JS7 is drinking the RD5 coffee, calling Dungey for the title

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davistld01 6/1/2022 9:07am
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motonation24 wrote:
JS7 analysis on Dungeys technique was spot on! He definitely reduces the risk of crashing from how he rides. Too early to speculate on title, if...
JS7 analysis on Dungeys technique was spot on! He definitely reduces the risk of crashing from how he rides.
Too early to speculate on title, if he’s within a moto of points by round 8 or 9 it will be interesting.
If there were ever two polar opposites in riding style...it would be Dungey and Stew. James just "saw" the track differently than anybody else, so he had no qualms about sending it whenever he needed to.

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yz133rider wrote:
Youre insane in these type of discussions. You find a stat and won’t let go no matter the relevancy.
jorgechavez wrote:
He said RV is second to RC in titles and you posted 450 MX wins. If anything you’re the one posting irrelevant stats.
yz133rider wrote:
Sheeeesh whatever you guys say...I pointed out most think Dungey barely ever won. I said he’s second all time in OUTDOORS wins to only rc. Mxb2...
Sheeeesh whatever you guys say...I pointed out most think Dungey barely ever won. I said he’s second all time in OUTDOORS wins to only rc.


Mxb2 wants to compare titles. I’m talking 450 outdoors because that’s what he’s racing and that’s why we’re talking....

Dungey has 3 450 outdoor titles. And 4 450 sx titles.

Villo has 2 outdoor mx titles and 4 450 sx titles.

That’s 7 compared to 6 in favor of the dunge.

Add the 250s to the list and villo won more titles, but 250s aren’t really the measuring stick are they? But sure hang your hat on the 250 titles...
Ahh my apologies, I thought you were saying overall Dungey is second to RC (SX and MX). In terms of 450 MX results specifically Dungey has RV beat.
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motonation24 wrote:
JS7 analysis on Dungeys technique was spot on! He definitely reduces the risk of crashing from how he rides. Too early to speculate on title, if...
JS7 analysis on Dungeys technique was spot on! He definitely reduces the risk of crashing from how he rides.
Too early to speculate on title, if he’s within a moto of points by round 8 or 9 it will be interesting.
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If there were ever two polar opposites in riding style...it would be Dungey and Stew. James just "saw" the track differently than anybody else, so he...
If there were ever two polar opposites in riding style...it would be Dungey and Stew. James just "saw" the track differently than anybody else, so he had no qualms about sending it whenever he needed to.

Agreed he just sent it so many times without regard for landing it😂
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I saw Sexton almost take Kenny out in the corner before the finish line. Probably would have taken them both down if it had been a tad rougher. If those two crash duking it out...Dunge will be there to reap rewards. I won't say the title is his but I bet he's top 3 by the end.
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yz133rider wrote:
Sheeeesh whatever you guys say...I pointed out most think Dungey barely ever won. I said he’s second all time in OUTDOORS wins to only rc. Mxb2...
Sheeeesh whatever you guys say...I pointed out most think Dungey barely ever won. I said he’s second all time in OUTDOORS wins to only rc.


Mxb2 wants to compare titles. I’m talking 450 outdoors because that’s what he’s racing and that’s why we’re talking....

Dungey has 3 450 outdoor titles. And 4 450 sx titles.

Villo has 2 outdoor mx titles and 4 450 sx titles.

That’s 7 compared to 6 in favor of the dunge.

Add the 250s to the list and villo won more titles, but 250s aren’t really the measuring stick are they? But sure hang your hat on the 250 titles...
So many seem to forget how good he was. I don’t remember the exact (career average finishing position), but if memory serves me correct, Dungey has the lowest with a 3.2.
He also went through his career without many injuries and very little races missed because of injuries.
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He had a good result but I don’t have him as champion just yet. He finished 45-55 seconds off the leaders. Amazing first race no doubt...
He had a good result but I don’t have him as champion just yet. He finished 45-55 seconds off the leaders. Amazing first race no doubt!

Champion? Not yet.

I’m picking Tomac if he stays in it all year. Second pick is Sexton.
To be fair, in 15 tomac smoked Dungey at the first two rounds by 30+ and we all know how that went… but seriously an impressive performance by Dungey to say the least.
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yz133rider wrote:
Sheeeesh whatever you guys say...I pointed out most think Dungey barely ever won. I said he’s second all time in OUTDOORS wins to only rc. Mxb2...
Sheeeesh whatever you guys say...I pointed out most think Dungey barely ever won. I said he’s second all time in OUTDOORS wins to only rc.


Mxb2 wants to compare titles. I’m talking 450 outdoors because that’s what he’s racing and that’s why we’re talking....

Dungey has 3 450 outdoor titles. And 4 450 sx titles.

Villo has 2 outdoor mx titles and 4 450 sx titles.

That’s 7 compared to 6 in favor of the dunge.

Add the 250s to the list and villo won more titles, but 250s aren’t really the measuring stick are they? But sure hang your hat on the 250 titles...
Absolutely 250 national titles count. They're a national title. 250 Supercross are regional and don't count to totals.

RV has more national/sx titles than EVERYONE bar RC, and he beat Dungey to each except the first 250 nat title where Dungey hadn't gone pro yet. Each time they finished, RV finished in front.

Pointing to RD's titles/wins as a reason to put him ahead of RV is like pointing to Chad/James' 450 career – 3 450 titles and similar wins – but you wouldn't equivocate their career. James beat Chad, no one is going to say James wasn't better.
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yz133rider wrote:
Sheeeesh whatever you guys say...I pointed out most think Dungey barely ever won. I said he’s second all time in OUTDOORS wins to only rc. Mxb2...
Sheeeesh whatever you guys say...I pointed out most think Dungey barely ever won. I said he’s second all time in OUTDOORS wins to only rc.


Mxb2 wants to compare titles. I’m talking 450 outdoors because that’s what he’s racing and that’s why we’re talking....

Dungey has 3 450 outdoor titles. And 4 450 sx titles.

Villo has 2 outdoor mx titles and 4 450 sx titles.

That’s 7 compared to 6 in favor of the dunge.

Add the 250s to the list and villo won more titles, but 250s aren’t really the measuring stick are they? But sure hang your hat on the 250 titles...
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Absolutely 250 national titles count. They're a national title. 250 Supercross are regional and don't count to totals. RV has more national/sx titles than EVERYONE bar...
Absolutely 250 national titles count. They're a national title. 250 Supercross are regional and don't count to totals.

RV has more national/sx titles than EVERYONE bar RC, and he beat Dungey to each except the first 250 nat title where Dungey hadn't gone pro yet. Each time they finished, RV finished in front.

Pointing to RD's titles/wins as a reason to put him ahead of RV is like pointing to Chad/James' 450 career – 3 450 titles and similar wins – but you wouldn't equivocate their career. James beat Chad, no one is going to say James wasn't better.
Interesting. So if Dungey stayed in the 250 class longer, and beat up on 250 riders racking up 250 titles instead of moving up to the 450 class and earning more 450 titles than rv, that would be better?

Very interesting.
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yz133rider wrote:
Interesting. So if Dungey stayed in the 250 class longer, and beat up on 250 riders racking up 250 titles instead of moving up to the...
Interesting. So if Dungey stayed in the 250 class longer, and beat up on 250 riders racking up 250 titles instead of moving up to the 450 class and earning more 450 titles than rv, that would be better?

Very interesting.
They both did three full 250 years.
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yz133rider 6/1/2022 6:57pm
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They both did three full 250 years.
Not the point. Rd won more 450 titles and a disgustingly large amount of 450 outdoor overalls. And you guys want to hang your hat on the 250 titles rv has. Just interesting that’s all.
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yz133rider wrote:
Not the point. Rd won more 450 titles and a disgustingly large amount of 450 outdoor overalls. And you guys want to hang your hat on...
Not the point. Rd won more 450 titles and a disgustingly large amount of 450 outdoor overalls. And you guys want to hang your hat on the 250 titles rv has. Just interesting that’s all.
It's definitely the point to your previous post.

And inversely you're arguing the titles Dungey won when RV wasn't there somehow matter more – but their Vs record strongly suggests RV would come out on top. RV has more titles, and Dungey never beat RV to a title they finished.

It's really that simple and i'd bet Dungey would tell you RV was always a bit better. In fact i'm almost certain he has already on Pulp.



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yz133rider wrote:
Not the point. Rd won more 450 titles and a disgustingly large amount of 450 outdoor overalls. And you guys want to hang your hat on...
Not the point. Rd won more 450 titles and a disgustingly large amount of 450 outdoor overalls. And you guys want to hang your hat on the 250 titles rv has. Just interesting that’s all.
When you are comparing two riders, from the same generation, HEAD TO HEAD should be weighted heavier. If I recall correctly, Dungey never beat Villo in a championship they both finished.
Yes I know getting hurt is part of the game, and the risk was there for Dungey too.
I think head to head on any given day, most would put their money on Villo. In my opinion that makes what Dungey did at Pala even MORE impressive.

With this current group of title contenders, a dude who can get top fives, and better, EVERY SINGLE MOTO, has a legitimate shot at the title. That is the definition of Dungey.
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Well ferrandis is out so I don’t give a god damn who wins it. Would love to see dungey win the whole thing but I think...
Well ferrandis is out so I don’t give a god damn who wins it. Would love to see dungey win the whole thing but I think tomac might have something to say about that as long as he doesn’t get all weird again or screw up his knee worse

Sexton could be a favorite if he hasn’t Sextoned by the second half of the series also
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Man I like Sexton, but the fact you can just say "Sextoned" and we all know what you mean is a baaaaaaad sign.
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As Daniel Blair asked him. But did you flip. 😂
Bailey used to crash a LOT...until he didn't. So there is hope for Chase to figure it out.
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Bailey used to crash a LOT...until he didn't. So there is hope for Chase to figure it out.
If Chase figures that out, like REALLY figures it out, he will be a force in the sport.

I'm not really a fan boy of him or Roczen, but think about this....when Kenny has been ON outdoors, nobody has been able to touch him.

Take Chase out of the equation on Saturday and it's another classic Roczen first round DOMINATION and nobody is surprised. Chase beat THAT Roczen. Straight up. And demolished everyone else.
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Nathaniel129 6/1/2022 11:09pm
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If you remove Dungey from Villopotos career, Villo still has the same number of titles.
If you remove Villopoto from Dungeys career, he has how many more titles?
That's the ultimate "what if" right?
They are both legends. They both had incredible careers and stacked titles. Head to head Villopoto won every time. That's all I'm saying. It IS debatable who had the "better career."
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nealb129 6/2/2022 7:21am
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Who was it that won an outdoor championship without winning an overall? Langston?
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nealb129 wrote:
Who was it that won an outdoor championship without winning an overall? Langston?
Not sure anyone has done that...Langston won at least the last 3 of 2007.

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You don't need an overall to win the title... he just needs the others to implode... which is likely. I don't see him having the speed...
You don't need an overall to win the title... he just needs the others to implode... which is likely.

I don't see him having the speed to get a win; he was never the fastest rider. And now it's 6 years later.

Very impressive, though. Gotta admit that.
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People act like he rarely won races. He’s second all time in overalls...behind only rc...He’s literally the best to have ever done it besides the goat...
People act like he rarely won races. He’s second all time in overalls...behind only rc...He’s literally the best to have ever done it besides the goat. Titles and wins don’t lie.
A living, racing legend. Who else can you say that about?
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nealb129 wrote:
Who was it that won an outdoor championship without winning an overall? Langston?
Yes, 2003 125 National champion without an overall win.
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Dungey and RV raced 450s together from 2010-2014. In that time, Dungey won 3 championships and RV won 6. Why people think this is subjective or even up for debate is mind boggling.
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USA wrote:
Dungey and RV raced 450s together from 2010-2014. In that time, Dungey won 3 championships and RV won 6. Why people think this is subjective or...
Dungey and RV raced 450s together from 2010-2014. In that time, Dungey won 3 championships and RV won 6. Why people think this is subjective or even up for debate is mind boggling.
If it wasn't for Rv's crash in St louis in 2010 and his crash in Seattle in 2012 he may have very well won those 3 championships instead of Dungey.
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USA wrote:
Dungey and RV raced 450s together from 2010-2014. In that time, Dungey won 3 championships and RV won 6. Why people think this is subjective or...
Dungey and RV raced 450s together from 2010-2014. In that time, Dungey won 3 championships and RV won 6. Why people think this is subjective or even up for debate is mind boggling.
Because in this world you can't like one rider without hating his rival, didn't you know that?
You can't simply say they are both legends but when they raced head to head (and finished) RV always took the title.
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Nathaniel129 6/2/2022 9:01am
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If it wasn't for Rv's crash in St louis in 2010 and his crash in Seattle in 2012 he may have very well won those 3...
If it wasn't for Rv's crash in St louis in 2010 and his crash in Seattle in 2012 he may have very well won those 3 championships instead of Dungey.
Even though Sloan thinks I'm a Dungey hater, I have to call BS on that one. You can't "what if" man. It's never ending.
That's why the "better career" thing is subjective. The head to head evaluation isn't.
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If it wasn't for Rv's crash in St louis in 2010 and his crash in Seattle in 2012 he may have very well won those 3...
If it wasn't for Rv's crash in St louis in 2010 and his crash in Seattle in 2012 he may have very well won those 3 championships instead of Dungey.
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Even though Sloan thinks I'm a Dungey hater, I have to call BS on that one. You can't "what if" man. It's never ending. That's why...
Even though Sloan thinks I'm a Dungey hater, I have to call BS on that one. You can't "what if" man. It's never ending.
That's why the "better career" thing is subjective. The head to head evaluation isn't.
Sure you can. Why can't I say if RV didn't have those 2 crashes he possibly could've won 3 more titles? It's just bench racing. You don't think those thoughts have ever crossed RV's mind?


2010 He was very much in the Championship hunt with Dungey. St louis crash took him out of remainder of SX and MX.

2012 crash in seattle took him out of the Motocross series that he was looking to defend his title.

You can't tell me we can't think about what if he wouldn't have crashed? It could have possibly been some of the most domination we have ever seen had it not been for those 2 crashes.
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Dungey and RV raced 450s together from 2010-2014. In that time, Dungey won 3 championships and RV won 6. Why people think this is subjective or...
Dungey and RV raced 450s together from 2010-2014. In that time, Dungey won 3 championships and RV won 6. Why people think this is subjective or even up for debate is mind boggling.
Yeah it’s weird, very rarely can we compare two all time greats who raced each other for years in their primes, in this case we can and people still refuse to look at the results. It’s not a knock on Dungey but the reality is when they raced Villopoto usually had his number.
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Nathaniel129 6/2/2022 9:12am
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Sure you can. Why can't I say if RV didn't have those 2 crashes he possibly could've won 3 more titles? It's just bench racing. You...
Sure you can. Why can't I say if RV didn't have those 2 crashes he possibly could've won 3 more titles? It's just bench racing. You don't think those thoughts have ever crossed RV's mind?


2010 He was very much in the Championship hunt with Dungey. St louis crash took him out of remainder of SX and MX.

2012 crash in seattle took him out of the Motocross series that he was looking to defend his title.

You can't tell me we can't think about what if he wouldn't have crashed? It could have possibly been some of the most domination we have ever seen had it not been for those 2 crashes.
Dude, I agree with you, it's just thin ice in here talking about what if's!
I think they are both legends, but head to head I'll take RV every time.
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Vital when comparing two legends....

Those same two legends when they see each other...

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It would be hard for me to pick a favorite between the two. RV had that amazing raw speed and I've always loved guys that steered with the rear wheel. Dunge just finds fast lines and never backs off or down. Rock solid. RD looked so good at Pala...damn. And then I remember the insanely good riding by the guys ahead of him. Can't wait for this weekend.
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Because in this world you can't like one rider without hating his rival, didn't you know that? You can't simply say they are both legends but...
Because in this world you can't like one rider without hating his rival, didn't you know that?
You can't simply say they are both legends but when they raced head to head (and finished) RV always took the title.
It took Dungey running out of gas at Freestone and Southwick bike problems as well for RV to win the 2011 title. Let's not forget the chain problem in SX. All RV's issues were self inflicted. I like how you people leave that out as if they both finished the season straight up.

Suzuki basically folded up their whole program and were reusing parts that year. RV had the comfort of riding the same team/bike his whole 450 career. And Kawi were always pumping money and progressing the bike. Dungey went on to an unproven team and bike.

And as for Aldon being his trainer for RV's whole 450 career it was convenient timing for RV to retire before all the PED testing started to be implemented.
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