Do pro motocross racers get sick more than other athletes?

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It seems like every week there is another guy who has been fighting an illness for the past week. I can't remember who it was that didn't eat or ride all week because of food poisoning. (I'm not even talking about COVID.)

I think they said Cooper Webb was sick at round one.

I hardly ever hear about guys in NFL or MLB being sick.
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Some guys are legitimately sick, like Webb and Zacho in early 2020. Some guys like Roczen have "been a little bit sick" since 2012. Seriously, go back and listen to old Roczen podiums pre-2017 injuries. Not a hater, but Ken uses "sick" as a crutch when he does not win.
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Thinking about it a little more. It could be that motocross racers have nowhere to hide. If they are sick, and only feeling 90%, it will definitely show in their results.

But in team sports, if you are sick and only feeling 90%, your teammates can pick up the slack, and you may not have diminished results.

So it would probably be better to compare motocross to other individual sports where optimal fitness and endurance is critical, and they are competing on a weekly basis for 6+ months per year. I can't even think of another sport that might compare. Maybe Formula 1? But I don't follow that.
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Well , look at it this way. Name any other sport that physically punishes an athlete as much as this one does. None that I can think of. You go through years and years of that , on top of the training they do , it takes a toll on the body. Some guys admit it , some guys don't. Think of it as a " Rare " instance , when a rider doesn't have some kind of an injury. Most on both gates , have some kind of an injury they are dealing with.
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RichieW13 wrote:
Thinking about it a little more. It could be that motocross racers have nowhere to hide. If they are sick, and only feeling 90%, it will...
Thinking about it a little more. It could be that motocross racers have nowhere to hide. If they are sick, and only feeling 90%, it will definitely show in their results.

But in team sports, if you are sick and only feeling 90%, your teammates can pick up the slack, and you may not have diminished results.

So it would probably be better to compare motocross to other individual sports where optimal fitness and endurance is critical, and they are competing on a weekly basis for 6+ months per year. I can't even think of another sport that might compare. Maybe Formula 1? But I don't follow that.
It's almost 10 months Richey. And that's if they decide not to head over seas for Paris and so forth.
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ALL elite cardio athletes get sick easier. For example, elite cyclists are super prone to getting really sick. This has been known for decades. This is why in the pro stage races, UCI races, etc these days, the teams try to keep riders away from the public during events. They have motor homes. The block off private blocks of rooms in hotels. The riders eat together, but are kept away from outsiders.

Being in shape is good for your health. But being an elite cardio/endurance athlete is not something your body was built for. It is too much. Something has to give. The fact that Moto athletes are showing compromised immune systems simply means they are training at the elite level.
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Not to mention there in airports, planes and traveling to all the rounds, then at all the meet and greets at dealer signings and in the pits, there exposure to germs and other contacts with colds/flu’s would be much higher then your average person, add in there high training programs etc
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RichieW13 wrote:
Thinking about it a little more. It could be that motocross racers have nowhere to hide. If they are sick, and only feeling 90%, it will...
Thinking about it a little more. It could be that motocross racers have nowhere to hide. If they are sick, and only feeling 90%, it will definitely show in their results.

But in team sports, if you are sick and only feeling 90%, your teammates can pick up the slack, and you may not have diminished results.

So it would probably be better to compare motocross to other individual sports where optimal fitness and endurance is critical, and they are competing on a weekly basis for 6+ months per year. I can't even think of another sport that might compare. Maybe Formula 1? But I don't follow that.
Really? The difference in relative performance in any motorsport is minimal compared to a human powered sport (running, cycling, swimming, XC Skiing, Rowing, etc). Consider Toronto 2014 when RV was sick with the flu. He still finished what....6th? If an elite cyclist were sick like that, and tried to race, he would be picked up in the broom wagon after an hour. He would not even be able to pretend to compete because ALL of the performance is based on the direct human power output of the body. Moto is a tough tough sport...but the fall on in performance due to physical limitations is nothing like it is in human powered racing sports.
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Some guys are legitimately sick, like Webb and Zacho in early 2020. Some guys like Roczen have "been a little bit sick" since 2012. Seriously, go...
Some guys are legitimately sick, like Webb and Zacho in early 2020. Some guys like Roczen have "been a little bit sick" since 2012. Seriously, go back and listen to old Roczen podiums pre-2017 injuries. Not a hater, but Ken uses "sick" as a crutch when he does not win.
Sound like a hater to me…..
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They probably do not get sick more than other people i just think there is alot of racers, and alot of people play into their entire life, family, freinds, conworkers, goggle guy, gear guy, practice mechanic.

But do i think being behind someone all race running a fuel that has shit in it that can kill you if you inhaled it alot, is probably not a good thing for the riders. And if they are running copper seats, copper dust is terrible for your immune system as a human, and id say 99% of those teams are running a soft valve seat made with copper influence, that makes dust as it gets clapped.

Something to think of, electric bikes may clear some of this up.



People will know what im talking about that have ever been behind someone in a race running leaded fuel with copper valve seats. It has a chemical reaction and causes your shit to start burning, eyes, nose, throat…… alll of it.
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1/23/2022 7:23am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2022 7:25am
They probably do not get sick more than other people i just think there is alot of racers, and alot of people play into their entire...
They probably do not get sick more than other people i just think there is alot of racers, and alot of people play into their entire life, family, freinds, conworkers, goggle guy, gear guy, practice mechanic.

But do i think being behind someone all race running a fuel that has shit in it that can kill you if you inhaled it alot, is probably not a good thing for the riders. And if they are running copper seats, copper dust is terrible for your immune system as a human, and id say 99% of those teams are running a soft valve seat made with copper influence, that makes dust as it gets clapped.

Something to think of, electric bikes may clear some of this up.



People will know what im talking about that have ever been behind someone in a race running leaded fuel with copper valve seats. It has a chemical reaction and causes your shit to start burning, eyes, nose, throat…… alll of it.
Bro, it’s about damn time someone spoke up about copper valve seats. I’ve tried wearing copper bracelets to counteract the ill-effects but copper valve seats are just too powerful. Maybe I’ll try crystals next.
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I've never heard of so many athletes getting "food poisoning" before in my life, ever. Most of the time when your avg person has food poisoning-like symptoms, its really gall stones in your gall bladder causing the same symptoms that feel like food poisoning. A friend of mine recently said it was food poisoning when he ate biscuits and gravy. I said, LOL, no go get your gall bladder checked.....

But these guys normally eat really clean, so I have no idea what the whole food poisoning thing is. It baffles me.

I don't think I've had food poisoning ever in my life, and I eat sushi, rare red meat, etc. all the time.
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RichieW13 wrote:
Thinking about it a little more. It could be that motocross racers have nowhere to hide. If they are sick, and only feeling 90%, it will...
Thinking about it a little more. It could be that motocross racers have nowhere to hide. If they are sick, and only feeling 90%, it will definitely show in their results.

But in team sports, if you are sick and only feeling 90%, your teammates can pick up the slack, and you may not have diminished results.

So it would probably be better to compare motocross to other individual sports where optimal fitness and endurance is critical, and they are competing on a weekly basis for 6+ months per year. I can't even think of another sport that might compare. Maybe Formula 1? But I don't follow that.
also in team sports there is always somebody who play your position and you cant be "sick" for half the year to skip the games in places you dont like (nationals)
1/23/2022 8:59am
I’ve never understood why this is such a mystery to everyone. I even remember Weege wrote some piece about how all these guys get sick because they are high strung, elite athletes that have to eat at different places all the time and their body’s are in such a delicate equilibrium that they get thrown into gastrointestinal chaos. Except other athletes are super fit and have to eat various foods around the world and don’t get sick. Why? Because of what they’re not eating.

Fucking dirt.

These guys go on a dirt taste test tour of the entire country from January through September and we’re scratching our heads at the occasional “flu-like symptoms” (really, that’s PR speak for I had explosive diarrhea all week or I threw up every meal I ate for 2 days). It’s a wonder they aren’t sick every week.

If you get roosted, dirt is going in your mouth and sinuses, and eventually your stomach. It’s just part of the sport.


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1/23/2022 9:41am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2022 9:42am
Top level pros are on the ragged edge of over training. Maybe people getting sick is the first sign of over training. We've seen it for years. We see people leave the Baker Factory after a couple years. Why? What do riders say that don't win or maybe had a lead and faded? "I'll have to work harder this week". What does that get them in a week? Coach Robb Beams said on the Whiskey Throttle Show the first thing he would do, paraphrasing here, is get more food and rest for an elite rider. Maybe there is something to that.
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Top level pros are on the ragged edge of over training. Maybe people getting sick is the first sign of over training. We've seen it for...
Top level pros are on the ragged edge of over training. Maybe people getting sick is the first sign of over training. We've seen it for years. We see people leave the Baker Factory after a couple years. Why? What do riders say that don't win or maybe had a lead and faded? "I'll have to work harder this week". What does that get them in a week? Coach Robb Beams said on the Whiskey Throttle Show the first thing he would do, paraphrasing here, is get more food and rest for an elite rider. Maybe there is something to that.
You're right! I rarely Moto now, but I road cycle, a lot.
I have power meters, Garmin Fenix watch, Garmin 1030+, I use the Garmin connect app and analyse all the metrics I can. (I enjoy it)

Now, Im aware Im not an elite level athlete, and im aware this data ive got may not be the most intricate system ever.
But.... with seven years of data and experience I can see exactly what is working, not working, when im fatigued, rested, on form, off form, I can see if my training load is low, high, ideal, I can see if im getting enough or too much anaerobic exercise & enough or too little low aerobic exercise, I can see if im sleeping enough- the data is plentiful and most of all, I feel the effects of making adjustments if I can see something is off.

I struggle to believe these pro riders and their trainers are not analysing these numbers with a closer eye than I am, so WHY does it appear they are training themselves in to illness and even EBV.
I know even for me, that If I have an easier week, what I give up in 'fitness' numbers, I certainly gain back with 'freshness. Freshness in the muscles and freshness in the mind more importantly.

I agree with Rob Beams.
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TrailMaker wrote:
ALL elite cardio athletes get sick easier. For example, elite cyclists are super prone to getting really sick. This has been known for decades. This is...
ALL elite cardio athletes get sick easier. For example, elite cyclists are super prone to getting really sick. This has been known for decades. This is why in the pro stage races, UCI races, etc these days, the teams try to keep riders away from the public during events. They have motor homes. The block off private blocks of rooms in hotels. The riders eat together, but are kept away from outsiders.

Being in shape is good for your health. But being an elite cardio/endurance athlete is not something your body was built for. It is too much. Something has to give. The fact that Moto athletes are showing compromised immune systems simply means they are training at the elite level.
No they don’t and they not always sick.

This is a fact.

Yes some athletes are prone to it but this is mainly around balancing training and recovery correctly.

Not sure where you got your info from on World Tour. But I will help you correct it:

You not allowed motor homes, there are team buses and these are used for transport or riders to and from hotels to the start and transfers during Stage races. They have showers in them etc so riders can recover quicker post stage.

They are not withheld from public.

The hotels are booked by the organisers of the events and races, multiple teams will share a hotel so when 4 teams of for example 40 staff are at a hotel the hotel is pretty full. There isn’t a lot of space for public.

We eat alone or with team cause it’s how things are done. It’s tradition as it’s a unified group. However across the table is often the other team.

Travel - how do you think riders get to races? They fly so they constantly at airports and on planes.

Just cause a motocross rider is sick doesn’t mean that is cause they training at a elite level, it’s means load and recovery is often wrong and they in a overreached or acute state of fatigue and not allowing adaptation from load to happen.

Motocross in general is probably one of the most un scientific approach training in sport. As advanced as the bike tech is and goes, training does not follow.

Appologies for pissing on your post but corrections needed to be made.
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Not to mention there in airports, planes and traveling to all the rounds, then at all the meet and greets at dealer signings and in the...
Not to mention there in airports, planes and traveling to all the rounds, then at all the meet and greets at dealer signings and in the pits, there exposure to germs and other contacts with colds/flu’s would be much higher then your average person, add in there high training programs etc
All pro level athletes travel by plane, mx is no special case of this
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1/23/2022 10:43am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2022 10:45am
EBV is such a common used word in USA MX when the rider hasn’t actually got the active virus. Why does USA have such a high number of cases but Europe does not? Don’t say cause the of schedule.

Athlete is fatigued - but claims EBV and has bloods done.

EBV is often dormant and not active and yes shows up in a report cause it will for the rest of their natural life but isn’t effected at all.

The amount of times I’ve been given blood reports to comment by riders and trainers in USA - cause they cannot read results - and there is a negative but then you read in news they have it cause they over done and cannot get results.

Main concern is that as I have said training balance is not correct this leads to reduced ferritin, Iron and so forth levels but all that is needed is correct diet, rest and they good to go.

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They fly to and from every race.

How many people are in and out of that hauler, and how many of the crew spend their nights in bars?

They tend to date from a limited pool of Pit Tootsies. (BMXA reference there)

Plus everything already mentioned.
1/23/2022 11:09am
TrailMaker wrote:
ALL elite cardio athletes get sick easier. For example, elite cyclists are super prone to getting really sick. This has been known for decades. This is...
ALL elite cardio athletes get sick easier. For example, elite cyclists are super prone to getting really sick. This has been known for decades. This is why in the pro stage races, UCI races, etc these days, the teams try to keep riders away from the public during events. They have motor homes. The block off private blocks of rooms in hotels. The riders eat together, but are kept away from outsiders.

Being in shape is good for your health. But being an elite cardio/endurance athlete is not something your body was built for. It is too much. Something has to give. The fact that Moto athletes are showing compromised immune systems simply means they are training at the elite level.
This is the primary reason why I've decided not to become an elite cardio/endurance athlete.
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Simple answer is yes, ands it been that way for a long time. Everything about this sport is taxing to the body, training, racing, and traveling every week in a bubble of recirculating air with sick people.

Another huge contributor that most don’t know, and it hasn’t been mentioned in years, is the dust that they continuously breath is pretty polluted from bikes constantly being on it.
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They probably do not get sick more than other people i just think there is alot of racers, and alot of people play into their entire...
They probably do not get sick more than other people i just think there is alot of racers, and alot of people play into their entire life, family, freinds, conworkers, goggle guy, gear guy, practice mechanic.

But do i think being behind someone all race running a fuel that has shit in it that can kill you if you inhaled it alot, is probably not a good thing for the riders. And if they are running copper seats, copper dust is terrible for your immune system as a human, and id say 99% of those teams are running a soft valve seat made with copper influence, that makes dust as it gets clapped.

Something to think of, electric bikes may clear some of this up.



People will know what im talking about that have ever been behind someone in a race running leaded fuel with copper valve seats. It has a chemical reaction and causes your shit to start burning, eyes, nose, throat…… alll of it.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Simple answer is yes, ands it been that way for a long time. Everything about this sport is taxing to the body, training, racing, and traveling...
Simple answer is yes, ands it been that way for a long time. Everything about this sport is taxing to the body, training, racing, and traveling every week in a bubble of recirculating air with sick people.

Another huge contributor that most don’t know, and it hasn’t been mentioned in years, is the dust that they continuously breath is pretty polluted from bikes constantly being on it.
No its all due to copper valve seats. Just ask Austin Laughing But electric bikes will cure all that.
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Riding, racing and training with injuries word be mega taxing. Exhaust fumes I have no doubt would mess with you.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Simple answer is yes, ands it been that way for a long time. Everything about this sport is taxing to the body, training, racing, and traveling...
Simple answer is yes, ands it been that way for a long time. Everything about this sport is taxing to the body, training, racing, and traveling every week in a bubble of recirculating air with sick people.

Another huge contributor that most don’t know, and it hasn’t been mentioned in years, is the dust that they continuously breath is pretty polluted from bikes constantly being on it.
Spot on my man!
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TrailMaker wrote:
ALL elite cardio athletes get sick easier. For example, elite cyclists are super prone to getting really sick. This has been known for decades. This is...
ALL elite cardio athletes get sick easier. For example, elite cyclists are super prone to getting really sick. This has been known for decades. This is why in the pro stage races, UCI races, etc these days, the teams try to keep riders away from the public during events. They have motor homes. The block off private blocks of rooms in hotels. The riders eat together, but are kept away from outsiders.

Being in shape is good for your health. But being an elite cardio/endurance athlete is not something your body was built for. It is too much. Something has to give. The fact that Moto athletes are showing compromised immune systems simply means they are training at the elite level.
This is absolutely correct. They are more vulnerable to getting sick when you train as much as they do. That plus all the traveling they do it makes sense
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Watch this past week's Swapmoto "how was your night" videos and see how many times guys touch their noses and face with their hands. I'm not even talking about COVID, but a good habit to learn as an athlete is how to avoid touching your eyes, nose and face with dirty hands.

Regarding cycling, I raced at an elite level for 20 years on the road. Yes, cyclists get sick a bit more than the average person. A rolling peloton is quite a little incubator, there is a lot of snot and spit flying and this can even be the source of some post-race dust-ups. Also, racing on the road in the rain, you are literally ingesting whatever is on the road. I remember doing an early season race in the rain and a farmer had moved his flock of sheep from one side to another, the road was literally covered in sheep fur and shit. Another time, a cyclocross race in Vancouver where the course was covered in goose shit and it was raining. A legendary MTB race in Squamish one year had massive amounts of riders afflicted with Giardia post-race. Sick
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Flying public like the racers do vs private like the NFL doesn't help I am sure.
1/24/2022 11:25am
It's not just moto, but those of us that have ran/trained for marathons/ultra marathons/olympic distance triathlons know about the so called "training flu." Here is a great paper on the susceptibility of high endurance athletes and falling to respiratory infections or other ailments. Basically in a nut shell, your body is immunosuppressed after so called "extraneous" exercise (IE, a 20 min + 1 'moto' on the practice track on a Tuesday), and that window can invite for your body to get sick. The length or how wide that window is specific to each person. I would argue most elite supercross/motocross athletes would fall under the category of potentially "most susceptible" given the cardio demand, at least for supercross.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7165523/
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Being sicky,Sick never bothered Ron Lachien....Just sayin....
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