Better riders vs the spodes

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I'm not necessarily talking pro level riders but when you're at the track you can clearly tell the better riders from the decent spodes. They decent spodes are hitting all the jumps and moving around the track well enough but there is something "off". Is it just an issue of fundamentals? Are there certain things that better riders have had "click" that takes the skills to the next level?

Looking to grab some tips on how to progress from decent spode to better spode. Let's say going from C rider to B rider to maybe be more clear.
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Dirt.Squirt 6/18/2022 5:19pm
6/18/2022 5:19pm Edited Date/Time 6/18/2022 5:32pm
I get what you’re saying but I wouldn’t call a b rider a “better Spode” by any means

Most people just want to focus on jumping because it’s the funnest part. The guys that don’t look “spodey” are usually the ones focusing on cornering, proper technique and form.

People need to quit talking themselves down when it comes to moto just because you can’t hang with that local pro doesn’t mean you’re not a decent rider!!!
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SmokinJoe439 6/18/2022 5:32pm
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Then there's the I only ride here guys who have the track dialed in. Go somewhere else and they aren't as good.
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TbonesPop 6/18/2022 5:33pm
6/18/2022 5:33pm
Usually its body position and how aggressive they are in the attack position. Also agree with the above on guys with focusing on cornering and good form (very aggressive attack position with elbows up).

I wouldn't call anyone spodey unless they are: A) Riding a quad (fat guy lean in full effect) or Cool Wearing Blue jeans, a tee shirt, and work boots instead of riding gear on a totally clapped out trail bike on the MX track.

I do get a little annoyed with the kids revving the piss out of their 250Fs when in the air like they are BamBam. But that's not spodey, just annoying.
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motoGleamer 6/18/2022 5:36pm
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Dirt.Squirt wrote:
I get what you’re saying but I wouldn’t call a b rider a “better Spode” by any means Most people just want to focus on jumping...
I get what you’re saying but I wouldn’t call a b rider a “better Spode” by any means

Most people just want to focus on jumping because it’s the funnest part. The guys that don’t look “spodey” are usually the ones focusing on cornering, proper technique and form.

People need to quit talking themselves down when it comes to moto just because you can’t hang with that local pro doesn’t mean you’re not a decent rider!!!
Appreciate the response. I dont actually think B riders are spodes but was more joking about it to keep the post interesting.

My observation at the track is that the better riders are easily identified because they "look" better in addition to actually being faster. There is a flow that they seem to have that the less good riders don't have. I was just looking to hear from the better riders how they got to that point.
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mattyhamz2 6/18/2022 9:58pm
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SmokinJoe439 wrote:
Then there's the I only ride here guys who have the track dialed in. Go somewhere else and they aren't as good.
These guys are the absolute worst. Know way too many of them unfortunately
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motoGleamer wrote:
Appreciate the response. I dont actually think B riders are spodes but was more joking about it to keep the post interesting. My observation at the...
Appreciate the response. I dont actually think B riders are spodes but was more joking about it to keep the post interesting.

My observation at the track is that the better riders are easily identified because they "look" better in addition to actually being faster. There is a flow that they seem to have that the less good riders don't have. I was just looking to hear from the better riders how they got to that point.
Practice and comfort. The more you practice, the more you’ll know how to position your body to counteract the movements of the bike reacting to the track. Lots of people look like they are going fast because they are all over the bike, but that means nothing when the gate drops.
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Boomslang 6/19/2022 1:03am
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motoGleamer wrote:
I'm not necessarily talking pro level riders but when you're at the track you can clearly tell the better riders from the decent spodes. They decent...
I'm not necessarily talking pro level riders but when you're at the track you can clearly tell the better riders from the decent spodes. They decent spodes are hitting all the jumps and moving around the track well enough but there is something "off". Is it just an issue of fundamentals? Are there certain things that better riders have had "click" that takes the skills to the next level?

Looking to grab some tips on how to progress from decent spode to better spode. Let's say going from C rider to B rider to maybe be more clear.
You want to get faster and fitter?

You can't do it on your own. You need Constructive and disciplined practice. Someone needs to identify your flaws as a rider, to show you the correct way, the bike setup can always be better, diet and correct off bike training. Plenty of ex Pro's out there who are now trainers... .invest in a riding coach. The sooner the better.
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bichwolf 6/19/2022 6:50am
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Following fast riders through sections at a distance helps to determine where to try to be faster.
The top pro level riding is just insane. Otherwise, I have learned that a lot of point and shoot speed, and a lot of coming in HOT and giving a clinic on braking and entry speed and exit is where fast guys don't waste time.
Suspension set up so critical. I am the King Spode.
I don't race or ride hard anymore, gotten old but still LOVE the poetry of motion.
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I'm a vet rider who has never really been a racer nor dedicated myself to getting faster (until I was already old and slow)

A realization I've only had this year, is that I always looked at corners as places to rest in between jumps. All I ever focused on was getting jumps down.

Finally, after being on tracks with pretty fast guys, realize this is absolutely the wrong attitude.

Attack the corners and rest on the jumps.
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ElliotB16 6/20/2022 7:58am
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Can’t go fast with poor technique, get it down first then going fast will come much easier
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Moto520 6/20/2022 7:59am
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Make sure to ride longer motos if possible. This will get you in shape which will make it easier to go fast for short periods without fear of losing fitness.
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Sr_Vet_Rider 6/20/2022 8:11am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
These guys are the absolute worst. Know way too many of them unfortunately
Well… I guess I’m guilty of this. But then again, I’m done racing and don’t ride tracks as much as I use to. I’ve got LACR and CalCity dialed in, but really like Cajuilla, it’s just too far to drive for a day of riding. I can hold my own with my friends for a couple/few laps, before I’m gasping for air and on the edge of my hands blowing off the bars. My neck and back is pretty jacked up and the nerves in my neck have ruined my hand strength. My riding days are winding down and I’m not happy about it.
I’ve ridden just about every track in So Cal at one time or another, but without experiencing the dirt and layouts of other tracks on the regular, it’s hard to just show up and haul ass there. I’m lucky to get all the jumps down, before I leave. Oh well, I’m just happy to be able to ride my dirt bikes at 56 years old. I’ll take being one of the absolute worst, over not being able to ride at all.
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Sr_Vet_Rider 6/20/2022 8:14am
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ElliotB16 wrote:
Can’t go fast with poor technique, get it down first then going fast will come much easier
This is the best advice, IMO. Along with trying to get your fitness in check.
I wish that I’d learned this when I was younger, it’s a lot harder to correct bad form/ bad habits, than it is to learn them from the get go.
profeshenal125 6/20/2022 8:45am
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Ice riding is great for getting a feel for a bike and cornering. Make turn tracks , figure 8,s , tight circles till your dizzy then ride the other way still dizzy. On dirt just ride a lot 20 min max wo refuel repeat. If you Love your bike you’ll burn a few tanks a day. As a beginner I rode a lot of sand whoops it forces you into a good form. Rode a few tracks 1 had a rider that won 125 c races skipped b and races 125 a. We battled hard in the deep sand. I think it’s the fastest way to get fast.
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piscokid 6/20/2022 10:36am
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garasaki wrote:
I'm a vet rider who has never really been a racer nor dedicated myself to getting faster (until I was already old and slow) A realization...
I'm a vet rider who has never really been a racer nor dedicated myself to getting faster (until I was already old and slow)

A realization I've only had this year, is that I always looked at corners as places to rest in between jumps. All I ever focused on was getting jumps down.

Finally, after being on tracks with pretty fast guys, realize this is absolutely the wrong attitude.

Attack the corners and rest on the jumps.
"jumps for show, corners for dough"
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theraptur712 6/20/2022 11:34am
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Hey. My first race at 15yrs old was in blue jeans and leather "cowboy" boots. I got a close 3rd in the first moto out of 9 riders. Two guys came up to me between motos and made some fun. Asking about how the gate worked and gear and generally being asses.

After I beat both of them with a 2nd in moto two for 2nd overall....I made sure to wave at them as we left the track. They didn't wave back.

After that my parents bought me real pants and boots.
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Dirt.Squirt 6/20/2022 11:56am
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Honestly the dudes in blue jeans get my respect because they just want to freakin ride. Not everyone is lucky enough to be able to afford the goodies.

Proper safety gear though should always be worn no matter what your budget is
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brimx153 6/20/2022 2:30pm
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ElliotB16 wrote:
Can’t go fast with poor technique, get it down first then going fast will come much easier
I kind of disagree with this . I do think it's way better and safer to have great technique . But there is alot of ex pro riders who by modern standard s had terrible technique ,but were really fast . Then I ve seen some very average riders who have great technique do everything right except go fast . For most tho going very fast with poor technique Alway end s up with you hitting the ground more often .
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We were all spodes once.
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Gary Semics for training. Best thing you can do to advance.

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motoGleamer wrote:
I'm not necessarily talking pro level riders but when you're at the track you can clearly tell the better riders from the decent spodes. They decent...
I'm not necessarily talking pro level riders but when you're at the track you can clearly tell the better riders from the decent spodes. They decent spodes are hitting all the jumps and moving around the track well enough but there is something "off". Is it just an issue of fundamentals? Are there certain things that better riders have had "click" that takes the skills to the next level?

Looking to grab some tips on how to progress from decent spode to better spode. Let's say going from C rider to B rider to maybe be more clear.
im taking offence to this post
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plowboy 6/20/2022 5:07pm
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Boomslang wrote:
You want to get faster and fitter? You can't do it on your own. You need Constructive and disciplined practice. Someone needs to identify your flaws...
You want to get faster and fitter?

You can't do it on your own. You need Constructive and disciplined practice. Someone needs to identify your flaws as a rider, to show you the correct way, the bike setup can always be better, diet and correct off bike training. Plenty of ex Pro's out there who are now trainers... .invest in a riding coach. The sooner the better.
This is %100 correct. A coach is the best money spent. They can save you 100's of hours of trying to figure it out on your own.

Thousands of dollars spent on trick suspension, motor mods will make the bike faster but not YOU.

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