How to get a holeshot

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Edited Date/Time 3/12/2022 2:36pm
The question is as simple, but at the same time as hard to do! How to become a great starter in motocross. I've noticed that there are riders who use one leg to stand on, and their other leg is already on the footpeg ready to shift up. Others are both feet at the ground.

Do you start in second gear like most of them, or in third? How do you keep your arm, do you hold your hand and elbow in one straight line upwards so you can give the throttle a swing from the moment the gate drops?

Are you also playing with the clutch till you feel that he's biting and keep it there so you're bike will react faster when you throttle?

Some riders are real hero's in taking holeshots. I remember Mike Brown in his later career, racing with the CAS Honda in the MXGP class and time after time he clinched a great start. Same with Jorge Prado but with him, I don't know if it's technique or also weight advantage.

So the question is easy: What is the ideal technique to get yourself as first out of the gate, towards the first corner.

Edit: The guy on Honda coming from the middle of the pack with the uncharacteristic number 4 is Mike Brown.
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It’sa combo of all the things you said. There’s no secret to it. Good reaction time with the right amount of throttle. Some guys like to have the throttle open more then others and modulate with the clutch. Others will have lower throttle openings and get off the clutch sooner. Then of course you have to be willing to hold it on and stick your nose into the first corner.

I see more of the younger generation going with the one leg on the ground one on the peg technique. I still go with both feet on the ground and make the first shift from 2nd to 3rd with my heel.
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I've always been an OK started, on most bikes, asides from the latest 450s with different maps n starting do dad's... my last few have left me struggling. Most recently my 21crf.. I couldn't buy a start even at the local level.

However! With some practice AND parts, I got great starts at vet fest and then again at a local shindig in a "holeshot challenge" bracket style. I ended up second in that behind a local fast A rider. Actually beat a few other A kids to get that far.

On my 21 I am running map 3 and tc 2. On a last ditch effort, I tested out the holeshot assist thing built into the computer. On a Honda, it just limits the RPMs to a constant. Same thing, every time. Doesn't retard power after the gate drops or anything. Doing this, coupled with the TAMER front AND rear holeshot devices, this thing is a rocket ship that pulls for days with zero wheelie. Neutral body position with head about even with the bars. I watched countless starts and analyzed some fast guys body positions and found neutral to work best for me. We'll tester out at Daytona again this weekend, as long as I'm not found sleeping on the gate.
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Meister, stop by and say hi. I’ll be in one of the Nascar garages. #90 KTM
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First thing you gotta want it....
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mxvet90 wrote:
Meister, stop by and say hi. I’ll be in one of the Nascar garages. #90 KTM
Will do my best! I have a garage as well. 20' plain white box trailer will be parked in front. Also have a campsite but I like the garage vibe for race day!

Anyone else reading what I wrote above, take it for a grain of salt if you wish. Just the take coming from a washed up vet rider who has had a fair amount of gate drops! Been doin this awhile tho and I got way better starts on my 250 2 strokes!
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3/1/2022 7:44pm Edited Date/Time 3/2/2022 8:46am
Confidence
Aggression
Technique

As mentioned above , you have to want it first !
Envision yourself getting the holeshot
Go out and own it
Neutral body position
Both legs down
Modulate throttle/ clutch , don’t just dump the clutch and go wide open right out the gate , smooth transition immediately then hard on the gas a couple feet out

Reaction time is huge but not 100% necessary
Stay hard on the gas all the way to the first turn even if you didn’t get the jump . You still have a great opportunity to steal it as many people shut down wayyy too early

Inside gate is much more important for pros that are so close in speed / skill but not near as important for the Amateur level …. If your gate is not full and everyone is lining up to the inside , go far outside and stay away from all the carnage that inevitably happens , on the inside !

The biggest factor in my experience has always been the confidence and drive to want it .



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3/1/2022 7:59pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2022 7:59pm
I’ve hole shotted 8 out of the 10 races I’ve done recently.. the other two were mid pack starts because I flinched and fucked it all up lol.

Best tip I ever received was squeeze with your thighs, I do not use the launch control on my bike ever.
Also I start with both feet down and as far up on the tank as I can go..last but not least I practiced the McGrath heel shift when going down the start straight and that helps grab another gear slightly quicker than the next guy.. and infinitely quicker than the dudes who still chicken wing shift lol.
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You gotta be the first one to the first turn
3/1/2022 8:29pm
Lots of practice, one thing is for sure.. leading everyone to the first turn is an amazing feeling! Hope you get it.
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3/1/2022 8:35pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2022 8:36pm
Ask Jorge Prado, he may legit be the best starter I’ve ever seen. Every time I watch an MXGP he seems to get the hole shot.
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I can't tell you the technique, but I can tell you some advice that helped my son, when he was still racing PW's. He ended up crashing in the first corner in a huge pile up, that really scared him. After that, I told him, the only way to avoid that again, is to either go through the holeshot first, or last. It must have stuck, because he became really good at starts and insisted on doing start practice, every time we went riding.
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TDeath21 wrote:
You gotta be the first one to the first turn
No you gotta be the first one out of the first turn….

I’ve never agreed with the holeshot line being after the first corner. As a young fella in Australia we always called the holeshot the first into the turn. It was always about getting a good jump, spot on shifts and power.
I remember being confused when I saw my first AMA race and the holeshot line was after the first turn!

Still don’t like it 😂
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Lose a lotta weight.....
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FWI, I have holeshot at Mammoth on a 250 smoker against 450s. Where I race, we start on concrete pads, so it's a little different. Here's what I do:

Both feet on the ground.
Turn the throttle halfway or so and have the clutch barely engaged. The bike is pulling against my calves very slightly.
When the gate drops, lift my toes so there's no resistance.
Fan out the clutch but don't worry so much about beating anybody off the concrete. Be patient, smooth and calculated.
Right when the rear tire hits the dirt, pin the throttle and lean forward, well over the bars. Let her eat. As the bike gains speed and traction, let it slide you to the back of the seat, all while shifting at the right points.


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3/3/2022 5:41am Edited Date/Time 3/3/2022 6:49pm
Up until the first turn its dragracing, motocross starts mid-first turn. I love drag/streetracing, was soso at mx, starts was my game tough… 😄


Look at the pin, when it moves, GO, you wont ever hit the gate!
Dont ”dump” the clutch, if dirt start, keep some slip over the gate bump, shortshift and keep wfo until the other riders get off the gas… 👀👂🏻

Good enough for some vet-mx racing holeshots 😝



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I have found out that the more I practice starts, the more they get into my head and the worse I do. I'm not a great starter and have had maybe 3 holeshots in my entire life, and each time was when I had been the least active in practicing them.
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There are so many different techniques for different size bikes, whether you on dirt or concrete or the latest expanded metal start gates.

I am fat and race a 125 so I HAVE to start in 1st, this means that I have to shift immediately so I have my left foot on the peg, when I raced a 250 I could start in 2nd and keep both feet on the ground, well actually my start blocks. Did I mention that I am short and fat? anyhoo... on concrete starts since traction is limited, my posture is more straight up instead of over the bars to keep as much weight as possible on top of the real wheel, on dirt more over the bars, on expanded metal really over the bars and as far forward as possible since the traction is at a premium.
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Ok, so I’ll give you my secret now that I’m 55 and pretty much out of racing. For what it’s worth, this info is from the mid 80’s when I was racing 250 two strokes so take it with a grain of salt if you will. Anyway, when I was 17, I remember reading in either Dirt Bike or Motocross Action magazine an article on holeshot techniques. Most of the stuff was really common sense that a lot of you have mentioned on here, but what struck my attention was the phrase “3rd fear is the holeshot gear”. They hinted at the fact that typically the first rider to make the shift to third gear, would likely get the holeshot. Now for some reason, I thought by gearing my bike down, I’d naturally have to make the up shift sooner than the others. And being the tight ass I was, it was cheaper to buy a countershaft sprocket than it was to buy the larger rear sprocket. So I dropped my front sprocket 1 tooth. My starting technique was pretty much the same, except the rapid shift to third after crossing the gate. I probably holeshot 90% of the races I entered in 1985 250B class. Now the downside was that the gearing usually wasn’t best suited to the track layout, but I figured it would be easier to learn to ride the track with different gearing if I was already out front vs having ideal gearing for the track and being mid pack. Another side benefit is every turn you exit you will be geared lower than everyone else and will be higher in the powerband and need less clutching. I had a friend who had moved to the 250A class a year prior who rode the same “slow” RM250 and he asked me what I did to my bike, or what I was doing to get hole shots all the time. I caved and told him about the sprocket change. Next time I saw him he only said “holeshot machine” about his bike. I’m not sure how this would work today with the more powerful 450’s but it worked in the 80’s on the two strokes.
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I honestly believe holeshots are 30% bike/tecnique and 70% mental. Especially at amateur level.
I was always a rubbish starter growing up could never get round the first corner any better than mid pack. Never got a holeshot in years of racing.
Anyway I get a wildcard into what was a local schoolboy national event. I wasn’t good enough to be there but I took the opportunity. They announce that for the last race of the day there was a hole shot prize… I’d never been in a race with a prize before. I said to my old man, watch I’m going to win that, what do you know I pulled the holeshot infront of 40 of the fastest kids in the country and I wasn’t even one of the fastest kids in my town.
I dropped off and came like 2nd to the last but goes to show what the right mental attitude will do.
After that I always got top 5 starts because the belief was there and I realised everyone on the line was skin and bones just like me and even if they were much better at riding, we were all as good as one another in a straight line, it’s just who wants to get to the first corner first the most.
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What helped we the most was figuring out the cadence of the guy running the gate. Some gate operators aren't very creative, light on, count, drop the hammer! Don't even look at the gate.
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VetRider97 wrote:
First thing you gotta want it....
I would argue you have to know you’re gonna get it.
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Visualization and commitment work best for me. I generally start in second gear on everything except for an open class bike, then I start in third gear and feed the power in with the clutch. Like a previous post mentioned, getting into third gear as quickly as possible is advantageous.
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Meister wrote:
I've always been an OK started, on most bikes, asides from the latest 450s with different maps n starting do dad's... my last few have left...
I've always been an OK started, on most bikes, asides from the latest 450s with different maps n starting do dad's... my last few have left me struggling. Most recently my 21crf.. I couldn't buy a start even at the local level.

However! With some practice AND parts, I got great starts at vet fest and then again at a local shindig in a "holeshot challenge" bracket style. I ended up second in that behind a local fast A rider. Actually beat a few other A kids to get that far.

On my 21 I am running map 3 and tc 2. On a last ditch effort, I tested out the holeshot assist thing built into the computer. On a Honda, it just limits the RPMs to a constant. Same thing, every time. Doesn't retard power after the gate drops or anything. Doing this, coupled with the TAMER front AND rear holeshot devices, this thing is a rocket ship that pulls for days with zero wheelie. Neutral body position with head about even with the bars. I watched countless starts and analyzed some fast guys body positions and found neutral to work best for me. We'll tester out at Daytona again this weekend, as long as I'm not found sleeping on the gate.
You should get the hole shot with all the stuff on your bike…
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Meister wrote:
I've always been an OK started, on most bikes, asides from the latest 450s with different maps n starting do dad's... my last few have left...
I've always been an OK started, on most bikes, asides from the latest 450s with different maps n starting do dad's... my last few have left me struggling. Most recently my 21crf.. I couldn't buy a start even at the local level.

However! With some practice AND parts, I got great starts at vet fest and then again at a local shindig in a "holeshot challenge" bracket style. I ended up second in that behind a local fast A rider. Actually beat a few other A kids to get that far.

On my 21 I am running map 3 and tc 2. On a last ditch effort, I tested out the holeshot assist thing built into the computer. On a Honda, it just limits the RPMs to a constant. Same thing, every time. Doesn't retard power after the gate drops or anything. Doing this, coupled with the TAMER front AND rear holeshot devices, this thing is a rocket ship that pulls for days with zero wheelie. Neutral body position with head about even with the bars. I watched countless starts and analyzed some fast guys body positions and found neutral to work best for me. We'll tester out at Daytona again this weekend, as long as I'm not found sleeping on the gate.
You should get the hole shot with all the stuff on your bike…
I only have 1 thing more than most, however, I did see quite a few rear devices this year!


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According to Blair, get hurt and lust practice starts when you can’t ride, worked for Robertson…
I’ve always been a pretty good starter. Watched motos before me to figure best area to start and vision myself first in the first corner. Even starting in second gear I start with one foot on the ground and the other under the shifter
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I would ask the guy who thinks he could qualify for the night program at SX. Pretty sure he knows how. :-)
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