Would the 250SX series be better if it wasn't East/West?

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Phillip_Lamb 3/3/2022 4:16pm
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HonDawg17 wrote:
I've said for a while it would be better if they just combined all the 250's instead of split them up. And also forget about the...
I've said for a while it would be better if they just combined all the 250's instead of split them up. And also forget about the pointing out rules, let guys make a career in the 250 class if they don't want to race a 450.

It doesn't have to be a "stepping stone" class like they're trying to keep it as now, that's what amateur racing is for isn't it?
without consideration to the 'show' or tv package

a national 250 class, imo, would only work and if there was a regional series still.

250 east/west
250 national
450 national

think along the lines of MLB, AAA, and AA.

the 450 for your elite riders, 250 national for experienced or overall good riders but not quite good enough for 450 and the regional's for rookies, regional teams and slower riders.

how this keeps jobs from getting cut, is say Pro circuit only runs 2-3 riders in the national series, and they put their slower/younger/ less experienced in the regional series


really a national series would be for guys like Craig or Martin or lawrence, who are either a little too inexperienced for 450s but are too fast for regionals, or for a veteran guy who cant pick up a 450 ride
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My heros growing up
Rodger Decoster 500cc
Joel Robert 250cc
What matters is the racing.
250 class share the billing.
same prize money, same points etc
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Question 3/3/2022 5:16pm
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Every year the same idea, to fix something that works before plently of other things to make better.

Right now, we would have less than 50% of the titles and podium contenders after a few rounds in 250. The kids are wild Smile (and many are particularly not lucky this year). The excitment is much much better with 2 coasts. And they still have plenty of time to show who is the boss in the nationals.
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LouisianaMotocross 3/3/2022 7:13pm
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IMO, There should be 5 east coast and five west coast rounds. After those 5 rounds the top 15 from each coast qualify to participate in...
IMO,

There should be 5 east coast and five west coast rounds. After those 5 rounds the top 15 from each coast qualify to participate in the 250 sx championship that is the last 7 rounds.

Riders go into the last 7 rounds with points according to their ranking in the qualifying rounds. 1st from each coast 26 pts, 2nd: 23 pts, 3rd 21pts and so on down to 15th.

The last 7 rounds the top 15 from each coast race for the championship. But start with a slight points advantage based on where they ranked in each coast.

Or even go 4 rds per coast then a 9 race series for top 15 from each coast.
Best idea I have heard. Really like that a lot.
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DrinkMoreWater 3/3/2022 7:29pm
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lwtracer wrote:
three classes.

450 - all rounds
250 - all rounds
125 - east / west

Do the same for MX.
This is the only answer imo.
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UpTiTe 3/3/2022 7:36pm
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Make the 250 class a full national class, and make a regional east/west coast series with a hard 3 year rule. All riders are seated in the main events via timed qualifying with LCQs starting the night show.
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lwtracer wrote:
three classes.

450 - all rounds
250 - all rounds
125 - east / west

Do the same for MX.
Agree. 100%. Would see a lot of European OEM's in the 125 East/West series. Which is a good thing.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Make the 250 class a full national class, and make a regional east/west coast series with a hard 3 year rule. All riders are seated in...
Make the 250 class a full national class, and make a regional east/west coast series with a hard 3 year rule. All riders are seated in the main events via timed qualifying with LCQs starting the night show.
Would you want to see 125 2 strokes racing the regional series, or say 250F's that are limited (someone on here mentioned a spec ECU) or make them run a low octane (spec fuel), say 93 octane?
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UpTiTe 3/4/2022 4:37am
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UpTiTe wrote:
Make the 250 class a full national class, and make a regional east/west coast series with a hard 3 year rule. All riders are seated in...
Make the 250 class a full national class, and make a regional east/west coast series with a hard 3 year rule. All riders are seated in the main events via timed qualifying with LCQs starting the night show.
Harry_Gray wrote:
Would you want to see 125 2 strokes racing the regional series, or say 250F's that are limited (someone on here mentioned a spec ECU) or...
Would you want to see 125 2 strokes racing the regional series, or say 250F's that are limited (someone on here mentioned a spec ECU) or make them run a low octane (spec fuel), say 93 octane?
250fs for sure, they won’t be racing 125s so there is no need to put them on one.

I wouldn’t use spec fuel or a spec ecu, you want them to have the power they need to learn how to ride the bikes safely. I’d make strict production rules, same rules as a Lorettas modified bike, absolutely no kit suspension, just modified.
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We don't have east/west for the 250 National MX series, so why in SX? Make 250SX just like the outdoors, 1 class. Drop this east/west bullshit.
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Not a full schedule but I’d like to maybe see something like the premier 250 class run 10 races and the futures run 7. I think that would be a perfect balance. Get the futures guys some TV time. The reasoning behind the coasts for the premiere 250 guys is completely outdated.

At the very least though I think they need 3 showdown races. One on the east coast, one on the west coast, and one as a triple crown. That way the triple crowns are balanced east west. And we get to see one triple crown with all the best 250 riders.
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Frank Tuesday 3/4/2022 9:24am
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HonDawg17 wrote:
I've said for a while it would be better if they just combined all the 250's instead of split them up. And also forget about the...
I've said for a while it would be better if they just combined all the 250's instead of split them up. And also forget about the pointing out rules, let guys make a career in the 250 class if they don't want to race a 450.

It doesn't have to be a "stepping stone" class like they're trying to keep it as now, that's what amateur racing is for isn't it?
It will always be a stepping stone class. Anyone with real talent doesn't dream of a long career in 250. They all dream of being 450 champ. You can never have 2 "premier" classes. There is only one Premier class (450) and all other classes, whether amateur or professional, are stepping stones to 450.
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HonDawg17 wrote:
I've said for a while it would be better if they just combined all the 250's instead of split them up. And also forget about the...
I've said for a while it would be better if they just combined all the 250's instead of split them up. And also forget about the pointing out rules, let guys make a career in the 250 class if they don't want to race a 450.

It doesn't have to be a "stepping stone" class like they're trying to keep it as now, that's what amateur racing is for isn't it?
Phillip_Lamb wrote:
without consideration to the 'show' or tv package a national 250 class, imo, would only work and if there was a regional series still. 250 east/west...
without consideration to the 'show' or tv package

a national 250 class, imo, would only work and if there was a regional series still.

250 east/west
250 national
450 national

think along the lines of MLB, AAA, and AA.

the 450 for your elite riders, 250 national for experienced or overall good riders but not quite good enough for 450 and the regional's for rookies, regional teams and slower riders.

how this keeps jobs from getting cut, is say Pro circuit only runs 2-3 riders in the national series, and they put their slower/younger/ less experienced in the regional series


really a national series would be for guys like Craig or Martin or lawrence, who are either a little too inexperienced for 450s but are too fast for regionals, or for a veteran guy who cant pick up a 450 ride
Very similar to this would be a combined 250 class:

Qualify 44 riders
Transfer through heats, no LCQ
Top 22 go into the A main. 23-44 into the B.
Run a shorter B main, and a full A main.

But will it fit in the 3 hr TV program window?
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Gordon Liddy 3/4/2022 10:11am
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During an interview with Mitch Payton a while back, he stated that he thought the 250E and 250W should be combined into one class.
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RaceFace58 3/4/2022 10:17am
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I like the A B idea. The B doesn’t have to be on TV. You can’t tailor things based on who won’t have a ride, that’s economy based anyway. Any system could go in the shitter if people stop buying product.
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nousername 3/4/2022 10:31am
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I just wish they would make daytona a east west shootout
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LouisianaMotocross 3/4/2022 11:17am
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I just wish they would make daytona a east west shootout
Atlanta is so at least one of the speedways is an e/w.
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Question wrote:
Every year the same idea, to fix something that works before plently of other things to make better. Right now, we would have less than 50%...

Every year the same idea, to fix something that works before plently of other things to make better.

Right now, we would have less than 50% of the titles and podium contenders after a few rounds in 250. The kids are wild Smile (and many are particularly not lucky this year). The excitment is much much better with 2 coasts. And they still have plenty of time to show who is the boss in the nationals.
That’s how I see it, too.

Adding a 125 class sounds great; but, with 3 of the OEMs not having one…well…I’m not seeing it.

I could see Futures getting a little more popular, possibly.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Make the 250 class a full national class, and make a regional east/west coast series with a hard 3 year rule. All riders are seated in...
Make the 250 class a full national class, and make a regional east/west coast series with a hard 3 year rule. All riders are seated in the main events via timed qualifying with LCQs starting the night show.
I like this.
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Leave Us To 3/4/2022 11:53am
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Gordon Liddy wrote:
During an interview with Mitch Payton a while back, he stated that he thought the 250E and 250W should be combined into one class.
Mitch Payton sure as heck knows what he is talking about but my opinion is things are fine the way they are.

If you're going to tweak something:

1) Institute a 23 year old age limit to the existing 250 program

2) Add a 250/450 support class with stock ECU's and motors allowing only exhaust and suspension upgrades. Racers aging out would have a class they can race in and can pick which displacement is best for them. Maintenance costs would be minimal and this could also be a class for the up and comers that can't afford a PC or Star Racing type machine after graduating from Loretta Lynn's.
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nousername 3/4/2022 4:28pm
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Iv been wanting them to make it a national series but it is nice when east starts and its all new guys again.
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Joey_Bridges wrote:
An interesting idea was brought up on pulp monday night. 250w for established riders. craig, friese, the Martin's, etc... 250e for the feeder series it's supposed...
An interesting idea was brought up on pulp monday night.
250w for established riders.
craig, friese, the Martin's, etc...
250e for the feeder series it's supposed to be.

Solves the point out system, that's obviously not working.
And there's not enough 450 rides to support the talent that's been hanging around the 250 class far too long.
We've also seen a lot of good 250 riders get mired in the back of the open class.
Bogle, and others.
I think this idea has a lot of merit -- and maybe even have some different tech restrictions for the entry class? That way there is some level of development class, and a longer path to 450s since guys seem to have longer careers now than ever before.
devindavisphoto 3/5/2022 11:35am
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lwtracer wrote:
three classes.

450 - all rounds
250 - all rounds
125 - east / west

Do the same for MX.
If anything, SX Futures would become a "third" class and be required for riders to race and earn a certain amount of points before earning their license to race in the premier 250 class (it already is, to an extent, but every top amateur/rookie racing, similar to the EMX250 class in Europe)
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The whole east/west series has become very stagnant. The deal of 6 races on the west coast and then 2 rounds later is pretty lame. Would love to see what uptite is talking about with a national series and a futures series as well. Or at least more east/west shootouts as well in Texas and Minn. I understand more rides but some of these kids have no business on a sx track.
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vango 3/5/2022 1:45pm
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vango wrote:
My heros growing up
Rodger Decoster 500cc
Joel Robert 250cc
What matters is the racing.
250 class share the billing.
same prize money, same points etc
Point is I don’t think less of Joel Robert because he did not ride the premiere class(500).
A true “feeder class” would be 125’s
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vango 3/5/2022 1:45pm
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vango wrote:
My heros growing up
Rodger Decoster 500cc
Joel Robert 250cc
What matters is the racing.
250 class share the billing.
same prize money, same points etc
Point is I don’t think less of Joel Robert because he did not ride the premiere class(500).
A true “feeder class” would be 125’s
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vango 3/5/2022 1:45pm
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vango wrote:
My heros growing up
Rodger Decoster 500cc
Joel Robert 250cc
What matters is the racing.
250 class share the billing.
same prize money, same points etc
Point is I don’t think less of Joel Robert because he did not ride the premiere class(500).
A true “feeder class” would be 125’s

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