No way Dungey doesnt win a few

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Johnny Ringo 5/10/2022 6:25am
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8tensolutions wrote:
I don't think anyone has been successful with a return to racing after years off. Bradshaw, McGrath, Kiedrowski all come to mind. With that said, I...
I don't think anyone has been successful with a return to racing after years off. Bradshaw, McGrath, Kiedrowski all come to mind. With that said, I hope he changes that and is at the front. It would be a great story and awesome to watch another guy battling for wins.
blockhead17 wrote:
To be fair MC got a 4th to RC CR & JS.. that’s like the “best of the rest”
And MC had only been retired two years..not 5
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dinger212 5/10/2022 6:41am
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Sport progresses as time goes on. Being realistic, I put him top 4-8. The 222 on the other hand called it quits last year…I could see him winning a moto here & there..but that scenario depends on his expectations
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deanwhite51 wrote:
Like when RV come back to win the 2018 Monster Cup ..? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/05/09/549092/s1200_2018_Monster_Energy_Supercross_Results_and_Coverage_Ryan_Villopoto.jpg[/img]
Like when RV come back to win the 2018 Monster Cup ..?





If you listen to the interviews Ryan did before the race he legit thought he was going to podium. I think that was a big slice of humble pie and he hasn't wanted a taste since.
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GoggleFiend904 5/10/2022 6:58am
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I’m optimistic for dungey. A lot of the top guys have bad races. It will only take a couple of those to make it interesting if dungey can stay in the top 3-4 consistently
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davistld01 5/10/2022 7:02am
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I think Dungey is realistic in his expectations. He knows how fast the top-5...heck, even the top-10 guys all are! I don't believe for a second that he's coming back after 5-years thinking he'll "win a few". I'm a fan...and I doubt he'll win even one. I do see him getting a podium at some point, if he chooses to race more than the first couple of events...but not a win. I just think it's great to see Dungey out there mixing it up...Cairoli too. I guess retirement fits some guys better than others!
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Motodragon 5/10/2022 7:05am
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Sorry to say Dungey going come to realize he should of stayed retired. Everyone step up there game and it’s hard for someone that has been retired for so long to be competitive. Especially if there not in race shape.
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walent215 5/10/2022 7:23am
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For a guy that has nothing to prove or really gain , to make the decision to come back after 5 years speaks volumes to me . Dungey doesnt seem like the guy to line up and cruise around . Im not saying hes going to come away with the cship but something tells me he feels like he can be competitive and fight for a win.....If that is his thinking i would guess one of two things happens, he actually will fight for wins or doesnt .....lol
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deanwhite51 wrote:
I can see him within the top 15. occasional top 10.. When you have - Tomac - DF14 - El Hombre - Sexton - Roczen -...
I can see him within the top 15. occasional top 10..

When you have
- Tomac
- DF14
- El Hombre
- Sexton
- Roczen
- AP7
- Mookie
- Barcia
- Wilson

And than AC222 coming over who is a race win contender and top 5 rider in the world..

Plus any of the 250 riders who are wanting to move up.

RD is an animal.. But He hasnt had a gate drop in a long time and a lot of riders who Dungey would Wax in his prime have progressed
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
He has Wilson covered. But the others not so much.
If he comes back at just a tick off his old speed......by the seasons end , I see him beating over 1/2 the guys on that list. Eli , Dylan and Jason are the three as the biggest hurdle. Just my opinion.
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LungButter 5/10/2022 8:38am
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Does he have access to the same training "resources" he was using before?
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bichwolf 5/10/2022 8:42am
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He is contracted to fix the KTM problem, and give them an outdoor championship. His hair, is perfect..I'd like to meet his tailor
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tprice07 5/10/2022 8:44am
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Who is Dungey's biggest threat?

This isn't a burned out Ryan. It isn't a Ryan who sat on the couch drinking beers for the past 5 years. This is someone who has likely continued a daily workout schedule. Who has been on the bike. Who has been vigorously testing a new bike that like retained characteristics that he helped to develop. A healthy field would be stacked but that's not the case.

Here's his competition:

1. Dylan: recovering from a wrist injury
2. Tomac: torn meniscus + SX championship fatigue
3. Roczen: who knows where his health will be at this summer
4. Webb: out
5. Sexton: struggling to keep it off the ground but has the speed
6. Craig: is he racing 450s this summer?
7. Musquin: out
8. Savatgy: new bike, new team.
9. Barcia: fast but was the 9th place guy last year
10. AP: recovering from injury, ended out last year with 43, 41, 13, not exactly a ball of fire in terms of speed.

I don't believe for a second that these guys today are going that much faster than 5 years ago. 450s and EFI were the last technological revolutions and they are overkill for a majority of the riders.

I think it's fair to assume Tomac, Roczen, Sexton, and Barcia can win some races. Toss in Tony as a wildcard for a few races but he's also on a much different bike than what he's used to. Another wildcard is Jason Anderson. The guy has something to prove but he hasn't shown speed outdoors compared to SX.

In any case, I can't wait to see it. I hope it goes well. Both Dungey and Villo were shorted on their careers in my opinion. They are awesome guys for the sport but the pressure of racing each other killed their appreciation for what they had done. Dungey deserves the love he's about to get this summer. Gotta root for the midwest boys!


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SoCalMX70 5/10/2022 8:46am
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Not even a Dungey fan and I get the feeling he will do better than most are saying in this thread. Just a feeling.

Good luck predicting Round 1 though... Crazy deep field and a Tomac that will likely be "easing in" to the series.
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Big Lenny 5/10/2022 9:32am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
He last raced a National 6 years ago. When James Stewart was still racing. Obama was president. Suzuki’s weren’t the only bikes with kickstarters. Zach Osborne...
He last raced a National 6 years ago. When James Stewart was still racing. Obama was president. Suzuki’s weren’t the only bikes with kickstarters. Zach Osborne had yet to win a race. That’s a long time in moto years bro.

if I end up being wrong, I’ll quote this post and admit it.
can't believe you forgot PH was basically giving out weekly premium content for free
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KONG 5/10/2022 9:56am
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2022 SX: "No way Webb doesn't win a few".
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mxer15 5/10/2022 10:51am
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Expect Dung to get lapped first few races. Then maybe top 20. Remember he quit because he got hurt and was afraid of it. You can’t run with these guys if you are worried about getting hurt. Now 222 on the other hand…
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Mit12 5/10/2022 10:55am
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With how Dungey left KTM I do not think that KTM would give him a factory bike and full team support if they did not think he could be competitive. There is a possibility he is in the top 3 in points after the second round.
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mxer15 wrote:
Expect Dung to get lapped first few races. Then maybe top 20. Remember he quit because he got hurt and was afraid of it. You can’t...
Expect Dung to get lapped first few races. Then maybe top 20. Remember he quit because he got hurt and was afraid of it. You can’t run with these guys if you are worried about getting hurt. Now 222 on the other hand…
Maybe top 20? Want to put a dollar amount on that? No way he is outside top 20.
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jorgechavez 5/10/2022 12:10pm
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mxer15 wrote:
Expect Dung to get lapped first few races. Then maybe top 20. Remember he quit because he got hurt and was afraid of it. You can’t...
Expect Dung to get lapped first few races. Then maybe top 20. Remember he quit because he got hurt and was afraid of it. You can’t run with these guys if you are worried about getting hurt. Now 222 on the other hand…
LOL Dungey isn’t going to get lapped unless his bike doesn’t start like 2011 Southwick.. and even then he didn’t get lapped
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KirkChandler 5/10/2022 12:29pm
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It’s crazy that he’s only 32.

He has less mileage on him than his direct competitors. Besides Sexton, everyone else that’s considered title threats are 27-30. The only difference is they have raced the last 5 years.

If he were to win a race or even the long shot title does it change his status on the all time great list?
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KurtJ99 5/10/2022 12:36pm
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Dungey has the advantage of not being injured like half the field, a former champion, in shape, been riding.

He's tan, rested and ready (only a few old goats will get that reference).
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Sacko 5/10/2022 12:54pm
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drok577 wrote:
If he is racing all 12 theres no way he wont win a couple races, maybe even the championship. Its mosty all the same people he's...
If he is racing all 12 theres no way he wont win a couple races, maybe even the championship. Its mosty all the same people he's beated except for Ferrandis and Sexton
I'm definitely rooting for him but I think you are underestimating the importance of gate drops. Naturally you lost the feeling of that race pace and its been 5-6 years since his last gate drop, I believe it would take some sort of superhuman to be able to jump back in at the pace these guys are running. If he wants to give it a real shot, sign a two year deal to go racing IMO. I don't see anyone capable of finding that pace within 12 races after 6 years off. I truley hope he proves me wrong though it would be great to see another front runner.
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Moto Nomad 5/10/2022 12:57pm
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He's beated a lot of these guys before, and also winned a lot, so I wouldn't be surprised to see this happeninged.
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KurtJ99 wrote:
Dungey has the advantage of not being injured like half the field, a former champion, in shape, been riding. He's tan, rested and ready (only a...
Dungey has the advantage of not being injured like half the field, a former champion, in shape, been riding.

He's tan, rested and ready (only a few old goats will get that reference).

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Sacko 5/10/2022 1:11pm
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Thinking (typing) out loud. In no particular order:

Tomac
Ferrandis
Craig
Roczen
Sexton
Plessinger
Cairoli
Mookie (assuming hes still in outdoors)
Dean (When he returns)
Barcia
Anderson
Savatgy
Anstie
Marchbanks
Bogle

All of the above I believe finish ahead of Dungey, especially the first few rounds. Again, nothing against Dungey, I'd love to see him up there, but with 6 years between gate drops I feel all of the above names will have him covered. This means I see him around 15th and I saw an above comment about him getting lapped, I would say yes he gets lapped as we typically see people getting lapped around 12-15th.
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TropicPilot 5/10/2022 1:11pm
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I think he could be a 5-10 guy at the opener, but he could be a 3rd-5th place guy as the season wears on, attrition sets in, and he goes all Dungey on these boys.
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Mr. Afterbar 5/10/2022 1:36pm
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He will be fine after he gets a few rounds in and becomes used to the intensity again. Would not be surprised to see him get podiums.
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kiwifan 5/10/2022 1:37pm
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I am a big fan if his, I think he can definitely get some top 5's...but wins? I would not bet against it but I would be realistically surprised if he got some imho
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Moto76er 5/10/2022 1:42pm
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I like Dungey, think he has been great for the sport and continues to be. IMO he will not get any wins. He will be humbled. I think he can squeak a 3rd in late series races if he ends up doing all 12 rounds. He is a 3 time outdoor champ. But this much time away and coming back with his expectations to compete for wins…..it is not happening in 22’.
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