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5/30/2022 11:30pm
7I3N wrote:
The Man isn't ruthless. He's just open and honest. Some of y'all are a little too used to being kissed with a lie instead of slapped...
The Man isn't ruthless. He's just open and honest. Some of y'all are a little too used to being kissed with a lie instead of slapped with the truth.
I’m pretty sure you just described ruthless. You know like brutally honest? I have no problem with what he said. Vital can twist anything.
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5/31/2022 2:16am
I took what he said as a humorous ‘Cairoli needs to do better’.
The man was having a fun dig at a fellow legend.

This is what you do with your mates. Do people really not get that humour?
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5/31/2022 4:04am
I think everyone can agree Roger deserves mad respect for all of his past accomplishments, absolutely one of the greatest of all time. Nobody can question his work ethic or body or work. But with his poor decisions on the MX des Nations teams, and current problems with the KTM/Husky?/GasGas tribe perhaps his time has come and gone, nothing wrong with that. We all have expiration dates to our professional careers, and what worked with athletes in 1985 perhaps won't work so swell in 2022. In pro motocross he gives me the impression of the 50yr old recent divorcee in the singles bar.
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5/31/2022 4:16am
Spoonguy wrote:
I think everyone can agree Roger deserves mad respect for all of his past accomplishments, absolutely one of the greatest of all time. Nobody can question...
I think everyone can agree Roger deserves mad respect for all of his past accomplishments, absolutely one of the greatest of all time. Nobody can question his work ethic or body or work. But with his poor decisions on the MX des Nations teams, and current problems with the KTM/Husky?/GasGas tribe perhaps his time has come and gone, nothing wrong with that. We all have expiration dates to our professional careers, and what worked with athletes in 1985 perhaps won't work so swell in 2022. In pro motocross he gives me the impression of the 50yr old recent divorcee in the singles bar.
You’re kind of a bummer. All your post remind me of an old punk band, Negative Approach.
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5/31/2022 5:15am
Spoonguy wrote:
I think everyone can agree Roger deserves mad respect for all of his past accomplishments, absolutely one of the greatest of all time. Nobody can question...
I think everyone can agree Roger deserves mad respect for all of his past accomplishments, absolutely one of the greatest of all time. Nobody can question his work ethic or body or work. But with his poor decisions on the MX des Nations teams, and current problems with the KTM/Husky?/GasGas tribe perhaps his time has come and gone, nothing wrong with that. We all have expiration dates to our professional careers, and what worked with athletes in 1985 perhaps won't work so swell in 2022. In pro motocross he gives me the impression of the 50yr old recent divorcee in the singles bar.
Dirtydeeds wrote:
You’re kind of a bummer. All your post remind me of an old punk band, Negative Approach.
Did he say something outlandish? He gave his take on a situation that might not be far off. Where's all the new talent KTM is developing? Their 250 effort is a shit show and Webb is a hired gun
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Wowza, some people on here sure fail to recognize the depth of DeCoster's career both as a racer and as a team manager. The dude raced from 1966 to 1980 on the GP circuit, and in his final race for his career on a Honda, at 36 years old, had the ultimate mic drop when he swept both motos at the Luxembourg GP. He had already established himself in the US as he was one of the most consistent participants in the Trans-AMA series and brought a great deal of mx knowledge from Europe to NA. He grew up working on his own bikes, discovering what works and what didn't-how to preserve a bike for a 45 minute moto, all the while learning and banking knowledge. I need not list the rest of his successes, but how many team managers tinker with lathes and any other equipment that might make a bike work better? He went to KTM and put the 450 program on the fast track knowing it was required for success in NA-the 350 wasn't going to cut it, especially in SX. Before long, Dungey won the first 450SX for KTM (1st year?), and it should be noted the leap of faith Dungey took that to go to KTM (with people shitting all over him)-this goes largely forgotten. To insinuate in any way that DeCoster doesn't live up to the hype or is past his prime is laughable. Yes, he hired and worked with really good people, and also mentored them to be great. Isn't that what any smart leader would do? He doesn't suffer fools gladly-how can you in this sport? As Bill Belichick says, "Do you your job." If there is anyone else with his depth of success in every area of our sport, please list them here. He didn't ride on anyone's coattails.
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5/31/2022 10:31am
Bruce372 wrote:
Yep, America became #1 by hiring immigrants! Laughing Tongue Cool
Very true. Starting with Oppenheimer and Einstein if we didn’t let them in we’d all be speaking German
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5/31/2022 11:20am Edited Date/Time 5/31/2022 12:18pm
7I3N wrote:
The Man isn't ruthless. He's just open and honest. Some of y'all are a little too used to being kissed with a lie instead of slapped...
The Man isn't ruthless. He's just open and honest. Some of y'all are a little too used to being kissed with a lie instead of slapped with the truth.
I’m pretty sure you just described ruthless. You know like brutally honest? I have no problem with what he said. Vital can twist anything.
The definition of the word "ruthless" is "without pity or compassion; cruel; merciless."

Your wife is wearing something that doesn't flatter her and she asks you how she looks. Brutal honesty is telling her that what she's wearing doesn't look good on her. Ruthless is telling her she looks like shit. The difference is subtle but important. Wink
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5/31/2022 11:23am
Talon wrote:
I know he’s a legend but after hearing little things here and there from riders on podcasts etc.. he seems like a douche for a boss.
As a Detroit Red Wing fan I remember players talking about how much of a taskmaster Scotty Bowman was as a coach. The player said "We hated him 364 days a year, the other day we picked up the Stanley Cup."

Snowflake generation just doesn't understand someone pushing them to be better than they thought they could be. If you have never had someone in your life that you hated but also strove to get his approval I feel sorry for you. If you think that guy is douchey I feel worse for you and our future.
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5/31/2022 11:28am
I think he said Dungey did great. Seemed like as if he was talking about 222 needed to do better. Maybe 'do better if you want more races from me'?

But surely he meant AP needs to do much better.
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5/31/2022 4:03pm
Did everyone forget about Kailub Russell ? Deal with KTM to do the 250 MX series, doesn't run up front and gets clipped ? I think Roger was being honest, they need to battle for podiums, or clippy clippy.
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5/31/2022 4:27pm
We've likely already seen his worst race. I'd bet he finishes every moto, all in the top 3 or 4. I'd also bet he get an overall or two, and that although someone else may put big time on him in a few motos, but in the end, Dungey will have Dungeyed himself into an unprecedented come-back title.
5/31/2022 4:46pm
Man, must be me, but I took "but we need to do better" as the Team as well as the riders - I think RD is equally tough on the team not just the riders.
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5/31/2022 6:22pm
How about that trackside interview? “We need to do better”. The man is ruthless.
Don't ask Roger a question you donnt want an honest answer to.
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5/31/2022 6:26pm
I thought it was awesome.... and funny as hell. Classic DeCoster.
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5/31/2022 7:43pm
Getting a 5th and a 7th out of a six year retired Dungey and a retired MXGP legend vacationing in the US might be DeCoster’s best work, yet. Either the Nationals are talent depleted or Roger DeCoster is a motocross magician. Or both.
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5/31/2022 9:13pm Edited Date/Time 5/31/2022 9:15pm
How about that trackside interview? “We need to do better”. The man is ruthless.
GuyB wrote:
Don't ask Roger a question you donnt want an honest answer to.
I find it to be a genuine pleasure when you post something, GuyB. It's almost like you're an actual person with thoughts and opinions and interesting information to offer. Now that someone else has to herd the cats out here on the unruly prairie town that is VitalMX, I can only imagine the relief you feel must at having turned in your badge.

Long may you run.
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5/31/2022 10:01pm
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I find it to be a genuine pleasure when you post something, GuyB. It's almost like you're an actual person with thoughts and opinions and interesting...
I find it to be a genuine pleasure when you post something, GuyB. It's almost like you're an actual person with thoughts and opinions and interesting information to offer. Now that someone else has to herd the cats out here on the unruly prairie town that is VitalMX, I can only imagine the relief you feel must at having turned in your badge.

Long may you run.
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5/31/2022 10:14pm Edited Date/Time 5/31/2022 10:18pm
Talon wrote:
I know he’s a legend but after hearing little things here and there from riders on podcasts etc.. he seems like a douche for a boss.
McG194 wrote:
As a Detroit Red Wing fan I remember players talking about how much of a taskmaster Scotty Bowman was as a coach. The player said "We...
As a Detroit Red Wing fan I remember players talking about how much of a taskmaster Scotty Bowman was as a coach. The player said "We hated him 364 days a year, the other day we picked up the Stanley Cup."

Snowflake generation just doesn't understand someone pushing them to be better than they thought they could be. If you have never had someone in your life that you hated but also strove to get his approval I feel sorry for you. If you think that guy is douchey I feel worse for you and our future.
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had or what teams I’ve led. I’m merely stating .. when it’s comes to his legend status. Saying 2 already legends need to do better… seems like a douchy thing to say on TV for an audience. You wanna go back to your truck and say that behind closed doors... cool. Rd and AC deserve that respect and have earned that respect.

IMO it’s the same as managers don’t bitch to employees about other managers. They do it behind closed doors. For my ex and current military. Ncos and senior ncos stick together even if they are wrong and never let a junior ranking know about any rift amongst you.

To put it simply. I think Roger should have kept that between him and his two legends.
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I've seen video of DeCoster machining a part on a mill to make a small change on a bike for testing. That alone tells me he has knowledge well beyond his "management" position. The guy is incredibly intelligent and brings so much knowledge to a team. He has probably forgot more than most on here will ever learn about mx.

The best boss I ever had was a gentleman the company I work for hired back out of retirement. He was 72 years old. A younger boss of mine who was leaving joked that he was forgetful, too old, etc.
He "trained" with my younger boss for about 2 weeks before taking over a shift of around 40 of us. Once he was in charge, he immediately talked with me about so many things outside of work. Got to know him personally on a deeper level very quickly. Despite how busy having 40 people to supervise, I later found out he would talk with me the same as he would do with everyone here. The guy knew us all personally, genuinely cared about us and his age and knowledge were his biggest benefactors. He went back into retirement when a new manager came on board and they butted heads apparently. However, I've worked a long time and the 2 1/2 years I worked with "Jack" were the best years of a "boss" I've ever had.
I've often talked with others about him and this is what he told me one day. "You guys don't work for me, I work for you" ......................miss you Jack!!

I feel DeCoster may have that same relationship with some under him, if we really knew him on the same level
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Spoonguy wrote:
I think everyone can agree Roger deserves mad respect for all of his past accomplishments, absolutely one of the greatest of all time. Nobody can question...
I think everyone can agree Roger deserves mad respect for all of his past accomplishments, absolutely one of the greatest of all time. Nobody can question his work ethic or body or work. But with his poor decisions on the MX des Nations teams, and current problems with the KTM/Husky?/GasGas tribe perhaps his time has come and gone, nothing wrong with that. We all have expiration dates to our professional careers, and what worked with athletes in 1985 perhaps won't work so swell in 2022. In pro motocross he gives me the impression of the 50yr old recent divorcee in the singles bar.
Dirtydeeds wrote:
You’re kind of a bummer. All your post remind me of an old punk band, Negative Approach.
I am flattered that you read all my posts, but it kind of makes me feel like living next to Gladys Kravitz. I will work on being more upbeat in the future. Although my opinion of the Man hasn't changed.
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6/1/2022 5:42am Edited Date/Time 6/1/2022 5:42am
Talon wrote:
I know he’s a legend but after hearing little things here and there from riders on podcasts etc.. he seems like a douche for a boss.
McG194 wrote:
As a Detroit Red Wing fan I remember players talking about how much of a taskmaster Scotty Bowman was as a coach. The player said "We...
As a Detroit Red Wing fan I remember players talking about how much of a taskmaster Scotty Bowman was as a coach. The player said "We hated him 364 days a year, the other day we picked up the Stanley Cup."

Snowflake generation just doesn't understand someone pushing them to be better than they thought they could be. If you have never had someone in your life that you hated but also strove to get his approval I feel sorry for you. If you think that guy is douchey I feel worse for you and our future.
Talon wrote:
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had...
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had or what teams I’ve led. I’m merely stating .. when it’s comes to his legend status. Saying 2 already legends need to do better… seems like a douchy thing to say on TV for an audience. You wanna go back to your truck and say that behind closed doors... cool. Rd and AC deserve that respect and have earned that respect.

IMO it’s the same as managers don’t bitch to employees about other managers. They do it behind closed doors. For my ex and current military. Ncos and senior ncos stick together even if they are wrong and never let a junior ranking know about any rift amongst you.

To put it simply. I think Roger should have kept that between him and his two legends.
I think you read way too much into what DeCoster said.....
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McG194 wrote:
As a Detroit Red Wing fan I remember players talking about how much of a taskmaster Scotty Bowman was as a coach. The player said "We...
As a Detroit Red Wing fan I remember players talking about how much of a taskmaster Scotty Bowman was as a coach. The player said "We hated him 364 days a year, the other day we picked up the Stanley Cup."

Snowflake generation just doesn't understand someone pushing them to be better than they thought they could be. If you have never had someone in your life that you hated but also strove to get his approval I feel sorry for you. If you think that guy is douchey I feel worse for you and our future.
Talon wrote:
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had...
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had or what teams I’ve led. I’m merely stating .. when it’s comes to his legend status. Saying 2 already legends need to do better… seems like a douchy thing to say on TV for an audience. You wanna go back to your truck and say that behind closed doors... cool. Rd and AC deserve that respect and have earned that respect.

IMO it’s the same as managers don’t bitch to employees about other managers. They do it behind closed doors. For my ex and current military. Ncos and senior ncos stick together even if they are wrong and never let a junior ranking know about any rift amongst you.

To put it simply. I think Roger should have kept that between him and his two legends.
DonM wrote:
I think you read way too much into what DeCoster said.....
He said what he said and it sounded douchy.
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RD is a living legend! Honda is celebrating 50 years and RD has been at it longer than that and still going! When he made the comment " we need to do better" he did chuckle after saying it but regardless the goal is always the same!
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Talon wrote:
I know he’s a legend but after hearing little things here and there from riders on podcasts etc.. he seems like a douche for a boss.
McG194 wrote:
As a Detroit Red Wing fan I remember players talking about how much of a taskmaster Scotty Bowman was as a coach. The player said "We...
As a Detroit Red Wing fan I remember players talking about how much of a taskmaster Scotty Bowman was as a coach. The player said "We hated him 364 days a year, the other day we picked up the Stanley Cup."

Snowflake generation just doesn't understand someone pushing them to be better than they thought they could be. If you have never had someone in your life that you hated but also strove to get his approval I feel sorry for you. If you think that guy is douchey I feel worse for you and our future.
Talon wrote:
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had...
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had or what teams I’ve led. I’m merely stating .. when it’s comes to his legend status. Saying 2 already legends need to do better… seems like a douchy thing to say on TV for an audience. You wanna go back to your truck and say that behind closed doors... cool. Rd and AC deserve that respect and have earned that respect.

IMO it’s the same as managers don’t bitch to employees about other managers. They do it behind closed doors. For my ex and current military. Ncos and senior ncos stick together even if they are wrong and never let a junior ranking know about any rift amongst you.

To put it simply. I think Roger should have kept that between him and his two legends.
The biggest problem in your argument is you are putting them all on the same level. They may all be legends, but they are not peers. Roger is the boss plain and simple.

Typical Vital Poster: These interviews are stupid and boring, they never give any information.

Also Typical Vital Poster: He should talk behind closed doors, the general public doesn't need that information.
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6/1/2022 8:29am Edited Date/Time 6/1/2022 9:10am
McG194 wrote:
As a Detroit Red Wing fan I remember players talking about how much of a taskmaster Scotty Bowman was as a coach. The player said "We...
As a Detroit Red Wing fan I remember players talking about how much of a taskmaster Scotty Bowman was as a coach. The player said "We hated him 364 days a year, the other day we picked up the Stanley Cup."

Snowflake generation just doesn't understand someone pushing them to be better than they thought they could be. If you have never had someone in your life that you hated but also strove to get his approval I feel sorry for you. If you think that guy is douchey I feel worse for you and our future.
Talon wrote:
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had...
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had or what teams I’ve led. I’m merely stating .. when it’s comes to his legend status. Saying 2 already legends need to do better… seems like a douchy thing to say on TV for an audience. You wanna go back to your truck and say that behind closed doors... cool. Rd and AC deserve that respect and have earned that respect.

IMO it’s the same as managers don’t bitch to employees about other managers. They do it behind closed doors. For my ex and current military. Ncos and senior ncos stick together even if they are wrong and never let a junior ranking know about any rift amongst you.

To put it simply. I think Roger should have kept that between him and his two legends.
McG194 wrote:
The biggest problem in your argument is you are putting them all on the same level. They may all be legends, but they are not peers...
The biggest problem in your argument is you are putting them all on the same level. They may all be legends, but they are not peers. Roger is the boss plain and simple.

Typical Vital Poster: These interviews are stupid and boring, they never give any information.

Also Typical Vital Poster: He should talk behind closed doors, the general public doesn't need that information.
Typical vital poster. Assuming I’ve ever posted anything about interviews. I hardly even watch interviews.

Sorry. I refuse to bend the knee because the guy has a good resume. People can still be assholes and say things they shouldn’t. If you all want to gravel at his legacy that’s fine. I’m not expecting to change anyones mind just as I won’t change mine.
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Talon wrote:
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had...
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had or what teams I’ve led. I’m merely stating .. when it’s comes to his legend status. Saying 2 already legends need to do better… seems like a douchy thing to say on TV for an audience. You wanna go back to your truck and say that behind closed doors... cool. Rd and AC deserve that respect and have earned that respect.

IMO it’s the same as managers don’t bitch to employees about other managers. They do it behind closed doors. For my ex and current military. Ncos and senior ncos stick together even if they are wrong and never let a junior ranking know about any rift amongst you.

To put it simply. I think Roger should have kept that between him and his two legends.
I won't disagree with most of what you said but the major difference is that military/corporate leadership don't have a mic/camera shoved in their face wanting an analysis of the teams performance. As Gibby says, "Don't ask Roger a question if you don't want the truth".

I don't think Roger has any expectations that the riders themselves don't have. They are winners and if they don't win..."we need to do better".Cool
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Talon wrote:
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had...
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had or what teams I’ve led. I’m merely stating .. when it’s comes to his legend status. Saying 2 already legends need to do better… seems like a douchy thing to say on TV for an audience. You wanna go back to your truck and say that behind closed doors... cool. Rd and AC deserve that respect and have earned that respect.

IMO it’s the same as managers don’t bitch to employees about other managers. They do it behind closed doors. For my ex and current military. Ncos and senior ncos stick together even if they are wrong and never let a junior ranking know about any rift amongst you.

To put it simply. I think Roger should have kept that between him and his two legends.
McG194 wrote:
The biggest problem in your argument is you are putting them all on the same level. They may all be legends, but they are not peers...
The biggest problem in your argument is you are putting them all on the same level. They may all be legends, but they are not peers. Roger is the boss plain and simple.

Typical Vital Poster: These interviews are stupid and boring, they never give any information.

Also Typical Vital Poster: He should talk behind closed doors, the general public doesn't need that information.
Talon wrote:
Typical vital poster. Assuming I’ve ever posted anything about interviews. I hardly even watch interviews. Sorry. I refuse to bend the knee because the guy has...
Typical vital poster. Assuming I’ve ever posted anything about interviews. I hardly even watch interviews.

Sorry. I refuse to bend the knee because the guy has a good resume. People can still be assholes and say things they shouldn’t. If you all want to gravel at his legacy that’s fine. I’m not expecting to change anyones mind just as I won’t change mine.
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Talon wrote:
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had...
How about you leave my character out of it there bud. You don’t know me, how old I am. if I’ve served. What Leaders I’ve had or what teams I’ve led. I’m merely stating .. when it’s comes to his legend status. Saying 2 already legends need to do better… seems like a douchy thing to say on TV for an audience. You wanna go back to your truck and say that behind closed doors... cool. Rd and AC deserve that respect and have earned that respect.

IMO it’s the same as managers don’t bitch to employees about other managers. They do it behind closed doors. For my ex and current military. Ncos and senior ncos stick together even if they are wrong and never let a junior ranking know about any rift amongst you.

To put it simply. I think Roger should have kept that between him and his two legends.
DonM wrote:
I think you read way too much into what DeCoster said.....
Talon wrote:
He said what he said and it sounded douchy.
I took it as he was saying the team needs to be better so these guys can do better...to me it wasn't a dig on anybody but just a general statement from a team that wants to be competitive...nothing douchey about that...but I'm beginning to sense that you don't like RD and that is what's behind your comments....
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6/1/2022 12:32pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2022 12:41pm
DonM wrote:
I think you read way too much into what DeCoster said.....
Talon wrote:
He said what he said and it sounded douchy.
DonM wrote:
I took it as he was saying the team needs to be better so these guys can do better...to me it wasn't a dig on anybody...
I took it as he was saying the team needs to be better so these guys can do better...to me it wasn't a dig on anybody but just a general statement from a team that wants to be competitive...nothing douchey about that...but I'm beginning to sense that you don't like RD and that is what's behind your comments....
Not so much that I don’t like him. I just don’t bow down over achievements. I am of the mindset that what you’ve done in the past doesn’t give you a free pass in the future. Yes I get the irony in that when talking Dungey, Cairoli. We’ve all been a round politics and we all know how to conduct ourselves around an audience, at least I think most of us have. I just don’t see why the guy (man) can’t join the hype train of the broadcast. Everyone was in amazement on what Dungey was doing. Then you interview his boss and he’s a total dick and kind of a mood killer about it. Like bro stfu and go gripe at the truck if you’re unhappy. Can’t just give some props and leave it at that? Like being with that girl that can’t say something nice without also being mean. You have the biggest dick out of all your friends type thing lol. Whatever. I’m in the minority here I get it.
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