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Leeham 7/20/2022 10:49am
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I refuse to believe Haiden Deegan was able to win the Redbud Combine on a stock motor.
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mattyhamz2 7/20/2022 11:06am
7/20/2022 11:06am
Dirty Points wrote:
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/07/20/560372/s1200_Claiming.jpg[/img]
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule...

There’s a reason. If you want to ruin your kids chance of ever getting a ride and any possible support in this sport, that’s how you do it.
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Dirty Points 7/20/2022 11:15am
7/20/2022 11:15am Edited Date/Time 7/20/2022 11:57am
Dirty Points wrote:
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/07/20/560372/s1200_Claiming.jpg[/img]
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule...

mattyhamz2 wrote:
There’s a reason. If you want to ruin your kids chance of ever getting a ride and any possible support in this sport, that’s how you...
There’s a reason. If you want to ruin your kids chance of ever getting a ride and any possible support in this sport, that’s how you do it.
But what if my kid is reasonably fast regionally, but also only fast enough to get absolutely smoked by the Ryder D's of the world. He's looking to go to college, not to get a ride... And that PC bike sure looks a lot better than the tired 250F and bucket of parts in the garage.
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crowe660 7/20/2022 12:23pm
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Leeham wrote:
I refuse to believe Haiden Deegan was able to win the Redbud Combine on a stock motor.
Yea, no, for sure, even jumped the leap on a stock 250f.
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Cayden Thompson 7/20/2022 12:54pm
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I could buy a brand new stock bike and a decent truck for 40 grand...
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face biter 7/20/2022 1:10pm
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I like that there is a method in the rules for people to police the overspending, but they feel that it will blackball them and / or their kid if they do.
If that is true I say fuck the industry, and any narrow minded putz within the industry that supports that kind of bullshit.
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sandman768 7/20/2022 1:18pm
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Makes 125 2 strokes a lot more appealing….
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Dirty Points wrote:
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/07/20/560372/s1200_Claiming.jpg[/img]
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule...

NSP139 wrote:
Best way to get black balled from the industry!
Not true.
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Jeremy Macduff 7/20/2022 2:13pm
7/20/2022 2:13pm Edited Date/Time 7/20/2022 2:13pm
Anyone care to explain this "Claiming" business? I've never understood it. Would appreciate a summary of what that means and why it even exists.
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SX_336 7/20/2022 2:24pm
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Stock 2022 KX250: $8,000 Showa A-Kit Suspension: $10,000 Works Engine Mods: $10,000 Ti-6 Exhaust System: $1,500 Hinson Clutch Kit: $2,000 Galfer Rotors & Braided Steel Lines...
Stock 2022 KX250: $8,000
Showa A-Kit Suspension: $10,000
Works Engine Mods: $10,000
Ti-6 Exhaust System: $1,500
Hinson Clutch Kit: $2,000
Galfer Rotors & Braided Steel Lines: $1,000
Misc Farkle: $2,000
Works Chassis: $???? (I'm very curious what exactly a "Works Chassis" is comprised of besides custom motor mounts).

Seems way over-priced. What's odd is they are also charging tax. It's a used off-road vehicle, so why would tax be applicable here?

You left out the new Dunlop Pro level “Scoop Tires.” 4,000.00

Then there is the 3500.00 for shipping.

😂😂
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yz763 7/20/2022 2:37pm
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Do one have to wait for Moto 3 to finish before one can claim a bike or can it be claimed at the end of Moto 1? Asking for a friend.
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Stock 2022 KX250: $8,000 Showa A-Kit Suspension: $10,000 Works Engine Mods: $10,000 Ti-6 Exhaust System: $1,500 Hinson Clutch Kit: $2,000 Galfer Rotors & Braided Steel Lines...
Stock 2022 KX250: $8,000
Showa A-Kit Suspension: $10,000
Works Engine Mods: $10,000
Ti-6 Exhaust System: $1,500
Hinson Clutch Kit: $2,000
Galfer Rotors & Braided Steel Lines: $1,000
Misc Farkle: $2,000
Works Chassis: $???? (I'm very curious what exactly a "Works Chassis" is comprised of besides custom motor mounts).

Seems way over-priced. What's odd is they are also charging tax. It's a used off-road vehicle, so why would tax be applicable here?

In WA, you have to pay sales tax in the form of a “Title Transfer Fee” every time you buy a vehicle. Doesn’t matter if it’s street, dirt, etc. I’m guessing CA might be similar since WA tends to follow CA with regard to tax revenue ideas…oops, I mean “fees”…
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Zooki 7/20/2022 3:07pm
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Anyone care to explain this "Claiming" business? I've never understood it. Would appreciate a summary of what that means and why it even exists.
In AMA sanctioned amateur events, you're allowed to claim the bike of a competitor in your class. By claiming the bike, you're committing to immediately buy the bike for 30% over MSRP (50% over for a Supermini). The claim can be submitted anytime up to 30 minutes after final results for the class have been posted. If the owner refuses to sell the bike, they forfeit their results for the event and receive a 1-year suspension from the AMA. This rule doesn't apply to vintage bikes.

The intention is to keep a level playing field in amateur racing. In theory, the rule prevents amateurs from investing significantly more than 30% of the bikes value to get a competitive advantage.
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mattyhamz2 7/20/2022 3:32pm
7/20/2022 3:32pm
Dirty Points wrote:
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/07/20/560372/s1200_Claiming.jpg[/img]
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule...

mattyhamz2 wrote:
There’s a reason. If you want to ruin your kids chance of ever getting a ride and any possible support in this sport, that’s how you...
There’s a reason. If you want to ruin your kids chance of ever getting a ride and any possible support in this sport, that’s how you do it.
Dirty Points wrote:
But what if my kid is reasonably fast regionally, but also only fast enough to get absolutely smoked by the Ryder D's of the world. He's...
But what if my kid is reasonably fast regionally, but also only fast enough to get absolutely smoked by the Ryder D's of the world. He's looking to go to college, not to get a ride... And that PC bike sure looks a lot better than the tired 250F and bucket of parts in the garage.
Then the rule isn’t there for your kid. I didn’t say I agree with what happens when you try to claim a bike, I just know why no one does. I believe there was an issue in the 70’s or 80’s at the pro level as well with someone trying to claim a factory Honda and ALL of the manufacturers got involved to try to make sure Honda didn’t lose one of their factory bikes. It was one of those if it happened once, it was going to happen again and the manufacturers didn’t want it happening to themselves. I don’t remember the full story as it’s been a while, but the big 4 went to the AMA about it afterwards.
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Dirty Points 7/20/2022 3:56pm
7/20/2022 3:56pm Edited Date/Time 7/20/2022 4:08pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
There’s a reason. If you want to ruin your kids chance of ever getting a ride and any possible support in this sport, that’s how you...
There’s a reason. If you want to ruin your kids chance of ever getting a ride and any possible support in this sport, that’s how you do it.
Dirty Points wrote:
But what if my kid is reasonably fast regionally, but also only fast enough to get absolutely smoked by the Ryder D's of the world. He's...
But what if my kid is reasonably fast regionally, but also only fast enough to get absolutely smoked by the Ryder D's of the world. He's looking to go to college, not to get a ride... And that PC bike sure looks a lot better than the tired 250F and bucket of parts in the garage.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Then the rule isn’t there for your kid. I didn’t say I agree with what happens when you try to claim a bike, I just know...
Then the rule isn’t there for your kid. I didn’t say I agree with what happens when you try to claim a bike, I just know why no one does. I believe there was an issue in the 70’s or 80’s at the pro level as well with someone trying to claim a factory Honda and ALL of the manufacturers got involved to try to make sure Honda didn’t lose one of their factory bikes. It was one of those if it happened once, it was going to happen again and the manufacturers didn’t want it happening to themselves. I don’t remember the full story as it’s been a while, but the big 4 went to the AMA about it afterwards.
My question is, since PC is spending so much over the claiming value on these amateur machines, what is preventing a guy like that from just cutting the check and grabbing Ryder's actual factory bike for less than the cost of a "factory edition"? The threat of withholding a ride is pretty much a non-threat in that case.
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dizzy8085 7/20/2022 4:04pm
7/20/2022 4:04pm Edited Date/Time 7/20/2022 4:06pm
Leeham wrote:
I refuse to believe Haiden Deegan was able to win the Redbud Combine on a stock motor.
That previous poster heard incorrectly from that podcast.

They said that the pro motors have a little more power than the amateur motors. Amateur motors are still mod bikes.
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Dirty Points 7/20/2022 4:30pm
7/20/2022 4:30pm
Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Stock 2022 KX250: $8,000 Showa A-Kit Suspension: $10,000 Works Engine Mods: $10,000 Ti-6 Exhaust System: $1,500 Hinson Clutch Kit: $2,000 Galfer Rotors & Braided Steel Lines...
Stock 2022 KX250: $8,000
Showa A-Kit Suspension: $10,000
Works Engine Mods: $10,000
Ti-6 Exhaust System: $1,500
Hinson Clutch Kit: $2,000
Galfer Rotors & Braided Steel Lines: $1,000
Misc Farkle: $2,000
Works Chassis: $???? (I'm very curious what exactly a "Works Chassis" is comprised of besides custom motor mounts).

Seems way over-priced. What's odd is they are also charging tax. It's a used off-road vehicle, so why would tax be applicable here?

PNWMXer wrote:
In WA, you have to pay sales tax in the form of a “Title Transfer Fee” every time you buy a vehicle. Doesn’t matter if it’s...
In WA, you have to pay sales tax in the form of a “Title Transfer Fee” every time you buy a vehicle. Doesn’t matter if it’s street, dirt, etc. I’m guessing CA might be similar since WA tends to follow CA with regard to tax revenue ideas…oops, I mean “fees”…
Ad listing in O.P. clearly states "+tax"
neverwas 7/20/2022 4:35pm
7/20/2022 4:35pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
There’s a reason. If you want to ruin your kids chance of ever getting a ride and any possible support in this sport, that’s how you...
There’s a reason. If you want to ruin your kids chance of ever getting a ride and any possible support in this sport, that’s how you do it.
Dirty Points wrote:
But what if my kid is reasonably fast regionally, but also only fast enough to get absolutely smoked by the Ryder D's of the world. He's...
But what if my kid is reasonably fast regionally, but also only fast enough to get absolutely smoked by the Ryder D's of the world. He's looking to go to college, not to get a ride... And that PC bike sure looks a lot better than the tired 250F and bucket of parts in the garage.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Then the rule isn’t there for your kid. I didn’t say I agree with what happens when you try to claim a bike, I just know...
Then the rule isn’t there for your kid. I didn’t say I agree with what happens when you try to claim a bike, I just know why no one does. I believe there was an issue in the 70’s or 80’s at the pro level as well with someone trying to claim a factory Honda and ALL of the manufacturers got involved to try to make sure Honda didn’t lose one of their factory bikes. It was one of those if it happened once, it was going to happen again and the manufacturers didn’t want it happening to themselves. I don’t remember the full story as it’s been a while, but the big 4 went to the AMA about it afterwards.

John Roder successfully claimed Marty Tripes works Honda, He then let Jerome Highberger race it locally, was a very cool bike and was cool to see in the pits around Nor- Cal at the time.

https://motocrossactionmag.com/flashback-friday-john-roeder-the-amas-cu….
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RyanD797 7/20/2022 4:36pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
My question is, since PC is spending so much over the claiming value on these amateur machines, what is preventing a guy like that from just...
My question is, since PC is spending so much over the claiming value on these amateur machines, what is preventing a guy like that from just cutting the check and grabbing Ryder's actual factory bike for less than the cost of a "factory edition"? The threat of withholding a ride is pretty much a non-threat in that case.
Because then every other Kawasaki(or PC) supported rider in that class would also file to claim the bike...and everyone else that is in the "in" crowd in that class. So then there are 10 people filing to claim the bike where a random winner gets the bike. 9 times out of 10 it would probably go back to the original owner, but if you caught that 10th time just right it would probably work out for you to get an awesome bike at a decent price.
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T-Fish 7/20/2022 4:50pm
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Anyone care to explain this "Claiming" business? I've never understood it. Would appreciate a summary of what that means and why it even exists.
Zooki wrote:
In AMA sanctioned amateur events, you're allowed to claim the bike of a competitor in your class. By claiming the bike, you're committing to immediately buy...
In AMA sanctioned amateur events, you're allowed to claim the bike of a competitor in your class. By claiming the bike, you're committing to immediately buy the bike for 30% over MSRP (50% over for a Supermini). The claim can be submitted anytime up to 30 minutes after final results for the class have been posted. If the owner refuses to sell the bike, they forfeit their results for the event and receive a 1-year suspension from the AMA. This rule doesn't apply to vintage bikes.

The intention is to keep a level playing field in amateur racing. In theory, the rule prevents amateurs from investing significantly more than 30% of the bikes value to get a competitive advantage.
It’s funny this is being brought up. I jokingly mentioned it to a couple of my friends this weekend when Phil mentioned he may race amateur day at Millville. I figured his bike has to be worth $20k.

When I looked it up, it said 2x MSRP. What’s the difference between the rule you found and the one I found?
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FastEddy 7/20/2022 4:52pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/07/20/560372/s1200_Claiming.jpg[/img]
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule...

NSP139 wrote:
Best way to get black balled from the industry!
MyBobbym wrote:
Not true.
Yep.
I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003.
There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But it wasn't the end of the world for Chatfield.
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dingo 7/20/2022 7:09pm
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30% over the MSRP of $8,399 is $10,918. You’re telling me someone wouldn’t risk their future factory rides and pay $11k for that bike?? Or a better one that’s not a test bike
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NSP139 wrote:
Best way to get black balled from the industry!
MyBobbym wrote:
Not true.
FastEddy wrote:
Yep. I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003. There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But...
Yep.
I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003.
There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But it wasn't the end of the world for Chatfield.
Trying to race the C class in 04 was lol
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Sr_Vet_Rider 7/20/2022 7:28pm
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MyBobbym wrote:
Not true.
FastEddy wrote:
Yep. I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003. There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But...
Yep.
I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003.
There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But it wasn't the end of the world for Chatfield.
[YM] wrote:
Trying to race the C class in 04 was lol
That wasn’t Adam Chatfield, it was his buddy Alex Snow from Britain. He was a pro that won the truck at Attack MX series. He had to return the truck and the kid that got 2nd, ended up with the truck.
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mattyhamz2 7/20/2022 7:42pm
7/20/2022 7:42pm Edited Date/Time 7/20/2022 7:42pm
Dirty Points wrote:
But what if my kid is reasonably fast regionally, but also only fast enough to get absolutely smoked by the Ryder D's of the world. He's...
But what if my kid is reasonably fast regionally, but also only fast enough to get absolutely smoked by the Ryder D's of the world. He's looking to go to college, not to get a ride... And that PC bike sure looks a lot better than the tired 250F and bucket of parts in the garage.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Then the rule isn’t there for your kid. I didn’t say I agree with what happens when you try to claim a bike, I just know...
Then the rule isn’t there for your kid. I didn’t say I agree with what happens when you try to claim a bike, I just know why no one does. I believe there was an issue in the 70’s or 80’s at the pro level as well with someone trying to claim a factory Honda and ALL of the manufacturers got involved to try to make sure Honda didn’t lose one of their factory bikes. It was one of those if it happened once, it was going to happen again and the manufacturers didn’t want it happening to themselves. I don’t remember the full story as it’s been a while, but the big 4 went to the AMA about it afterwards.
Dirty Points wrote:
My question is, since PC is spending so much over the claiming value on these amateur machines, what is preventing a guy like that from just...
My question is, since PC is spending so much over the claiming value on these amateur machines, what is preventing a guy like that from just cutting the check and grabbing Ryder's actual factory bike for less than the cost of a "factory edition"? The threat of withholding a ride is pretty much a non-threat in that case.
Realistically nothing, but you know as well as I do that 95% of the dads that have kids racing A or B think their kid is the next big thing and will not take the chance of their “next RC” not getting help or a ride over an amateur team bike.
UpTiTe 7/20/2022 7:46pm
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KiwiBermRailer wrote:
Some privateers are running close to top 10 in the nationals on pretty much stock bikes. $41k is a lot of money to get you through...
Some privateers are running close to top 10 in the nationals on pretty much stock bikes. $41k is a lot of money to get you through the season.
UpTiTe wrote:
There are zero privateers running towards the front on a stock motor 250f.
mx313 wrote:
Wasn't masterpool on a stock engine with his brothers suspension? 7k bike 4k suspension and he was top 3 for a while and in front of...
Wasn't masterpool on a stock engine with his brothers suspension? 7k bike 4k suspension and he was top 3 for a while and in front of ryder d's factory bike
That motor was not stock at all.
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seth505 7/20/2022 7:52pm
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Expensive bike, would still get smoked by my massaged RMZ. Grinning
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LouisianaMotocross 7/20/2022 7:53pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
There are zero privateers running towards the front on a stock motor 250f.
mx313 wrote:
Wasn't masterpool on a stock engine with his brothers suspension? 7k bike 4k suspension and he was top 3 for a while and in front of...
Wasn't masterpool on a stock engine with his brothers suspension? 7k bike 4k suspension and he was top 3 for a while and in front of ryder d's factory bike
UpTiTe wrote:
That motor was not stock at all.
So masterpool told a lie? You have any proof?
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bigk218 7/20/2022 8:33pm
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Unfortunately you really need to be selling two of these to make it worth it. Anyone buying this for anything other than a show piece needs multiple similarly equipped bikes. Makes no sense to practice all week on a “stocker” and ride this on race day. You’ll never feel comfortable. Pretty cool regardless
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Sully 7/20/2022 8:37pm
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Why's everyone so worried about how someone else decides to spend their money? Even if it was half the cost (it would still be less than the cost of the parts), none of you would be buying it, so don't sweat it...
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