STARK FUTURE VARG - An Electric Bike that is Faster and Lighter than a 450?

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HonDawg17 wrote:
My 2 cents: -E-MX bikes as the future Premier Class in SX and MX? Absolutely not. -Gas bikes outlawed? Not a chance, there's too many out...
My 2 cents:

-E-MX bikes as the future Premier Class in SX and MX? Absolutely not.
-Gas bikes outlawed? Not a chance, there's too many out there and the community would revolt.
-2 hrs to charge? Good one. How's that going to work on race day?
-They would have their own separate class. Would never be Gas vs Electric, too many differences in power
-NO CLUTCH, TRANS, OR SOUND. I understand Electric doesn't require them, But that's how everyone is brought up on these machines. They need to hear the bike for the feel, and also other riders around you to be aware if someone is about to run into you. You need a clutch to smoothly deliver the power the way you were brought up, using the clutch as a tool. You need a transmission for SX for sure. Shorter gears are needed to pull the torque needed to jump a large rhythm out of a corner. The single gear powerband just doesn't work.
#434 wrote:
Transmission on an electric bike? I get why some off road guys want a clutch, but that… for what? The new model S has no transmission...
Transmission on an electric bike? I get why some off road guys want a clutch, but that… for what?

The new model S has no transmission, does 200 mph AND 0-60 in 2 sec.
HonDawg17 wrote:
I say they need a transmission. Because from what I've heard the torque falls off a lot as you increase speed. Whereas a Gas bike pulls...
I say they need a transmission. Because from what I've heard the torque falls off a lot as you increase speed. Whereas a Gas bike pulls thru the gear that you are in. You can't seat bounce or try to put weight on the rear to lift up on a jump if there's minimal torque there, you'll go over the bars. I don't think you could jump the first rhythm triple out of the corner at Minneapolis. I have yet to be shown a pro rider on a legit supercross test track to prove it. We need a pro rider and track capability proof the bike can do it before they even start thinking about Stark lining up at A1. Better yet, how about they need to actually sell a few to the public just to see how average riding is on the bike.

We're all talking about a bike that doesn't exist yet.
Oh come on that‘s BS and you know it. The only EV I know with a 2-speed gearbox is the Porsche, all the others don’t have one and their speed range is much wider than a dirt bike. Electric motors have a much much wider useable powerband than ICE. Adding a transmission to an electric dirt bike would make as much sense as adding a choke.

And btw.. have you ever seen Justin Hill on the Alta. He pulled that long lane in straight rhythm quite alright.
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RaceFace58 wrote:
I’m just glad someone out there is questioning things as we all run head long into the e-vehicle abyss. Everyone provides very simplistic solutions to very...
I’m just glad someone out there is questioning things as we all run head long into the e-vehicle abyss. Everyone provides very simplistic solutions to very complex problems staring us in the face. I hope the guy that said they’ll never outlaw gas bikes is right. But it’s already happening that gas powered bikes aren’t allowed in certain places in our world right now. I’m amazed that people think manufacturers went to 4-strokes because they could make more money on engine parts. Wait until you need to replace the battery pack on your e-bike.
HonDawg17 wrote:
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons: 1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them...
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons:

1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them an enormous advantage once the motor mods / weight reduction caught up.
2) The government and EPA were going after manufacturers to lower emissions.
3) Its $200 to rebuild a 2 stroke....its $2500+ to rebuild a 4 stroke. Mfg's can make a lot more money easily.
There’s only one reason and it was your number 2. Most leave that one out.
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HonDawg17 wrote:
I say they need a transmission. Because from what I've heard the torque falls off a lot as you increase speed. Whereas a Gas bike pulls...
I say they need a transmission. Because from what I've heard the torque falls off a lot as you increase speed. Whereas a Gas bike pulls thru the gear that you are in. You can't seat bounce or try to put weight on the rear to lift up on a jump if there's minimal torque there, you'll go over the bars. I don't think you could jump the first rhythm triple out of the corner at Minneapolis. I have yet to be shown a pro rider on a legit supercross test track to prove it. We need a pro rider and track capability proof the bike can do it before they even start thinking about Stark lining up at A1. Better yet, how about they need to actually sell a few to the public just to see how average riding is on the bike.

We're all talking about a bike that doesn't exist yet.
Titan1 wrote:
Didn't Josh Hill race RedBull straight rhythm on an alta?
HonDawg17 wrote:
I said a real pro, and a real supercross track with corners. It proved it can go in a straight line..
Josh Hill also won the Geneva Supercross on one...

I'm not sure how you don't consider Josh Hill a "real pro"? Wasn't he qualifying for main events this season?
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HonDawg17 wrote:
I say they need a transmission. Because from what I've heard the torque falls off a lot as you increase speed. Whereas a Gas bike pulls...
I say they need a transmission. Because from what I've heard the torque falls off a lot as you increase speed. Whereas a Gas bike pulls thru the gear that you are in. You can't seat bounce or try to put weight on the rear to lift up on a jump if there's minimal torque there, you'll go over the bars. I don't think you could jump the first rhythm triple out of the corner at Minneapolis. I have yet to be shown a pro rider on a legit supercross test track to prove it. We need a pro rider and track capability proof the bike can do it before they even start thinking about Stark lining up at A1. Better yet, how about they need to actually sell a few to the public just to see how average riding is on the bike.

We're all talking about a bike that doesn't exist yet.
Titan1 wrote:
Didn't Josh Hill race RedBull straight rhythm on an alta?
HonDawg17 wrote:
I said a real pro, and a real supercross track with corners. It proved it can go in a straight line..
He pulled the start from a steel grate against a 450. How much more power of the bottom do you need?
And come on.. a 450 main event winner isn‘t a real pro??

https://youtu.be/dZqmWRi5q2U
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Titan1 wrote:
Didn't Josh Hill race RedBull straight rhythm on an alta?
HonDawg17 wrote:
I said a real pro, and a real supercross track with corners. It proved it can go in a straight line..
Titan1 wrote:
Josh Hill also won the Geneva Supercross on one... I'm not sure how you don't consider Josh Hill a "real pro"? Wasn't he qualifying for main...
Josh Hill also won the Geneva Supercross on one...

I'm not sure how you don't consider Josh Hill a "real pro"? Wasn't he qualifying for main events this season?
He what??? I had to look this up. He won a head to head race against RC, 11 years after RC retired. RC one night 1, Hill night 2. Uncle Ronnie beat RC in an exhibition race too and I really don’t know if RC wasn’t being part showman both times or if he was trying. Anyway how you going to say Josh won the Geneva Supercross from that???
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The starts should be the place the electric shines. We’re going to see once they’re available, if they’re available. Has MXA ever tested an Alta?
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3/17/2022 2:50pm
I don't think MXA considers Stark E-Bikes legitimate MX bikes.

1. They are not in production

2. there is no class for them

3. They can't say just add two teeth on the rear sprocket to tighten up the gaps in the transmission.

But MXA's subscriptions are faltering so in desperation they probably would test even a pre-production unit just to get people to buy their rag.
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Most magazine subscriptions are faltering. Many magazines don’t produce actual copies anymore. I wondered about Alta not StargVark.
3/17/2022 4:01pm
Titan1 wrote:
Didn't Josh Hill race RedBull straight rhythm on an alta?
HonDawg17 wrote:
I said a real pro, and a real supercross track with corners. It proved it can go in a straight line..
#434 wrote:
He pulled the start from a steel grate against a 450. How much more power of the bottom do you need? And come on.. a 450...
He pulled the start from a steel grate against a 450. How much more power of the bottom do you need?
And come on.. a 450 main event winner isn‘t a real pro??

https://youtu.be/dZqmWRi5q2U
I don't mean to disrespect Josh Hill. But the dude can barely qualify for a 250 main event..He's way past his prime. Justin brayton is a current pro and he has a win when he was older than Hill and way more recent. And he's a lot smoother on a motorcycle than Josh Hill. And your argument about the win against RC in Geneva is embarrassing. They were putting on a show and he let him win. I'm telling you the bike can't race supercross. It needs a clutch at the very least.
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I wanna know if you smash the bar mounted “control center” are you all done or can you still ride home? That looks like a $1,000 bill at least sitting on the crossbar there.
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HonDawg17 wrote:
I don't mean to disrespect Josh Hill. But the dude can barely qualify for a 250 main event..He's way past his prime. Justin brayton is a...
I don't mean to disrespect Josh Hill. But the dude can barely qualify for a 250 main event..He's way past his prime. Justin brayton is a current pro and he has a win when he was older than Hill and way more recent. And he's a lot smoother on a motorcycle than Josh Hill. And your argument about the win against RC in Geneva is embarrassing. They were putting on a show and he let him win. I'm telling you the bike can't race supercross. It needs a clutch at the very least.
This deserves more downvotes than my Acerbis post. Where is the justice?
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HonDawg17 wrote:
I said a real pro, and a real supercross track with corners. It proved it can go in a straight line..
#434 wrote:
He pulled the start from a steel grate against a 450. How much more power of the bottom do you need? And come on.. a 450...
He pulled the start from a steel grate against a 450. How much more power of the bottom do you need?
And come on.. a 450 main event winner isn‘t a real pro??

https://youtu.be/dZqmWRi5q2U
HonDawg17 wrote:
I don't mean to disrespect Josh Hill. But the dude can barely qualify for a 250 main event..He's way past his prime. Justin brayton is a...
I don't mean to disrespect Josh Hill. But the dude can barely qualify for a 250 main event..He's way past his prime. Justin brayton is a current pro and he has a win when he was older than Hill and way more recent. And he's a lot smoother on a motorcycle than Josh Hill. And your argument about the win against RC in Geneva is embarrassing. They were putting on a show and he let him win. I'm telling you the bike can't race supercross. It needs a clutch at the very least.
I bet you 10 bucks, Josh Hill or Sebastien Tortelli can beat you on a Stark, you pick the track.
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3/18/2022 12:05am
So when did this thread derail? Let's talk about this bike and its future. Instead people focus who's pro and who's not. I couldn't care less. It doesn't influence me one bit. They don't ride with me and I don't compete with them.

I'm halfway through the podcast. Anton Wass seems like a humble guy with reasonable ambitions. When he said they are working with battery engineers from Zagreb, something clicked. I am also happening to work with Rimac.

What I didn't like so far is the price model. They may be able to reduce their costs over time, but there was zero mention of this being in favour to the customer. Instead, Wass was rather interested in higher grade products with even a higher price tag. Come on, bring the price down to 6-8K and you will sell exponentionally more, maybe with a different model. You will also open the doors for beginners.
The bike costs 12K. Even a three year old used one will still sell for at least 8-9K in the future. They know that these bikes will have a long lifespan, so they have to incorporate that into their business model. Let's face it, the batteries in there should go at least 1000 full cycles and be at least 80% useable still to be considered sustainable. If you manage to go 4 cycles a week, its going to last you 5 years. Be a normal human being with time constraints and you will at least double that.
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3/18/2022 12:14am
I will be done with the sport in every sense of the word when these take over. Imagine going to a race in a stadium and just hear whining bikes that sound like rc cars. It won't be the sport I grew up on and I thought 4strokes were bad. Thank God for YouTube so I can watch old races to hear what real racing sounded like. Good damn hippies and greenness ruining everything. Lame lame lame.
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3/18/2022 12:53am
RaceFace58 wrote:
I’m just glad someone out there is questioning things as we all run head long into the e-vehicle abyss. Everyone provides very simplistic solutions to very...
I’m just glad someone out there is questioning things as we all run head long into the e-vehicle abyss. Everyone provides very simplistic solutions to very complex problems staring us in the face. I hope the guy that said they’ll never outlaw gas bikes is right. But it’s already happening that gas powered bikes aren’t allowed in certain places in our world right now. I’m amazed that people think manufacturers went to 4-strokes because they could make more money on engine parts. Wait until you need to replace the battery pack on your e-bike.
HonDawg17 wrote:
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons: 1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them...
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons:

1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them an enormous advantage once the motor mods / weight reduction caught up.
2) The government and EPA were going after manufacturers to lower emissions.
3) Its $200 to rebuild a 2 stroke....its $2500+ to rebuild a 4 stroke. Mfg's can make a lot more money easily.
What 2 stroke can you rebuild for $200?
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RaceFace58 wrote:
I’m just glad someone out there is questioning things as we all run head long into the e-vehicle abyss. Everyone provides very simplistic solutions to very...
I’m just glad someone out there is questioning things as we all run head long into the e-vehicle abyss. Everyone provides very simplistic solutions to very complex problems staring us in the face. I hope the guy that said they’ll never outlaw gas bikes is right. But it’s already happening that gas powered bikes aren’t allowed in certain places in our world right now. I’m amazed that people think manufacturers went to 4-strokes because they could make more money on engine parts. Wait until you need to replace the battery pack on your e-bike.
HonDawg17 wrote:
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons: 1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them...
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons:

1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them an enormous advantage once the motor mods / weight reduction caught up.
2) The government and EPA were going after manufacturers to lower emissions.
3) Its $200 to rebuild a 2 stroke....its $2500+ to rebuild a 4 stroke. Mfg's can make a lot more money easily.
200$ rebuid vs 2500$ rebuild.. what are u smoking?
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I will be done with the sport in every sense of the word when these take over. Imagine going to a race in a stadium and...
I will be done with the sport in every sense of the word when these take over. Imagine going to a race in a stadium and just hear whining bikes that sound like rc cars. It won't be the sport I grew up on and I thought 4strokes were bad. Thank God for YouTube so I can watch old races to hear what real racing sounded like. Good damn hippies and greenness ruining everything. Lame lame lame.
I’m trying with an open mind imagining it and it’s hard. I’m thinking I will likely have much less interest anyway. Everyone thinks that unknown manufacturers are somehow going to hit it out of the park first try. I read an Alta review and the guy was gushing but when he stated it was the best handling bike he’s ever ridden? So Alta in one try built a better handling bike than all the big 5 with years of R&D? Yeah ok. I saw all this as Cannondale was in development. All the hype, all the rave reviews, then reality set in. I wish these guys well but until I see them successfully deliver the ones they have”sold” already, I will be skeptical.
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RaceFace58 wrote:
I’m just glad someone out there is questioning things as we all run head long into the e-vehicle abyss. Everyone provides very simplistic solutions to very...
I’m just glad someone out there is questioning things as we all run head long into the e-vehicle abyss. Everyone provides very simplistic solutions to very complex problems staring us in the face. I hope the guy that said they’ll never outlaw gas bikes is right. But it’s already happening that gas powered bikes aren’t allowed in certain places in our world right now. I’m amazed that people think manufacturers went to 4-strokes because they could make more money on engine parts. Wait until you need to replace the battery pack on your e-bike.
HonDawg17 wrote:
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons: 1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them...
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons:

1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them an enormous advantage once the motor mods / weight reduction caught up.
2) The government and EPA were going after manufacturers to lower emissions.
3) Its $200 to rebuild a 2 stroke....its $2500+ to rebuild a 4 stroke. Mfg's can make a lot more money easily.
tek14 wrote:
200$ rebuid vs 2500$ rebuild.. what are u smoking?
It's been a while, but I think a piston, valves, gaskets, and cam chain was going to cost a little over $550 when I was going to do the top end in my 450. Then stopped riding as much and it's still running fine with 120ish hours. If I have to replace a battery pack once every 3000 hours, that seems like it would be double the life of a normal ICE bike.
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3/18/2022 4:33am
I will be done with the sport in every sense of the word when these take over. Imagine going to a race in a stadium and...
I will be done with the sport in every sense of the word when these take over. Imagine going to a race in a stadium and just hear whining bikes that sound like rc cars. It won't be the sport I grew up on and I thought 4strokes were bad. Thank God for YouTube so I can watch old races to hear what real racing sounded like. Good damn hippies and greenness ruining everything. Lame lame lame.
RaceFace58 wrote:
I’m trying with an open mind imagining it and it’s hard. I’m thinking I will likely have much less interest anyway. Everyone thinks that unknown manufacturers...
I’m trying with an open mind imagining it and it’s hard. I’m thinking I will likely have much less interest anyway. Everyone thinks that unknown manufacturers are somehow going to hit it out of the park first try. I read an Alta review and the guy was gushing but when he stated it was the best handling bike he’s ever ridden? So Alta in one try built a better handling bike than all the big 5 with years of R&D? Yeah ok. I saw all this as Cannondale was in development. All the hype, all the rave reviews, then reality set in. I wish these guys well but until I see them successfully deliver the ones they have”sold” already, I will be skeptical.
It's eventually is gonna happen in one way or other and I'm done. Thank God for the NFL otherwise I guess I'm done watching sports. It would break my heart. Motocross is the noise. 😫
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I am getting really excited for some ride repots on this bike. I am not an early adopter, and I don't want to bring a generator to the track, but I could see in around 2023-2024 having a Canoo van and an electric dirt bike. For me, as long as the performance is similar, I will be happy to never change my oil and air filter ever again. Just wash the thing as needed, or when you need new tires and sprockets. I am busy, I get to ride once a week, at most. Some weeks, I have to spend that day doing maintenance. Now, that would be another riding day for me.

What has me excited is that (1) they did their homework on frame geometry and flex, the bike weighs the same as my Honda 250F (wet), and I can turn the power down to match a 250F, and it will certainly let me moto hard for 40 minutes.

As soon as I can drive to the track in something that can charge it relatively quickly, I will probably cross over.
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HonDawg17 wrote:
I said a real pro, and a real supercross track with corners. It proved it can go in a straight line..
#434 wrote:
He pulled the start from a steel grate against a 450. How much more power of the bottom do you need? And come on.. a 450...
He pulled the start from a steel grate against a 450. How much more power of the bottom do you need?
And come on.. a 450 main event winner isn‘t a real pro??

https://youtu.be/dZqmWRi5q2U
HonDawg17 wrote:
I don't mean to disrespect Josh Hill. But the dude can barely qualify for a 250 main event..He's way past his prime. Justin brayton is a...
I don't mean to disrespect Josh Hill. But the dude can barely qualify for a 250 main event..He's way past his prime. Justin brayton is a current pro and he has a win when he was older than Hill and way more recent. And he's a lot smoother on a motorcycle than Josh Hill. And your argument about the win against RC in Geneva is embarrassing. They were putting on a show and he let him win. I'm telling you the bike can't race supercross. It needs a clutch at the very least.
You may win the prize for the stupidest post of the week with this one…..

It’s not “Josh Hill can barely make a 250 Main….”

It’s “Josh Hill is so talented that he can stop actively racing many years ago and STILL make a 250 Main…”

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I will be done with the sport in every sense of the word when these take over. Imagine going to a race in a stadium and...
I will be done with the sport in every sense of the word when these take over. Imagine going to a race in a stadium and just hear whining bikes that sound like rc cars. It won't be the sport I grew up on and I thought 4strokes were bad. Thank God for YouTube so I can watch old races to hear what real racing sounded like. Good damn hippies and greenness ruining everything. Lame lame lame.
RaceFace58 wrote:
I’m trying with an open mind imagining it and it’s hard. I’m thinking I will likely have much less interest anyway. Everyone thinks that unknown manufacturers...
I’m trying with an open mind imagining it and it’s hard. I’m thinking I will likely have much less interest anyway. Everyone thinks that unknown manufacturers are somehow going to hit it out of the park first try. I read an Alta review and the guy was gushing but when he stated it was the best handling bike he’s ever ridden? So Alta in one try built a better handling bike than all the big 5 with years of R&D? Yeah ok. I saw all this as Cannondale was in development. All the hype, all the rave reviews, then reality set in. I wish these guys well but until I see them successfully deliver the ones they have”sold” already, I will be skeptical.
It's eventually is gonna happen in one way or other and I'm done. Thank God for the NFL otherwise I guess I'm done watching sports. It...
It's eventually is gonna happen in one way or other and I'm done. Thank God for the NFL otherwise I guess I'm done watching sports. It would break my heart. Motocross is the noise. 😫
I agree. I was shocked at how it ruined my weekend when I read that Kawasaki announced it will be all electric by 2035. Not just for bikes but for all motorized vehicles. I was thinking this is really happening, quickly. But at the same time fearful of what’s going to happen as we aren’t prepared ti he doing this 12 years from now.
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3/18/2022 3:44pm
RaceFace58 wrote:
I’m just glad someone out there is questioning things as we all run head long into the e-vehicle abyss. Everyone provides very simplistic solutions to very...
I’m just glad someone out there is questioning things as we all run head long into the e-vehicle abyss. Everyone provides very simplistic solutions to very complex problems staring us in the face. I hope the guy that said they’ll never outlaw gas bikes is right. But it’s already happening that gas powered bikes aren’t allowed in certain places in our world right now. I’m amazed that people think manufacturers went to 4-strokes because they could make more money on engine parts. Wait until you need to replace the battery pack on your e-bike.
HonDawg17 wrote:
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons: 1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them...
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons:

1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them an enormous advantage once the motor mods / weight reduction caught up.
2) The government and EPA were going after manufacturers to lower emissions.
3) Its $200 to rebuild a 2 stroke....its $2500+ to rebuild a 4 stroke. Mfg's can make a lot more money easily.
What 2 stroke can you rebuild for $200?
All of them...

Sorry I exaggerated the price. A YZ250 vertex piston kit is only $120.
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3/18/2022 5:45pm
HonDawg17 wrote:
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons: 1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them...
The 4 stroke thing happened because of 3 reasons:

1) The AMA highly under-rated what technology/ horsepower could be found in the 4 strokes. Giving them an enormous advantage once the motor mods / weight reduction caught up.
2) The government and EPA were going after manufacturers to lower emissions.
3) Its $200 to rebuild a 2 stroke....its $2500+ to rebuild a 4 stroke. Mfg's can make a lot more money easily.
What 2 stroke can you rebuild for $200?
HonDawg17 wrote:
All of them...

Sorry I exaggerated the price. A YZ250 vertex piston kit is only $120.
A piston kit for a ktm 450 is $200…
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So I’m now researching the Alta for comparison. I had a few thoughts regarding the no maintenance idea. Certainly there’s no top end. Are there no gears? No bearings in the motor? I’ve read the battery will last 1,000 hours which I’m also told is a ridiculously long time. Manufacturers claim though. Yet no talk of the motor’s life. Or the life of the motor’s bearings and gears. Gear oil should be replaced every 40 hours. Seeing as it’s only 80mL, I’d go much sooner. Not a big deal. But what’s the life expectancy on the bearings involved? Anyway all the other maintenance exists, linkage, swingarm, coolant, suspension. I know air filters aren’t THAT big a deal. The big deal for me is in the test I read they got 30 minutes out of the Alta then had to charge for 1.5 hours and that’s with 220v hookup. They didn’t even say what it is without that. They squeezed an hour and a half trail riding pace but had to use the low map setting to do so. Alta claimed they got 4 hours at trail riding pace. I’m glad people are psyched about this and hope they’re happy with their purchase. Nowhere anywhere, here or tests, reviews, do I hear anyone wondering what happens when they smash this giant iPhone attached to my crossbar. I mean that thing is right there just waiting to get crushed in a crash (or when your face smacks it). For play riders probably less likely. In hardcore Pro type racing? It could get smashed with a flying rock.
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RaceFace58 wrote:
So I’m now researching the Alta for comparison. I had a few thoughts regarding the no maintenance idea. Certainly there’s no top end. Are there no...
So I’m now researching the Alta for comparison. I had a few thoughts regarding the no maintenance idea. Certainly there’s no top end. Are there no gears? No bearings in the motor? I’ve read the battery will last 1,000 hours which I’m also told is a ridiculously long time. Manufacturers claim though. Yet no talk of the motor’s life. Or the life of the motor’s bearings and gears. Gear oil should be replaced every 40 hours. Seeing as it’s only 80mL, I’d go much sooner. Not a big deal. But what’s the life expectancy on the bearings involved? Anyway all the other maintenance exists, linkage, swingarm, coolant, suspension. I know air filters aren’t THAT big a deal. The big deal for me is in the test I read they got 30 minutes out of the Alta then had to charge for 1.5 hours and that’s with 220v hookup. They didn’t even say what it is without that. They squeezed an hour and a half trail riding pace but had to use the low map setting to do so. Alta claimed they got 4 hours at trail riding pace. I’m glad people are psyched about this and hope they’re happy with their purchase. Nowhere anywhere, here or tests, reviews, do I hear anyone wondering what happens when they smash this giant iPhone attached to my crossbar. I mean that thing is right there just waiting to get crushed in a crash (or when your face smacks it). For play riders probably less likely. In hardcore Pro type racing? It could get smashed with a flying rock.
Air filters not a big deal? I hate messing with that sticking oil and everything.

Looking from a EV standpoint, there’s no wear on the motor. Volkswagen claims 1 million kilometers lifespan for their motors. Fully sealed of bearings last 1000s of hours. The few gears in there don’t have to deal with debris from the clutch or gear changes. You change the oil after a run in period and forget about them.

Sure, suspension and frame bearings are still the same, but you do that once a season as a weekend warrior.

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Lol ok. Yeah I’m guessing if you hate doing air filters you won’t be touching linkage or swingarm joints at all. I mean once a year. I guess a lot of us are weirdos as I enjoy the wrenching aspect as well. Yes I know all those Volkswagens spend all their time on dirt tracks where that dirt gets into everything. Sand? Forget it. You generally don’t ever touch any bearing on a street bike either. Your E bike will be clapped out just like any other bike if you don’t do any maintenance. Should work out well.
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Lol ok. Yeah I’m guessing if you hate doing air filters you won’t be touching linkage or swingarm joints at all. I mean once a year...
Lol ok. Yeah I’m guessing if you hate doing air filters you won’t be touching linkage or swingarm joints at all. I mean once a year. I guess a lot of us are weirdos as I enjoy the wrenching aspect as well. Yes I know all those Volkswagens spend all their time on dirt tracks where that dirt gets into everything. Sand? Forget it. You generally don’t ever touch any bearing on a street bike either. Your E bike will be clapped out just like any other bike if you don’t do any maintenance. Should work out well.
Sure, the parts that are the same will clap out the same. Why would it be different?

At least you agree with what I said about the reliability of the electric bike‘s powertrain.
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RaceFace58 wrote:
Lol ok. Yeah I’m guessing if you hate doing air filters you won’t be touching linkage or swingarm joints at all. I mean once a year...
Lol ok. Yeah I’m guessing if you hate doing air filters you won’t be touching linkage or swingarm joints at all. I mean once a year. I guess a lot of us are weirdos as I enjoy the wrenching aspect as well. Yes I know all those Volkswagens spend all their time on dirt tracks where that dirt gets into everything. Sand? Forget it. You generally don’t ever touch any bearing on a street bike either. Your E bike will be clapped out just like any other bike if you don’t do any maintenance. Should work out well.
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Sure, the parts that are the same will clap out the same. Why would it be different? At least you agree with what I said about...
Sure, the parts that are the same will clap out the same. Why would it be different?

At least you agree with what I said about the reliability of the electric bike‘s powertrain.
I don’t agree so not sure where you read that. I’m more of the opinion that we have no idea yet since Alta’s are only a few years old and the StargVark isn’t out yet. I made the point that these are headed into dirty grimy environments where often the grit is power washed off (or in). You can’t put a car claim onto a dirt bike. I hope the Vark is everything people want it to be. I don’t think e-bikes will be ready until the Big 5 are forced to produce them. I didn’t say develop because that is well under way. They will set what the standard output will be and everyone else will have to follow that if they want to race them in the Pro series.
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I don’t agree so not sure where you read that. I’m more of the opinion that we have no idea yet since Alta’s are only a...
I don’t agree so not sure where you read that. I’m more of the opinion that we have no idea yet since Alta’s are only a few years old and the StargVark isn’t out yet. I made the point that these are headed into dirty grimy environments where often the grit is power washed off (or in). You can’t put a car claim onto a dirt bike. I hope the Vark is everything people want it to be. I don’t think e-bikes will be ready until the Big 5 are forced to produce them. I didn’t say develop because that is well under way. They will set what the standard output will be and everyone else will have to follow that if they want to race them in the Pro series.
As if the electric motor or the gears or the battery or the electronics get in any way in contact with dirt, water or anything from the outside. You can ride the damn bike under water!
Just keep oiling your filters and blowing the grease out your linkage bearings with your power washer… but leave me alone with your childish arguing why something can’t possibly work.
If you only like ICE bikes: fine, keep riding it, but have an open mind for new stuff. If everybody was like you, we‘d still be enjoying the great outdoors on horseback.
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