and the person he's trying to legally steal the bike from without his dad.
stealing the bike.....really... the rule should be 1.5 times the value of the bike to prevent spoiled little rich kids from having an advantage based on daddies money over real amateurs, since it is an amateur championship and not a factory pro championship
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backinthesaddleagain 8/11/2022 8:55am
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How old is the kid again? I might have missed it. The kid carries $17K around alone? Why wasn't a parent with him in this situation, did a parent not feel good about this perhaps use of the kid? Not implying anything but if someone is under 18 and carrying that kind of cash while alone for such a situation I see things could go bad.
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backinthesaddleagain wrote:
How old is the kid again? I might have missed it. The kid carries $17K around alone? Why wasn't a parent with him in this situation...
How old is the kid again? I might have missed it. The kid carries $17K around alone? Why wasn't a parent with him in this situation, did a parent not feel good about this perhaps use of the kid? Not implying anything but if someone is under 18 and carrying that kind of cash while alone for such a situation I see things could go bad.
100% agree, that is a part I don't believe in the Cooksey video. Who would let their kid walk around with $17k, I know NO ONE!
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backinthesaddleagain wrote:
How old is the kid again? I might have missed it. The kid carries $17K around alone? Why wasn't a parent with him in this situation...
How old is the kid again? I might have missed it. The kid carries $17K around alone? Why wasn't a parent with him in this situation, did a parent not feel good about this perhaps use of the kid? Not implying anything but if someone is under 18 and carrying that kind of cash while alone for such a situation I see things could go bad.
Derek Harris put up the money for the kid to claim the bike.


That part shocks me as well---- I would have thought Harris's take was that his engines make Stars look like shit , anyway, so why would need to tear into one ???? LMAO Woohoo
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88FYNN88 8/11/2022 9:04am
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backinthesaddleagain wrote:
How old is the kid again? I might have missed it. The kid carries $17K around alone? Why wasn't a parent with him in this situation...
How old is the kid again? I might have missed it. The kid carries $17K around alone? Why wasn't a parent with him in this situation, did a parent not feel good about this perhaps use of the kid? Not implying anything but if someone is under 18 and carrying that kind of cash while alone for such a situation I see things could go bad.
OldPro277 wrote:
Derek Harris put up the money for the kid to claim the bike. That part shocks me as well---- I would have thought Harris's take was...
Derek Harris put up the money for the kid to claim the bike.


That part shocks me as well---- I would have thought Harris's take was that his engines make Stars look like shit , anyway, so why would need to tear into one ???? LMAO Woohoo
I am a bit mechanically incompetent, could an engine builder really learn that much from just cracking open a Star engine? They talked about how the ECU is locked so, what could he really learn from looking at the engine?
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Gary Duck 8/11/2022 9:34am
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USA wrote:
What part is untrue? Are you confirming that Deegan and Schofield were in a room woth you alone? Was cotter the only other person there? It...
What part is untrue? Are you confirming that Deegan and Schofield were in a room woth you alone? Was cotter the only other person there?

It sounds like the only thing you are saying is actually confirming what olds cool is referring to, that the kid was in that room with these guys, without any adult backup.
Gary Duck wrote:
If he's man enough to lay down 17k without his dad around then he's man enough to discuss it with the officials and the person he's...
If he's man enough to lay down 17k without his dad around then he's man enough to discuss it with the officials and the person he's trying to legally steal the bike from without his dad.
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Legally steal? Weird way of wording it.
Weird? yes, but that's exactly what the claiming rule is. The bike wasn't for sale so they're using a rule to force them to hand over their bike or face DQ and suspension from racing.

If the government claims your land under "imminent domain" you'd get compensated but I'll bet you'd feel like your land was stolen from you...
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backinthesaddleagain wrote:
How old is the kid again? I might have missed it. The kid carries $17K around alone? Why wasn't a parent with him in this situation...
How old is the kid again? I might have missed it. The kid carries $17K around alone? Why wasn't a parent with him in this situation, did a parent not feel good about this perhaps use of the kid? Not implying anything but if someone is under 18 and carrying that kind of cash while alone for such a situation I see things could go bad.
16 years old.
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swordfish 8/11/2022 10:07am
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OldPro277 wrote:
Ok, sooooo does anyone actually think that "claimant" and his family will actually come clean and tell the entire accurate story of what went down...
Ok, sooooo does anyone actually think that "claimant" and his family will actually come clean and tell the entire accurate story of what went down ??? Likely scenarios

A.) If they were intimidated enough to withdraw the Claim, then I'm sure that intimidation factor will flow over into telling the truth as well.

B.) If they were paid off by Star/Yamaha with 2 stock engines and misc parts, once again there is no way that they will divulge that (also probably part of a signed NDA)

C.) Any full truthfulness would likely have to come from the guy that put up the money--- and we know who he is and what his background/reputation is like , so we are probably going nowhere there either


From the people I have spoken to that are close to the family in our riding community, they did not receive anything from Star.
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Boomslang 8/11/2022 10:17am
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17 pages ...close on 500 comments and some of ya still not happy. How long this dead horse gonna be flogged?
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JK BRO 8/11/2022 10:20am
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What happened to Brian's live video stream and why it was deleted?

I only got parts of it before it was taken down. Brian was agitated about the "bike" because when asked about it he commented along the lines of "what bike, my bicycle" then told chat to stop "grasping straws".

Something went down and if I've learned anything it's the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.


Either way it will be interesting to see how all this affects proam riders and their bikes in the future. Star is clearly in the crosshairs and it's unlikely they want this type of publicity.
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swordfish 8/11/2022 10:30am
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Boomslang wrote:
17 pages ...close on 500 comments and some of ya still not happy. How long this dead horse gonna be flogged?
Move it to non Moto and you can find out.
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backinthesaddleagain 8/11/2022 10:43am
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88FYNN88 wrote:
I am a bit mechanically incompetent, could an engine builder really learn that much from just cracking open a Star engine? They talked about how the...
I am a bit mechanically incompetent, could an engine builder really learn that much from just cracking open a Star engine? They talked about how the ECU is locked so, what could he really learn from looking at the engine?
Maybe to see if they are running a different cam profile (lift, duration), cam degree, some different valve springs that might allow higher rpm, get an idea of the compression ratio (head milled or different gasket thickness), any lightening of the piston, rod, or crank. Could be all sorts of things.
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backinthesaddleagain 8/11/2022 10:57am
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Maybe Dirt Bike Magazine could bring back Super Hunky for a Dateline type investigation.
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gt80rider 8/11/2022 11:35am
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So at this point we have-

On one side we have a kid that took money from an engine building to claim the bike

On the other- we have Brian Deegan, Cotter, Yamaha, and others, going off on the kid to force him into withdrawing the claim

seems like a bit of a mess on both sides.. please correct what is wrong above, as this seems to be the story at this point...

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crackalack 8/11/2022 12:06pm
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The dealer in question was likely at Loretta’s, as his son raced it as well so it probably wasn’t a long distance call, and he should be easily reached. If schofield is up north again, then perhaps billy or Palms will sit him down and ask the question. If a “journalist” wanted to report on it and find out another side, maybe “someone tell the kid to call me” and then slamming him because he doesn’t isn’t the way you go about it. Just my Canadian nickel.
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aeffertz 8/11/2022 12:59pm
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Cooksey responded to Brian’s claims of grasping at straws. He says Brian is lying about the engine builder putting up the money. Though the best part of the video is when he gets offended by someone in chat and calls them a douche bag. Here’s the video of anyone wants to keep following this shitshow. Grinning

https://youtu.be/zBrBMH5mDy4
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8tensolutions 8/11/2022 1:07pm
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Some of you are confusing journalism with detectives in a criminal manner.
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theprinterguy! 8/11/2022 1:34pm
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aeffertz wrote:
Cooksey responded to Brian’s claims of grasping at straws. He says Brian is lying about the engine builder putting up the money. Though the best part...
Cooksey responded to Brian’s claims of grasping at straws. He says Brian is lying about the engine builder putting up the money. Though the best part of the video is when he gets offended by someone in chat and calls them a douche bag. Here’s the video of anyone wants to keep following this shitshow. Grinning

https://youtu.be/zBrBMH5mDy4
Right on Cooksey. Deegan's don't have a dime in on this- It's all Star. Star had better get busy fast-like before Brennan Lawyers up.
A. Invite him out to the compound.
B. Have ready for him a brand new replica Hayden bike- that he take's home- Gratis.
C. Get's to spend the day with them just as he was a star rider. Case closed
D. You video and document.

btw, I do know a real nice guy named "Craig" that got screwed over...

Thanks- The Printer Guy
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Ya know, you get good threads every couple of weeks "eli is great/sucks" or "Barcia is a monster". Then you get great threads once every 6 months or so "open letter to webb" "let me wash your boots guy"... Then there is this thread... the only thing missing I "think" is a james Stewart or Jason Lawrence reference.. thread of the year?? Decade? All time?
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Natester551v 8/11/2022 1:44pm
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Kooksey may stumble on to some truth occasionally, but he's a complete nutjob. Oh, and his YouTube channel sucks a$$. This just muddies the water because Kooksey is so undisciplined and loony in his National Enquirer style...Star and Deegan is probably glad he waded into this.
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aeffertz wrote:
Cooksey responded to Brian’s claims of grasping at straws. He says Brian is lying about the engine builder putting up the money. Though the best part...
Cooksey responded to Brian’s claims of grasping at straws. He says Brian is lying about the engine builder putting up the money. Though the best part of the video is when he gets offended by someone in chat and calls them a douche bag. Here’s the video of anyone wants to keep following this shitshow. Grinning

https://youtu.be/zBrBMH5mDy4
Where's the video that Brian made?
I've yet to see it.

Also...I wonder who the "Someone @ Yamaha" is?
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theprinterguy! 8/11/2022 1:52pm
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Natester551v wrote:
Kooksey may stumble on to some truth occasionally, but he's a complete nutjob. Oh, and his YouTube channel sucks a$$. This just muddies the water because...
Kooksey may stumble on to some truth occasionally, but he's a complete nutjob. Oh, and his YouTube channel sucks a$$. This just muddies the water because Kooksey is so undisciplined and loony in his National Enquirer style...Star and Deegan is probably glad he waded into this.
Most of would want both sides of the story- and then we alone can make up our mind's.
Remember however- You have to leave the Deegan's out of this- It could be Ryder D's bike. It's not the rider but "The Bike" It's "Star's" bike. They prep and have it ready. Remove that factor and it becomes clearer.
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