I think the top 3 on the MXGP circuit could quite possibly come

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I’d say Dylan would have something to say but outside of him yeah, they look like a whole different class right now.
JMX82 wrote:
What about Roczen, Musquin, Lawrence brothers...
Against the three best 450 guys from the GP’s? Kenny pre-injury would probably be right there with anyone over the course of a season. As it is, Eli has obviously slipped, Kenny has health issues, and as much as I like Marv he isn’t beating those guys consistently imo. The Lawrence brothers are still young. Time will tell with them.
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At certain tracks, no doubt Herlings, Febvre, Gajser, could be the podium. Every weekend? I think Tomac, Roczen and Ferrandis would have something to say about...
At certain tracks, no doubt Herlings, Febvre, Gajser, could be the podium.
Every weekend? I think Tomac, Roczen and Ferrandis would have something to say about that.
Roczen and Ferrandis aren't American.
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Are there any BobbyM groupies still out there? Someone tell him the 70's are over.
Howabout the early 80's?
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The top MXGP riders seem to crash a bit more than our guys, which is testament to rougher tracks, or that they are hanging it out a bit more.

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They race motocross on the MXGP circuit. Forget about SX in this case since they don't have a SX circuit to race. Not sure if most of you circle jerks don't realize they are two totally different genres. I'm talking MX.
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could they do it on US spec bike?
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Falcon it’s the MX Sports Series. The racers from the GP’s practice and qualifying motos on Saturday and most any of them could top ten with only one day of pounding versus 2. The outdoors have been dumbed down with smoother tracks and not near as much technical stuff.
I grew up with a dry, slick and sometimes rocky Saddleback, a muddy half day or less then concrete slick Carlsbad where you had to rail the outside to stay up. Now we can’t ride unless it ripped and watered and fluffed up like a horse race track. Evolution they call it.
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Boomslang 11/11/2021 7:52pm
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MyBobbym wrote:
They race motocross on the MXGP circuit. Forget about SX in this case since they don't have a SX circuit to race. Not sure if most...
They race motocross on the MXGP circuit. Forget about SX in this case since they don't have a SX circuit to race. Not sure if most of you circle jerks don't realize they are two totally different genres. I'm talking MX.
We know you are talking MX bud, nevertheless, here are three things one needs to consider....MXGP has 18 rounds and months to test setup. They also can do more to their bikes without the production rule. This surely gives them an advantage. No?
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We know you are talking MX bud, nevertheless, here are three things one needs to consider....MXGP has 18 rounds and months to test setup. They also...
We know you are talking MX bud, nevertheless, here are three things one needs to consider....MXGP has 18 rounds and months to test setup. They also can do more to their bikes without the production rule. This surely gives them an advantage. No?
That’s two things. Smile
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We know you are talking MX bud, nevertheless, here are three things one needs to consider....MXGP has 18 rounds and months to test setup. They also...
We know you are talking MX bud, nevertheless, here are three things one needs to consider....MXGP has 18 rounds and months to test setup. They also can do more to their bikes without the production rule. This surely gives them an advantage. No?
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That’s two things. Smile
NopeWhistling

1.18 rounds
2. Months more (than US) to test outdoor setup
3. No production rule - more freedom to develop their bikes.

Correct me if I'm wrong...I can take a kick in the ol bean bag.
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Boomslang wrote:
We know you are talking MX bud, nevertheless, here are three things one needs to consider....MXGP has 18 rounds and months to test setup. They also...
We know you are talking MX bud, nevertheless, here are three things one needs to consider....MXGP has 18 rounds and months to test setup. They also can do more to their bikes without the production rule. This surely gives them an advantage. No?
Spudnut wrote:
That’s two things. Smile
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Nope:whistle: 1.18 rounds 2. Months more (than US) to test outdoor setup 3. No production rule - more freedom to develop their bikes. Correct me if...
NopeWhistling

1.18 rounds
2. Months more (than US) to test outdoor setup
3. No production rule - more freedom to develop their bikes.

Correct me if I'm wrong...I can take a kick in the ol bean bag.
Ope. nope. I have won the coin toss and will be receiving the kick (in the ole bean bag). Cheerful
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Spudnut 11/11/2021 9:15pm
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I do agree. The American series is much more “run and gun” with scheduling
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Spudnut wrote:
That’s two things. Smile
Boomslang wrote:
Nope:whistle: 1.18 rounds 2. Months more (than US) to test outdoor setup 3. No production rule - more freedom to develop their bikes. Correct me if...
NopeWhistling

1.18 rounds
2. Months more (than US) to test outdoor setup
3. No production rule - more freedom to develop their bikes.

Correct me if I'm wrong...I can take a kick in the ol bean bag.
Spudnut wrote:
Ope. nope. I have won the coin toss and will be receiving the kick (in the ole bean bag). Cheerful
SpudNutsack.
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Poppanator 11/11/2021 10:56pm
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Have people forgotten that one of those guys went over a couple of years ago and won both motos on a borrowed bike with hardly any prep?
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Have people forgotten that one of those guys went over a couple of years ago and won both motos on a borrowed bike with hardly any...
Have people forgotten that one of those guys went over a couple of years ago and won both motos on a borrowed bike with hardly any prep?
My thoughts on the matter, as for SX most of the best riders seem to be the best riders outdoors as well but for some reason top guys from Europe would struggle. I’m calling BS on that one
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Are there any BobbyM groupies still out there? Someone tell him the 70's are over.
MyBobbym wrote:
Howabout the early 80's?
The 90’s were the best.
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At certain tracks, no doubt Herlings, Febvre, Gajser, could be the podium. Every weekend? I think Tomac, Roczen and Ferrandis would have something to say about...
At certain tracks, no doubt Herlings, Febvre, Gajser, could be the podium.
Every weekend? I think Tomac, Roczen and Ferrandis would have something to say about that.
MyBobbym wrote:
Roczen and Ferrandis aren't American.
Never said they were.

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Herlings' performance was great that day , but I think more telling was the Red Bud MXdN debacle .
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Im going to build a pedestal at work today so you fuckers have somewhere to put jeffrey.
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Here you go guys. Your welcome.
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Sandusky26 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/12/518021/s1200_IMG_20211112_095825_8.jpg[/img] Here you go guys. Your welcome.

Here you go guys. Your welcome.
Should he not be praised? Did you watch some of the lines he was taking? Or wheelieing thru that one rough left hander? Or cutting down so tight in those uphill 180 things?

The dude is a monster and amazing to watch.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/12/518021/s1200_IMG_20211112_095825_8.jpg[/img] Here you go guys. Your welcome.

Here you go guys. Your welcome.
Chokemac fan?
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I truly belive a great rider is a great rider regardless of which side of the pond he races.

The euro vs american thing is not a good comparison of skills and abilities. I doubt Herlings, Gajser, Prado, Febvre or Cairoli would get into the top 5 in a SX race.

I also doubt Tomac, Webb, Anderson, Ciancirulo or Barcia would get into the top 5 in a GP. Especially not any sand tracks.

If the euros used the same time and effort practicing SX from a young age as the US riders do we would get a fair comparison.

Same goes for the US riders and euro style mx tracks.

If Tomac or Webb focused solely on MXGP they would be a MXGP champions. If Herlings or Febvre focused on SX from a young age they would be champs in the US.

And yes. I am from europe. Smile
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Sandusky26 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/12/518021/s1200_IMG_20211112_095825_8.jpg[/img] Here you go guys. Your welcome.

Here you go guys. Your welcome.
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Should he not be praised? Did you watch some of the lines he was taking? Or wheelieing thru that one rough left hander? Or cutting down...
Should he not be praised? Did you watch some of the lines he was taking? Or wheelieing thru that one rough left hander? Or cutting down so tight in those uphill 180 things?

The dude is a monster and amazing to watch.
Man I’m totally kidding, Herlings is a badass.

I’m hoping the lady that comes to clean it is a Tomac fan and will leave it up there.
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Mr. Info 11/12/2021 9:40am
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A few years ago I watched who I thought was the the best American outdoor rider win a moto at the MXoN before he was landed on. He had the skill and mind set and bike setup to beat them. And his team mates as well. But we can't just show up and expect to be the best overseas. Same here they come in with a better foundation for outdoors because thats what there raised and trained on. So I always expect the top riders from Europe to excel where ever they race.
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MyBobbym wrote:
to the US and dominate the Americans on any given Saturday and do it consistently.
There’s a thing labeled the MXON. You might want to watch some of them online💡once you get back from wherever you’ve been.
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TeamFlannel 11/12/2021 11:32am
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Herlings' performance was great that day , but I think more telling was the Red Bud MXdN debacle .
Coldenhoff and Prado impressed me greatly that day! I’d already witnessed Herlings incredible corner speed and superior technique at Ironman. Actually the top 6-7 Euros impressed me at MXON @ #nextlevel
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IMO it’s the technique of SX that ‘holds back’ US based riders when riding outdoors, compare both styles closely while watching Nationals or MXGP. But you do need to remember that we are talking seriously small differences that only matter over the course of a moto.

IMO because SX is so important to teams riders specialise - just compare the amount of time spent training & the conditions for each discipline compared to MXGP.
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