Best riding program to increase endurance

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Hello. What is the best way to train in order to increase your moto length? I can only ride 4-5 fast laps before i have armpump or become too tired too continue at the same speed. I usually do these 6 x 4-5 lap motos and always try to improve my laps times. I do get faster, but i my endurance stays the same. For sure i can go slower and last longer, but i dont know if this will help me with my speed at all.
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tomaskkr wrote:
Hello. What is the best way to train in order to increase your moto length? I can only ride 4-5 fast laps before i have armpump...
Hello. What is the best way to train in order to increase your moto length? I can only ride 4-5 fast laps before i have armpump or become too tired too continue at the same speed. I usually do these 6 x 4-5 lap motos and always try to improve my laps times. I do get faster, but i my endurance stays the same. For sure i can go slower and last longer, but i dont know if this will help me with my speed at all.
Working on technique will make you more efficient. Arm pump can be alleviated by improving the grip on your bike with your legs. But stuff you can do off the bike is trail run, burpees, rowing machine. Try doing a good warm up first before even doing a moto. Jumping jacks are a good activity. You want to get your heart rate up and get your blood pumping rather then go 0-100 by hopping on the bike right away.
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Buy a road bike (bicycle). Start hitting the tuesday night worlds, in your town Smile Don't let getting dropped make you quit. Keep coming back. Go fast zones are great, so are hero pulls. But making the end of the ride is even better Smile Rinse, repeat. Fucking arm pump.. It gets even the cheeky faced pros Wink How are you measuring lap times? Do you think Dungey would care more about 6 fast laps, or winning the moto?
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What worked for me is learning how to ride when tired. If you are absolutely beat at the end of lap 5, just slow down a little, take some deep breaths, and try to ride smooth at 90% for another lap or two. After a while, you may find that you "break through" and can turn it back up for a few more.
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My routine right now is 3x a week cardio training with H10 HR strap but at different levels. 1 day 40 minutes at level 2, a day at level 3 for 30 minutes, and the last day level 3/4 for 20 minutes. Building that base level of endurance is probably the most important. Last year I did this and I could ride for 25+ minutes no problem while pushing it. In addition to the cardio, 2x a week strength training.

Get the body warmed up before you even get on the track. Not just hop on and ride or only 20 jumping jacks. Spend 10-15 minutes getting warmed up and limbered up. Make sure you are hydrating a day or two prior to riding.

Breathe, its definitely harder to do this if you arent hitting every jump on the track. More air time=more deep breaths.

Technique makes up for a lot of shortcomings on fitness. Smooth lines and carrying momentum is easier on the body.
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I have good luck using my Concept 2 rowing machine. With the exception of more seat time, I have found this to be the most effective training tool for me.
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If you have the means, buy yourself a rowing machine (it doesn’t have to be a expensive one) and follow DarkHorse rowing on YouTube. You can follow along with his workouts and that will help you out quite a bit. Building a cardio base is probably what you need to work on, off the bike.

My weekly routine is 4x a week I complete a HIT workout on the rower trying to maintain a heart rate zone 3-4 for 30 minutes, and I keep my stroke rate at a 20 - 24 - 26 for different intervals. Following along with the DarkHorse rowing videos really helped me in the beginning. To warm up for my rowing workouts, I just do 50 pushups, 100 ab rolls, 100 jumping jacks, 100 15lbs kettlebell swings, and 20-25 hiesman lunges. The warmup typically takes me 12-15 minutes. So, all in I have about an hour of working out 4x a week.

I would love to hear some other people’s thoughts on basic motocross fitness/at home workouts!
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Stairstepper is great for cardio.

Best thing I've ever done for my fitness is a to get a Polar watch and use their Flow app to track my workouts and quantify my training and fitness. If you aren't up for a watch, a chest or arm strap would work too.

In your case, it'd be interesting to see if you could correlate your HR to arm pump. I betcha your arm pump starts where your cardio ends.
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Find a hill . Set a timer to 25 minutes. . 20 push ups at the bottom, run up hill. 20 core exercises (you can change each time) . Run down. Rinse and repeat. If it gets easy, which if you are cranking up and down that hill it wont for awhile. Add a vest and or minutes. Also could find a steeper hill😂 . 5 laps will be nothing assuming you ride as well on a regular basis. I was doing 3- 20 minute motos when practicing. With some sprints or sections if i had time.
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Ride a bicycle. Run. Eat better. Squeeze the motorcycle with your knees. That’s about it.
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Ride a bicycle. Run. Eat better. Squeeze the motorcycle with your knees. That’s about it.
Yep, build a base fitness by cycling and riding at 80% for 20 minute motos. Constantly work on technique and gripping with your legs and having a light grip on your bars. More seat time means your body reacts quicker and calmer to everything it sees and feels. Build the base and then you can start pushing.
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Slow down so you can ride 30 minute motos. And the speed will come. Do 3 30 minute motos and sprints at the end.

3 x 30 minute motos is roughly 45 laps compared to what you were doing previously which is 20ish laps.

You’ll learn a lot more in 45 laps working on lines and technique and reading the track changes than you would in 20 laps wide open barely holding on after lap 3 each session.
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3/1/2022 3:00pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2022 3:04pm
tomaskkr wrote:
Hello. What is the best way to train in order to increase your moto length? I can only ride 4-5 fast laps before i have armpump...
Hello. What is the best way to train in order to increase your moto length? I can only ride 4-5 fast laps before i have armpump or become too tired too continue at the same speed. I usually do these 6 x 4-5 lap motos and always try to improve my laps times. I do get faster, but i my endurance stays the same. For sure i can go slower and last longer, but i dont know if this will help me with my speed at all.
How's your diet? Something that is often overlooked..don't eat any processed foods, just meat/eggs and fruit and veggies and only drink water. Combine that with 20-30min of cardio 3-4days a week and some light weights and I think you will see a massive difference..made a huge difference for me and my diet wasn't even bad before..just ate restaurant food a couple times a week and some pasta and bread..
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Endurance comes from exercising at a low intensity for a long time. Back down your speed and ride 10 or 15 laps. Give it 3-4 weeks and try sprints again. You dont see professional sprinters running marathons. Theyre built entirely differently
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Stupid Keefer After Dark, I can't help but think of this as a KAD question. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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It's mostly diet
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Find a hill . Set a timer to 25 minutes. . 20 push ups at the bottom, run up hill. 20 core exercises (you can change...
Find a hill . Set a timer to 25 minutes. . 20 push ups at the bottom, run up hill. 20 core exercises (you can change each time) . Run down. Rinse and repeat. If it gets easy, which if you are cranking up and down that hill it wont for awhile. Add a vest and or minutes. Also could find a steeper hill😂 . 5 laps will be nothing assuming you ride as well on a regular basis. I was doing 3- 20 minute motos when practicing. With some sprints or sections if i had time.
Yeah a very steep hill is the best. E side GB has a tubing hill . One part is straight up I sprint it 3 times. Hs football players run it 6-8 times. Walter Payton ran a steep hill. I think swimming and jump rope is great you don’t get bored like gym cardio equipment.
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3/1/2022 11:16pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2022 11:22pm
Train with a power meter. This is most feasible with road cycling. Get the book "The Time Crunched Cyclist" by Chris Carmichael. Until you train with a power meter, you are just guessing about what your body is actually doing. Mix it up as well. Err on the side of intensity over long and easy. 20 minutes is not really an "endurance" event. It may seem long when you are not fit, but is not really any different than any event over about 3-4 minutes where you can not just rely on anaerobic deficit....
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Stamina comes from working just below your max, as long as you can sustain it without going so hard you don't have energy to do the next round. Typically zone 2 and 4 training. 1-2h sessions in zone 2, or intervals in zone 4 like 6*6min, 8*6min, 6*8min or 8*8min at 80-85% of max.1-2min rest in between.

Don't try and increase stamina with intervals sessions like some suggest above. That only increase vo2max and that is an issue only if you feel like "run out of air" going max. 60-65 vo2max is enou for mx.
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Thanks for the replies guys, really good ideas! I forgot to give you more info. I can ride only on the weekend, mostly on Saturdays cause after riding i am pretty beat up to ride on Sunday again! For cardio, i ride spinning bike(boring enough!) 2d x week, 30-40min at around 140-150bps (i wear chest heart rate monitor). Im thinking about starting cross training at a local gym, its mostly interval training with low resistance,bodyweight exercises and high intensity. I also intend to replace spinning bike with a budget rowing machine. I am not really into running cause of back issues.

I am really keen to listen more riding plans. I read somewhere that you can try ride 1 fast lap, then back it off at 60-70% then another fast lap and goes on.
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tomaskkr wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys, really good ideas! I forgot to give you more info. I can ride only on the weekend, mostly on Saturdays cause...
Thanks for the replies guys, really good ideas! I forgot to give you more info. I can ride only on the weekend, mostly on Saturdays cause after riding i am pretty beat up to ride on Sunday again! For cardio, i ride spinning bike(boring enough!) 2d x week, 30-40min at around 140-150bps (i wear chest heart rate monitor). Im thinking about starting cross training at a local gym, its mostly interval training with low resistance,bodyweight exercises and high intensity. I also intend to replace spinning bike with a budget rowing machine. I am not really into running cause of back issues.

I am really keen to listen more riding plans. I read somewhere that you can try ride 1 fast lap, then back it off at 60-70% then another fast lap and goes on.
The sessions are to short to increase base anything noticeable. Zone 2 should be 1h minimum, preferably 1.5-2h.

If thats all the time you have, switch to 6x6 or 6x8min intervalls with 2min rest in between. First can be a bit slower as warm up, but you should not burn yourself out on the first because then you activate wrong muscle fiber types and the session are done. Last one, you can bring it up above 90% max HR in the end if you want.

On rowing machine, i start the first session at 2.05-2.08 at restitance 10. Then drop to 9 for session 2 and go to 2.01-2.02 tempo (overall tempo). Last 4 session im at resistance 8 and 2.00-2.01 overall tempo.

Then you can do one day of intervalls on bike (1 or 2 laps with 1 lap rest x5 active laps sessions), and one day with 20min sessions at slower pace. Standing up for 20min is a good way of lowering tempo and also increasing technique and stamina, doing 3 of those + 1 10-15min. I start with the intervalls on saturday, then longer on sunday since im pretty toast in my lower back and legs after longer sessions.

If you have not done a max HR test you need to do it. Either yourself or at a training facility. If you do it yourself, need to do a lot of reading and also do several tries since you will not get it right at the first one.

HR monitor is completely useless without accurate max HR since max HR varies between 160-220 on an individual level.
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Start racing hare scrambles. That will teach you about avoiding arm pump and riding more with your legs because when you race for 1.5+ hours you will learn to grip with your legs.
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Everyone is different based on their body type, age, gender and what they want out of it. I ran cross country and track in College so I have a decent amount of knowledge on building up endurance. That said, I'm no expert and likely just a tad above an arm chair expert so take my advise with a grain of salt.

To avoid writing a novel I'll keep it quite brief.

- Pre-Season: Base building. 1 long constant HR workout at a high zone 2 or low zone 3 for the HR. Then mix in 2 days of hard interval training (zone 4) and two days of shorter workout (2 miles on treadmill, etc.) and weights.

- In-Season: Long easy workout after a hard race. This helps flush the muscles so you don't get as sore. I recommend easy biking. Then 1 day of hard interval work, 1 medium threshold, and two days of moderate lifting to maintain.

For me, I prefer my workouts to be on a mountain bike when the weather cooperates. No dodging traffic, it has really good peaks and valleys to work your recovery time, and it's just plain fun. I even do a couple Mtn bike races when there aren't dirt bike things going on.

Doing the above works pretty well for me. I just had my first race this past weekend (Hare Scramble). 2hrs and 2min of racing frozen sand moguls without studs. Average HR of 174. Felt darned good after.
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The only way to be able to ride long motos is to start riding long motos, but only at the pace you can sustain throughout.
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Everyone is different based on their body type, age, gender and what they want out of it. I ran cross country and track in College so...
Everyone is different based on their body type, age, gender and what they want out of it. I ran cross country and track in College so I have a decent amount of knowledge on building up endurance. That said, I'm no expert and likely just a tad above an arm chair expert so take my advise with a grain of salt.

To avoid writing a novel I'll keep it quite brief.

- Pre-Season: Base building. 1 long constant HR workout at a high zone 2 or low zone 3 for the HR. Then mix in 2 days of hard interval training (zone 4) and two days of shorter workout (2 miles on treadmill, etc.) and weights.

- In-Season: Long easy workout after a hard race. This helps flush the muscles so you don't get as sore. I recommend easy biking. Then 1 day of hard interval work, 1 medium threshold, and two days of moderate lifting to maintain.

For me, I prefer my workouts to be on a mountain bike when the weather cooperates. No dodging traffic, it has really good peaks and valleys to work your recovery time, and it's just plain fun. I even do a couple Mtn bike races when there aren't dirt bike things going on.

Doing the above works pretty well for me. I just had my first race this past weekend (Hare Scramble). 2hrs and 2min of racing frozen sand moguls without studs. Average HR of 174. Felt darned good after.
You need to be well within limits for zone 2 for base, not closer than 5bpm from where zone 3 starts. Rather 8bpm.

I try to stay at 135 max, my zone 3 starts at 140. If you run into activating short muscle fibers, it lose its core purpose.

You should hardly feel exhausted when doing base training, not even braking a sweet.
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The easy way to understand the difference between aerobic exercise and anaerobic is simply talking to yourself. If you can carry on a conversation out loud it's aerobic so do lots of that. If you can't talk to yourself at all you're into anaerobic and that won't help endurance so slow down.
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3/2/2022 8:24am Edited Date/Time 3/2/2022 8:25am
Something I think that is getting overlooked; it isn’t always about fitness, as much as it is riding technique and execution.

If you ride flat out at 100% yes you will need to be an Olympic athlete to sustain that pace.

If you learn to get good technique and learn how to pace yourself so youre doing a pace that’s easy physically but still fast, that’s where the real riding IQ comes into play.

Taking smooth lines, leading the bike, being fluid and intentional, flowing, etc.

I can’t run a mile without my heart wanting to explode but can ride 90 minutes at a pace that’s 90+% of my race pace.

I obviously work to improve my fitness too, but your feeling on the bike, your timing, your decisions are more important than fitness in some ways.

Even if you’re in amazing shape, if you take shit lines, are fighting the bike, correcting and off balance etc you’ll be blown up in 2 laps regardless.
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Another vote for good technique. It really helps with the long motos and being able to ride good when you are tired.

To be more specific being smooth with corners and inputs really helps me start to find a “flow” in a longer moto.
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I didn't look through all the answers, most I think suggest cardio which is good, but I'd suggest woods racing, have fun while running 1hr 1/2 races. On the bike conditioning. And maybe pay attention to your sprint speed/vs long term speed don't sprint too close to you max for too long or you will run out your endurance. Caffeine helps me too haha
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Ride more then ride more then ride more

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