No Toil & Pink Goo

sgrimmxdad
Edited Date/Time 6/30/2022 7:04am
I have been wondering for years, been waiting for someone else to bring it up but I can't stand it anymore.

I use No Toil products on our filters. The ONLY complaint I have is the pink "goo" or slime that builds up around any filter with a grommet.

I thought it must be a build up around the grommet that I must not be getting the excess off. I just cleaned three this morning from our YZ450F and all three had the goo. I had made a point to squeeze the excess oil from around the grommets very good before installing. I do heavily oil them but make sure to get out the excess, rather be safe than sorry.

This stuff is hard to get off and sticks on the rest of the filter and gives it a slick feeling. I have to rewash them and use VERY HOT WATER to get them clean and sometimes you can still see a sheen on the filter from this goo.

I love the simplicity of the No Toil and being able to clean them without gas or strong chemicals but this is nerve racking!
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
I have been wondering for years, been waiting for someone else to bring it up but I can't stand it anymore. I use No Toil products...
I have been wondering for years, been waiting for someone else to bring it up but I can't stand it anymore.

I use No Toil products on our filters. The ONLY complaint I have is the pink "goo" or slime that builds up around any filter with a grommet.

I thought it must be a build up around the grommet that I must not be getting the excess off. I just cleaned three this morning from our YZ450F and all three had the goo. I had made a point to squeeze the excess oil from around the grommets very good before installing. I do heavily oil them but make sure to get out the excess, rather be safe than sorry.

This stuff is hard to get off and sticks on the rest of the filter and gives it a slick feeling. I have to rewash them and use VERY HOT WATER to get them clean and sometimes you can still see a sheen on the filter from this goo.

I love the simplicity of the No Toil and being able to clean them without gas or strong chemicals but this is nerve racking!
My bikes sucks dirt with no toil. I think the no toil drys out and that is the goo your seeing.
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sgrimmxdad 6/28/2022 3:48am
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
I have been wondering for years, been waiting for someone else to bring it up but I can't stand it anymore. I use No Toil products...
I have been wondering for years, been waiting for someone else to bring it up but I can't stand it anymore.

I use No Toil products on our filters. The ONLY complaint I have is the pink "goo" or slime that builds up around any filter with a grommet.

I thought it must be a build up around the grommet that I must not be getting the excess off. I just cleaned three this morning from our YZ450F and all three had the goo. I had made a point to squeeze the excess oil from around the grommets very good before installing. I do heavily oil them but make sure to get out the excess, rather be safe than sorry.

This stuff is hard to get off and sticks on the rest of the filter and gives it a slick feeling. I have to rewash them and use VERY HOT WATER to get them clean and sometimes you can still see a sheen on the filter from this goo.

I love the simplicity of the No Toil and being able to clean them without gas or strong chemicals but this is nerve racking!
Sandusky26 wrote:
My bikes sucks dirt with no toil. I think the no toil drys out and that is the goo your seeing.
Interesting, we have been using it for almost 10 years and ride in very dusty/sandy dirt most of the time. We pull or intake apart and check for dirt every 4-6 hours and other than what is dropped changing filters we haven't had any dirt get by. I do my filters just before riding, so maybe not enough time to dry out as bad??
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sgrimmxdad wrote:
I have been wondering for years, been waiting for someone else to bring it up but I can't stand it anymore. I use No Toil products...
I have been wondering for years, been waiting for someone else to bring it up but I can't stand it anymore.

I use No Toil products on our filters. The ONLY complaint I have is the pink "goo" or slime that builds up around any filter with a grommet.

I thought it must be a build up around the grommet that I must not be getting the excess off. I just cleaned three this morning from our YZ450F and all three had the goo. I had made a point to squeeze the excess oil from around the grommets very good before installing. I do heavily oil them but make sure to get out the excess, rather be safe than sorry.

This stuff is hard to get off and sticks on the rest of the filter and gives it a slick feeling. I have to rewash them and use VERY HOT WATER to get them clean and sometimes you can still see a sheen on the filter from this goo.

I love the simplicity of the No Toil and being able to clean them without gas or strong chemicals but this is nerve racking!
Sandusky26 wrote:
My bikes sucks dirt with no toil. I think the no toil drys out and that is the goo your seeing.
sgrimmxdad wrote:
Interesting, we have been using it for almost 10 years and ride in very dusty/sandy dirt most of the time. We pull or intake apart and...
Interesting, we have been using it for almost 10 years and ride in very dusty/sandy dirt most of the time. We pull or intake apart and check for dirt every 4-6 hours and other than what is dropped changing filters we haven't had any dirt get by. I do my filters just before riding, so maybe not enough time to dry out as bad??
Yep I would oil my filters the night before so they wouldn’t have a chance to dry out. I started shimming valves at 40 running no toil. Replaced valves at 55 hours and switched filter oil. Just checked them at 105 and they haven’t moved. I also ran No Toil for years and love the ease of use.
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joe stanley 6/28/2022 5:17am
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Used to use No Toil. Switched to Twin Air Bio years ago. No pink mess. Great results, no issues with drying out.
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I have been using no toil (red bottle) for years and have no clue what pink goo you are referring to. I have never seen or heard of anyone else having that issue. Wish I could be more help, but love no toil's ease of cleaning.
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Kenny Lingus 6/28/2022 6:37am
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I too have been using no toil for decades. Last 2 times I went to wash my filters they were either disintegrated or glue was failing. Twin air fliters that have never been used in anything but no toil. I'm going to switch.

One of the guys I ride with uses it as well and he had some he pre-oiled and they got moldy. Not sure what's up with no toil but it appears something changed.
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I switched from Twin Air to No Toil last spring and loved how much easier it is to clean, but I did have a extremely muddy race with standing water and sucked dirt but luckily it was last moto and it didn’t seem like too much. I now use it but if there is a mud race will switch to Maxima FFT and keep two filters only used with that oil. Has been great in all other conditions, I have never seen anything pink though
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SmokinJoe439 6/28/2022 7:18am
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That pink goo is just excess oil build up I think the cleaner interaction causes it. To go from the red to pinkish. Just squeeze clean it out nothing more to it.
I like to leave mine in a bucket with the cleaner let them soak. And thats what happens.

Nothing new to me never really gave it much thought.

But air filters need to be changed swapped out for new ones semi often. Depending on how much I ride but after a year or two i get new ones.
Been using no toil since 02 never had a problem with it ever.
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I've had the pink goo. Potentially from over oiling and it can be tough to properly clean the oil out from that area. It could also be from the oil getting trapped in behind the grommet, and the alcohol not being able to evaporate away properly.

Try use less oil. I've always had better luck pouring the oil onto the filter in stages and working it in, as opposed to completely submerging it like some people do.
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POWLEY256 6/28/2022 8:10am
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Take the rubber grommets out of the filter when you clean them, problem solved 😉
Been using notoil now for around 15years, never hand any issues even in the dustiest of conditions. 🤷‍♂️
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mxbrian15 6/28/2022 5:43pm
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Kenny Lingus wrote:
I too have been using no toil for decades. Last 2 times I went to wash my filters they were either disintegrated or glue was failing...
I too have been using no toil for decades. Last 2 times I went to wash my filters they were either disintegrated or glue was failing. Twin air fliters that have never been used in anything but no toil. I'm going to switch.

One of the guys I ride with uses it as well and he had some he pre-oiled and they got moldy. Not sure what's up with no toil but it appears something changed.
I’ve leaned that if you let the no toil oil sit on the filter too long, it will weaken the glue and filter material. Once I started cleaning them the day after riding, that seemed to solve the issue.

Also, don’t oil the filter and let it site in out for weeks before it’s used and cleaned. At least that’s what has worked for me for about 12 years.

Also, the green no toil oil seems to be a lot less aggressive with the glue and filter media.
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hubbardmx50 6/28/2022 5:59pm
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I've been using no toil filters, oil and wash powder as long as I can remember. No pink goo to speak of. Can you post a picture to show us what you're talking about?
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Jeremy Macduff 6/28/2022 6:13pm
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No Toil sucks, plain and simple.

Best filter oil is Maxima FFT. Easy to clean with Maxima's spray on filter cleaner, followed by a hot soak with oxy clean. Don't oil your spare filters until you are ready to ride. Best to leave them dry until you actually need the air filter.
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Timo 6/28/2022 7:56pm
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Just remove the grommet and clean it separately, the Yamaha uses a 2 piece grommet that pulls apart. Works for me, no pink goo. Also I've used green and red no-toil since at least 2009 on multiple bikes, and never had a dirt sucking issue.
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I use no toil red with a UNI 2 stage filter, plus filter skins. I've never seen pink goo.
The oil works so well, that after 5 or 6 rides (sometimes more), when I swap a skin, the filter is still 100% clean. It's bright red.
I just put on a clean pre-oiled skin and keep riding.
I have 6 skins now.
When all of them are dirty, or the filter becomes dirty, I clean everything, then pre-oil the skins.
It's working out well.
Even on a 125, the skins don't seem to rob any power.

The instructions say, after oiling the skins, to leave them out to fully dry for something like 24 hours before sealing them in a ziploc bag. Otherwise, the alcohol will dry them out and cause damage. The alcohol dissipates in 24 hours.
Is this what's happening when you guys pre-oil the filters? Are you sealing them up immediately?

I had a few seams come apart a few years ago, but felt that was happening when I used too much of the cleaning powder.
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BAD10 6/29/2022 12:02am
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Been using No Toil for years. Switched to the green about ten years ago which stays suspended in the filter much better. Great stuff.
sgrimmxdad 6/29/2022 3:06am
6/29/2022 3:06am
Ive already cleaned all our dirty filters, but here's one that has a slight bit of the residue behind the grommet. BTW, only part of the grommet comes out, correct? The center piece that tolds the filter off the screen. Ill get a good picture of the goo after riding this weekend!

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I get it occasionally when over-oiling.

One thing I noticed is if I shake the bottle of oil before applying and then over oil, it doesn't happen. I think it begins to separate when it's just sitting in the bottle. Especially when it's 90+ in my garage and 105+ outside.

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Kenny Lingus wrote:
I too have been using no toil for decades. Last 2 times I went to wash my filters they were either disintegrated or glue was failing...
I too have been using no toil for decades. Last 2 times I went to wash my filters they were either disintegrated or glue was failing. Twin air fliters that have never been used in anything but no toil. I'm going to switch.

One of the guys I ride with uses it as well and he had some he pre-oiled and they got moldy. Not sure what's up with no toil but it appears something changed.
mxbrian15 wrote:
I’ve leaned that if you let the no toil oil sit on the filter too long, it will weaken the glue and filter material. Once I...
I’ve leaned that if you let the no toil oil sit on the filter too long, it will weaken the glue and filter material. Once I started cleaning them the day after riding, that seemed to solve the issue.

Also, don’t oil the filter and let it site in out for weeks before it’s used and cleaned. At least that’s what has worked for me for about 12 years.

Also, the green no toil oil seems to be a lot less aggressive with the glue and filter media.
I learned the hard way with the red alcohol based No-Toil ruining filters/seam glue… don’t seal them up in a ziplock after oiling. It’s the alcohol that wrecks the glue at the seams… needs to “off-gas”. I put them in a loosely tied plastic grocery bag now.
Donkey Kong 6/29/2022 9:51am
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Pretty sure you're suppose to let them dry out after you oil them. It's not suppose to be wet when ready for use. I used no toil and never had any dirt pass.
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Kenny Lingus 6/29/2022 10:40am
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Kenny Lingus wrote:
I too have been using no toil for decades. Last 2 times I went to wash my filters they were either disintegrated or glue was failing...
I too have been using no toil for decades. Last 2 times I went to wash my filters they were either disintegrated or glue was failing. Twin air fliters that have never been used in anything but no toil. I'm going to switch.

One of the guys I ride with uses it as well and he had some he pre-oiled and they got moldy. Not sure what's up with no toil but it appears something changed.
mxbrian15 wrote:
I’ve leaned that if you let the no toil oil sit on the filter too long, it will weaken the glue and filter material. Once I...
I’ve leaned that if you let the no toil oil sit on the filter too long, it will weaken the glue and filter material. Once I started cleaning them the day after riding, that seemed to solve the issue.

Also, don’t oil the filter and let it site in out for weeks before it’s used and cleaned. At least that’s what has worked for me for about 12 years.

Also, the green no toil oil seems to be a lot less aggressive with the glue and filter media.
RCMXracing wrote:
I learned the hard way with the red alcohol based No-Toil ruining filters/seam glue… don’t seal them up in a ziplock after oiling. It’s the alcohol...
I learned the hard way with the red alcohol based No-Toil ruining filters/seam glue… don’t seal them up in a ziplock after oiling. It’s the alcohol that wrecks the glue at the seams… needs to “off-gas”. I put them in a loosely tied plastic grocery bag now.
This got me thinking of what I might had done differently from the past to cause my issues that I never had before. I soon as I saw "ziploc" I remembered last fall pre-oiling them to take with me to a sandtrack. They were allowed to dry for a day before going into a ziploc but one never got used until later and the other sat in a ziploc dirty, which I never do. No more ziplocs for me I think.

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Kenny Lingus wrote:
I too have been using no toil for decades. Last 2 times I went to wash my filters they were either disintegrated or glue was failing...
I too have been using no toil for decades. Last 2 times I went to wash my filters they were either disintegrated or glue was failing. Twin air fliters that have never been used in anything but no toil. I'm going to switch.

One of the guys I ride with uses it as well and he had some he pre-oiled and they got moldy. Not sure what's up with no toil but it appears something changed.
Not to hijack the thread, but when you switch back give WR Performance F3 filter cleaner a shot. It works very well and does not smell. It has been a game changer for me.
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motoGleamer 6/29/2022 8:03pm
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I had a horrible experience with No Toil. I put a new oiled filter in after i cleaned my bike and it sat for a few days. Somehow the oil either dried out or evaporated and basically half my filter had no oil on it. Airbox was full of shit. In the trash it went and never again.

I dont care how easy it is to clean. I'm not using an oil that can't sit for more than a few days on a filter.
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If used No Toil for 15-20 years. I have never had an issue. I have about 15 filters and put a new filter in ever ride. I clean my filters ALOT and I have never had any issues at all with coverage, oil drying up or anything. Maybe once a year I’ll get a filter that separates cause of the glue but a lot of that is due to either time, handling of the filter frequently, or sometimes I get too happy on the water temp and it’s too hot and breaks down the glue. The cleaner and oil system I think is the best in the industry IMO.
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motoGleamer wrote:
I had a horrible experience with No Toil. I put a new oiled filter in after i cleaned my bike and it sat for a few...
I had a horrible experience with No Toil. I put a new oiled filter in after i cleaned my bike and it sat for a few days. Somehow the oil either dried out or evaporated and basically half my filter had no oil on it. Airbox was full of shit. In the trash it went and never again.

I dont care how easy it is to clean. I'm not using an oil that can't sit for more than a few days on a filter.
Sounds like user error.
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fourfourone 6/30/2022 7:03am
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I've used no toil red spray for years. Shake it for a minute, then I apply an even thick coat on the outside and inside of the filter. Work the oil in by hand and then let it dry for at least 24 hours. A few times I have let a freshly oiled filter sit for months at a time and its still just as tacky as when I first did it.

When I go to put a clean filter in I add a quick layer of spray on the lip of the filter where it seals to the intake. Once it dries it creates a super sticky bond between the filter and mating surface.

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