Mike alessi crash today?

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11/12/2021 7:02pm
I think Alessi gets a lot of bad press that he doesn't really deserve. At one point in his career the dude was unbeatable. I mean lightening, gets the holeshot then "latero bitches". After that bad crash he had, he didn't seem to have the edge again. Ya gotta admit, Mike Alessi is the undisputed holeshot king!
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Mike definitely saw the guy up ahead, but probably didn't know the 2nd gate was 50+ 125 2-strokes and wasn't expecting the lapped rider to be...
Mike definitely saw the guy up ahead, but probably didn't know the 2nd gate was 50+ 125 2-strokes and wasn't expecting the lapped rider to be going so slow in the middle of the track (watch the video again, the guy didn't merge into the main line, he was in the main line the entire time). Mike's been racing long enough at a high level to expect someone riding in the main line to be riding at a decent speed (once again, he probably didn't know the 2nd gate was a class so much slower), so I'm sure it caught him off guard.
Because clearly, the guy was only going slow because he was in a slower class.
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11/14/2021 8:17pm
BobPA wrote:
That is a pretty shit thing to say.
We’ll, that came out the wrong way. I should have just said “What’s the update on the injured rider?” We care about Alessi, duh. But at the moment, I care more about the injured rider. My bad.
11/16/2021 12:07pm
Pauliemon wrote:
I think Alessi gets a lot of bad press that he doesn't really deserve. At one point in his career the dude was unbeatable. I mean...
I think Alessi gets a lot of bad press that he doesn't really deserve. At one point in his career the dude was unbeatable. I mean lightening, gets the holeshot then "latero bitches". After that bad crash he had, he didn't seem to have the edge again. Ya gotta admit, Mike Alessi is the undisputed holeshot king!
Bro...he was only "unbeatable" on minis. Then RV made everyone forget Alessi was even racing the Pros at the same time.
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How in the heck did Alessi not see this guy? Here are some screen grabs. I hate to Monday morning quarterback, but wow.



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11/16/2021 12:22pm
Moto Nomad wrote:
How in the heck did Alessi not see this guy? Here are some screen grabs. I hate to Monday morning quarterback, but wow. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518619/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120839.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518620/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120918.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518618/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120949.jpg[/img]
How in the heck did Alessi not see this guy? Here are some screen grabs. I hate to Monday morning quarterback, but wow.



"Seeing" him and recognizing the lack of speed the guy was running is 2 completely separate things. By the time Mike realized the other guy was crawling , he probably was already in the air and couldn't correct his line.

Sorry, but I find Mike completely faultless on this. However, based on the fact that I wasn't there to witness the incident in person---what do I know......

Wishing all the best to the injured racer
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11/16/2021 12:51pm
Moto Nomad wrote:
How in the heck did Alessi not see this guy? Here are some screen grabs. I hate to Monday morning quarterback, but wow. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518619/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120839.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518620/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120918.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518618/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120949.jpg[/img]
How in the heck did Alessi not see this guy? Here are some screen grabs. I hate to Monday morning quarterback, but wow.



OldPro277 wrote:
"Seeing" him and recognizing the lack of speed the guy was running is 2 completely separate things. By the time Mike realized the other guy was...
"Seeing" him and recognizing the lack of speed the guy was running is 2 completely separate things. By the time Mike realized the other guy was crawling , he probably was already in the air and couldn't correct his line.

Sorry, but I find Mike completely faultless on this. However, based on the fact that I wasn't there to witness the incident in person---what do I know......

Wishing all the best to the injured racer
I suppose, but still, who follows right behind a guy over a jump when he should be aware there were slower riders out there? Like the guy he blew past in the turn before this. You would think Alessi would know better than to just plow into a guy in front of him. Anyhow, I'll reserve judgement because I wasn't on the track.
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11/16/2021 1:05pm
Moto Nomad wrote:
How in the heck did Alessi not see this guy? Here are some screen grabs. I hate to Monday morning quarterback, but wow. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518619/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120839.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518620/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120918.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518618/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120949.jpg[/img]
How in the heck did Alessi not see this guy? Here are some screen grabs. I hate to Monday morning quarterback, but wow.



After seeing these screenshots, I take back the doubt I gave Alessi about looking into the Sun. This guy is clear as day in front of him and obviously going slow up the jump face. Alessi is now 100% at fault in my eyes. The promoters shouldn't have had that 125 class out there with them, BUT Alessi knows he's coming up on slow riders and he always looks ahead. So what happened this time? Is he blind? Unbelievable.
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11/16/2021 1:12pm
Moto Nomad wrote:
How in the heck did Alessi not see this guy? Here are some screen grabs. I hate to Monday morning quarterback, but wow. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518619/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120839.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518620/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120918.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518618/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120949.jpg[/img]
How in the heck did Alessi not see this guy? Here are some screen grabs. I hate to Monday morning quarterback, but wow.



Rosso391 wrote:
After seeing these screenshots, I take back the doubt I gave Alessi about looking into the Sun. This guy is clear as day in front of...
After seeing these screenshots, I take back the doubt I gave Alessi about looking into the Sun. This guy is clear as day in front of him and obviously going slow up the jump face. Alessi is now 100% at fault in my eyes. The promoters shouldn't have had that 125 class out there with them, BUT Alessi knows he's coming up on slow riders and he always looks ahead. So what happened this time? Is he blind? Unbelievable.
Mike was landing from the 1st jump, while the landed on guy(Scott?) was taking off of the next jump standing up...... how would mike know Scott would slow all the way down to sitting and waiving to people on the landing of a table????
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In the screen grabs, was he getting the lapper flag? Was he trying to move out of the race line because of this?

Also to me, it doesn't look like he was waving, more like putting his hand up in a "what is going on" type of manner?

Hoping Scott makes a speedy recovery
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11/16/2021 1:56pm
Moto Nomad wrote:
How in the heck did Alessi not see this guy? Here are some screen grabs. I hate to Monday morning quarterback, but wow. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518619/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120839.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518620/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120918.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/16/518618/s1200_Screenshot_2021_11_16_120949.jpg[/img]
How in the heck did Alessi not see this guy? Here are some screen grabs. I hate to Monday morning quarterback, but wow.



Rosso391 wrote:
After seeing these screenshots, I take back the doubt I gave Alessi about looking into the Sun. This guy is clear as day in front of...
After seeing these screenshots, I take back the doubt I gave Alessi about looking into the Sun. This guy is clear as day in front of him and obviously going slow up the jump face. Alessi is now 100% at fault in my eyes. The promoters shouldn't have had that 125 class out there with them, BUT Alessi knows he's coming up on slow riders and he always looks ahead. So what happened this time? Is he blind? Unbelievable.
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Mike was landing from the 1st jump, while the landed on guy(Scott?) was taking off of the next jump standing up...... how would mike know Scott...
Mike was landing from the 1st jump, while the landed on guy(Scott?) was taking off of the next jump standing up...... how would mike know Scott would slow all the way down to sitting and waiving to people on the landing of a table????
I don't think the other rider was waving to people- you can see he got the blue flag, he was holding his hand up (standard lapper signal) and going to the side, which is pretty much what you're supposed to do. Not trying to indict Alessi here, just a bit confused as to how he just plowed into this dude.
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If you jump on me while I'm waving you by were gonna have a fucking problem
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If you jump on me while I'm waving you by were gonna have a fucking problem
you mean after you wake up? or right away?
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UGOTBIT wrote:
In the screen grabs, was he getting the lapper flag? Was he trying to move out of the race line because of this? Also to me...
In the screen grabs, was he getting the lapper flag? Was he trying to move out of the race line because of this?

Also to me, it doesn't look like he was waving, more like putting his hand up in a "what is going on" type of manner?

Hoping Scott makes a speedy recovery
Yeah, by all accounts from people that I know that saw it in real time, he wasn’t waving at people in the stands, he was waving to signal that he was pulling off of the track. Just like we all do or should do. Dude is no beginner, give him the benefit of the doubt. He unfortunately veered to the left (to exit) after 800 was already committed and had nowhere to go. Shit happens.


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11/16/2021 9:18pm
Unfortunate accident for All.....and a simple solution:

If you stop racing during a race, get off the track quickly in a safe spot.
Exiting track on a fast straight with jumps is not safe or smart.
Veering from the slow line into the fast main line when exiting is dangerous.

Not MA800's fault.
Race promoters need to do a better job organizing and managing the race classes/speeds per Gate.
Prayers for a speedy recovery to the fallen rider.
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11/16/2021 9:48pm Edited Date/Time 11/17/2021 11:36am
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I suppose, but still, who follows right behind a guy over a jump when he should be aware there were slower riders out there? Like the...
I suppose, but still, who follows right behind a guy over a jump when he should be aware there were slower riders out there? Like the guy he blew past in the turn before this. You would think Alessi would know better than to just plow into a guy in front of him. Anyhow, I'll reserve judgement because I wasn't on the track.
You sure are passing a lot of judgment for someone who is reserving judgement because he wasn't there.
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Are we seriously at the point where we’re trying to analyze if the Vet C rider is to blame or Mike Alessi? Jesus Christ it is clearly the off season…
Shit happens, Mike was going Mach 9, the guy moved over slightly. If you put Eli Tomac in C rider lap traffic full speed id imagine shit will happen.
How many vital members does it take to see if it was the Vet riders fault or the successful A caliber pro?

Hope our Vet friend heals up quick, it doesn’t matter if he’s to blame or not they should have split up the skill levels better and this could have been avoided.
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11/17/2021 4:59am Edited Date/Time 11/17/2021 5:16am
dedi684 wrote:
If you jump on me while I'm waving you by were gonna have a fucking problem
Forty wrote:
you mean after you wake up? or right away?
If not today then tomorrow. Like i tell all my friends who never raced but have kids that race now, im still here....
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Are we seriously at the point where we’re trying to analyze if the Vet C rider is to blame or Mike Alessi? Jesus Christ it is...
Are we seriously at the point where we’re trying to analyze if the Vet C rider is to blame or Mike Alessi? Jesus Christ it is clearly the off season…
Shit happens, Mike was going Mach 9, the guy moved over slightly. If you put Eli Tomac in C rider lap traffic full speed id imagine shit will happen.
How many vital members does it take to see if it was the Vet riders fault or the successful A caliber pro?

Hope our Vet friend heals up quick, it doesn’t matter if he’s to blame or not they should have split up the skill levels better and this could have been avoided.
Snap back to reality, ope there goes gravity.

Listen, did you know a PRO rider is supposed to have more track awareness than a C rider? Now you do.
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I think they were both in “pro” classes.
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Unfortunate accident for All.....and a simple solution: If you stop racing during a race, get off the track quickly in a safe spot. Exiting track on...
Unfortunate accident for All.....and a simple solution:

If you stop racing during a race, get off the track quickly in a safe spot.
Exiting track on a fast straight with jumps is not safe or smart.
Veering from the slow line into the fast main line when exiting is dangerous.

Not MA800's fault.
Race promoters need to do a better job organizing and managing the race classes/speeds per Gate.
Prayers for a speedy recovery to the fallen rider.
Isn't that where the track exit was? After the tabletop in the middle of the lane?
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11/17/2021 9:02am
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I think they were both in “pro” classes.
They were. I'm just using his words against him.
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11/17/2021 11:35am
Raising your hand to indicate you are slowing down and potentially leaving the track to those behind you is written in most rule books for road racing and taught during the class to obtain your racing license. Very common sight in motogp, BSB, etc, especially during qualifying.

I suspect it was probably written in some Mx/off-road rule book at some point because a bunch of the over 50 crowd we ride now with do the same thing.

Looking at the rear angle, even being at warp speed there is no way he shouldn’t have seen the rider. Most likely just misjudged the closing speed and didn’t recognize a hand up is him indicating he has slowed.

Given the stories I have seen on here around Glen Helen on open practice days and pros involved in incidents it isn’t much of a surprise unfortunately. The speed difference is mind blowing.
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Raising your hand to indicate you are slowing down and potentially leaving the track to those behind you is written in most rule books for road...
Raising your hand to indicate you are slowing down and potentially leaving the track to those behind you is written in most rule books for road racing and taught during the class to obtain your racing license. Very common sight in motogp, BSB, etc, especially during qualifying.

I suspect it was probably written in some Mx/off-road rule book at some point because a bunch of the over 50 crowd we ride now with do the same thing.

Looking at the rear angle, even being at warp speed there is no way he shouldn’t have seen the rider. Most likely just misjudged the closing speed and didn’t recognize a hand up is him indicating he has slowed.

Given the stories I have seen on here around Glen Helen on open practice days and pros involved in incidents it isn’t much of a surprise unfortunately. The speed difference is mind blowing.
Again--the hand doesn't even go up until MA has already launched. Surely anyone here that has raced has closed on someone a helluva lot quicker than they anticipated. After all ,Moto bikes do NOT have brake lights, lol. And in this case if Mike was going at "speed 10" and it appears that the Vet guy went from "speed 5" to "speed 2" in about a 100 foot stretch, it was a recipe for the disaster that happened .
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Raising your hand to indicate you are slowing down and potentially leaving the track to those behind you is written in most rule books for road...
Raising your hand to indicate you are slowing down and potentially leaving the track to those behind you is written in most rule books for road racing and taught during the class to obtain your racing license. Very common sight in motogp, BSB, etc, especially during qualifying.

I suspect it was probably written in some Mx/off-road rule book at some point because a bunch of the over 50 crowd we ride now with do the same thing.

Looking at the rear angle, even being at warp speed there is no way he shouldn’t have seen the rider. Most likely just misjudged the closing speed and didn’t recognize a hand up is him indicating he has slowed.

Given the stories I have seen on here around Glen Helen on open practice days and pros involved in incidents it isn’t much of a surprise unfortunately. The speed difference is mind blowing.
OldPro277 wrote:
Again--the hand doesn't even go up until MA has already launched. Surely anyone here that has raced has closed on someone a helluva lot quicker than...
Again--the hand doesn't even go up until MA has already launched. Surely anyone here that has raced has closed on someone a helluva lot quicker than they anticipated. After all ,Moto bikes do NOT have brake lights, lol. And in this case if Mike was going at "speed 10" and it appears that the Vet guy went from "speed 5" to "speed 2" in about a 100 foot stretch, it was a recipe for the disaster that happened .
Looks like that’s the case, hand up when Mike is in the air. Agreed.

Don’t agree with giving a pro a pass when landing on someone they could clearly see just because of the speed difference. He is lapping him on what, lap 2,3?? Where is his awareness of surroundings? Going fast isn’t staring at your front fender.
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11/17/2021 12:13pm
Looks like that’s the case, hand up when Mike is in the air. Agreed. Don’t agree with giving a pro a pass when landing on someone...
Looks like that’s the case, hand up when Mike is in the air. Agreed.

Don’t agree with giving a pro a pass when landing on someone they could clearly see just because of the speed difference. He is lapping him on what, lap 2,3?? Where is his awareness of surroundings? Going fast isn’t staring at your front fender.
My thoughts exactly. He should be looking ahead like a normal Pro.
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11/17/2021 12:14pm
Raising your hand to indicate you are slowing down and potentially leaving the track to those behind you is written in most rule books for road...
Raising your hand to indicate you are slowing down and potentially leaving the track to those behind you is written in most rule books for road racing and taught during the class to obtain your racing license. Very common sight in motogp, BSB, etc, especially during qualifying.

I suspect it was probably written in some Mx/off-road rule book at some point because a bunch of the over 50 crowd we ride now with do the same thing.

Looking at the rear angle, even being at warp speed there is no way he shouldn’t have seen the rider. Most likely just misjudged the closing speed and didn’t recognize a hand up is him indicating he has slowed.

Given the stories I have seen on here around Glen Helen on open practice days and pros involved in incidents it isn’t much of a surprise unfortunately. The speed difference is mind blowing.
OldPro277 wrote:
Again--the hand doesn't even go up until MA has already launched. Surely anyone here that has raced has closed on someone a helluva lot quicker than...
Again--the hand doesn't even go up until MA has already launched. Surely anyone here that has raced has closed on someone a helluva lot quicker than they anticipated. After all ,Moto bikes do NOT have brake lights, lol. And in this case if Mike was going at "speed 10" and it appears that the Vet guy went from "speed 5" to "speed 2" in about a 100 foot stretch, it was a recipe for the disaster that happened .
I don't see any scenario where Mike drifting left into the slower rider's line would not have, at minimum been a close call. Mike was all the way to the far right, and landed on the rider left of center.
The rider was in plain site. The rider held his line.
No one is perfect. This one is on Mike.
He should own it, and apologize.
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11/21/2021 11:24am Edited Date/Time 11/21/2021 11:31am
This crash was super scary and unfortunate. Clearly two major issues:

1. The circumstances that would allow this to take place never should have been allowed in the first place. This was definitely a planning problem, and this is the majority of the responsibility. I don't think it needs much additional commentary b/c there is little nuance here. And, hopefully the organizers will not allow these circumstances again.

2. Alessi probably did what many other riders would have also done. So, he's not really at fault. He was doing what he's been trained to do and what was expected of him. Having said that, it's highly likely he saw what was ahead of him and knew he had a potentially dangerous decision to make and rather than play it safe and lose a second or so, he continued to ride hard. This is not out of character for him; we all know his history of crashes. He's been described as unlucky, but lucky is usually no more than the Murphy's law. If you're slightly more risky, you get hurt slightly more often. I don't see someone highly conscientious like AJ Catanzaro ever hitting this guy. FWIW I was on the elsinore vet track with Alessi just a couple weeks ago. It was both amazing and terrifying. He is just so freaking fast and I really felt like an obstacle and unsafe. Having ultra-fast riders blow past you and cut you off at unexpected angles while you "hold your line" isn't safe just b/c their pros. We don't really belong on the same tracks if they're not willing to slow.
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Any word on the injured rider’s progress?
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mx196 wrote:
Are we seriously at the point where we’re trying to analyze if the Vet C rider is to blame or Mike Alessi? Jesus Christ it is...
Are we seriously at the point where we’re trying to analyze if the Vet C rider is to blame or Mike Alessi? Jesus Christ it is clearly the off season…
Shit happens, Mike was going Mach 9, the guy moved over slightly. If you put Eli Tomac in C rider lap traffic full speed id imagine shit will happen.
How many vital members does it take to see if it was the Vet riders fault or the successful A caliber pro?

Hope our Vet friend heals up quick, it doesn’t matter if he’s to blame or not they should have split up the skill levels better and this could have been avoided.
Rosso391 wrote:
Snap back to reality, ope there goes gravity. Listen, did you know a PRO rider is supposed to have more track awareness than a C rider...
Snap back to reality, ope there goes gravity.

Listen, did you know a PRO rider is supposed to have more track awareness than a C rider? Now you do.
Awesome Eminem song lyric quote dork
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