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UpTiTe 10/21/2021 10:57am
10/21/2021 10:57am
-MAVERICK- wrote:
^^^ If he's who I think he is, he's got a national podium to his name and a couple of top 5's.
Melicar wrote:
Not for nothing but I picked up that name in a thread many years ago and also assumed it to be him. I've since been told...
Not for nothing but I picked up that name in a thread many years ago and also assumed it to be him. I've since been told by someone knowledgeable that claims to have met him that it is not
I know who you’re talking about, we are two different people, but good friends.
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GrapeApe 10/21/2021 11:05am
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I just want to know who Grendel was
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ATKpilot99 10/21/2021 12:10pm
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Seriously though why the secrecy ?
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MelonFan123 10/21/2021 12:34pm
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Here's video of the '84 125 race, at 2:00 you see Ward half jump up it and O'Mara cases it behind him. Later at 3:38 O'Mara lands it clean

As someone who came into riding after this this era, that track looks like dog shit, but kinda cool at the same time Grinning

https://youtu.be/qgdRFqD1MEk
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B Lenny 10/21/2021 12:53pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
I just want to know who Grendel was
Wasn't that Steve Cox?...Dry
UpTiTe 10/21/2021 3:04pm
10/21/2021 3:04pm
GrapeApe wrote:
I just want to know who Grendel was
B Lenny wrote:
Wasn't that Steve Cox?...Dry
I texted my buddy today to see if he knew who Grendel was, he says Steve swears it wasn’t him.
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GrapeApe 10/21/2021 3:23pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
I just want to know who Grendel was
B Lenny wrote:
Wasn't that Steve Cox?...Dry
UpTiTe wrote:
I texted my buddy today to see if he knew who Grendel was, he says Steve swears it wasn’t him.
After I posted that I looked up Grendel's account just for grins. He stopped posting in 2011 when the sleuths were getting close, but in February 2020 he popped back in just to post "Mike Alessi". lol


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avidchimp 10/21/2021 3:40pm
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avidchimp wrote:
It's an industrial warehouse park now.
UpTiTe wrote:
When did that happen? It looked the same a year ago.
KirkChandler wrote:
He might be talking about Carlsbad. The reason Saddleback Park closed was the land owner (The Irvine Company, a massive real-estate company) was tired of being...
He might be talking about Carlsbad.

The reason Saddleback Park closed was the land owner (The Irvine Company, a massive real-estate company) was tired of being involved in lawsuits. Rumor has it the Irvine Company recently sold the land.
I was. Dammit, insert face palm here. Wink
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mx317 wrote:
More impressive is when they did it on 125s. I wonder how hard it would be on a new 450?
UpTiTe wrote:
Three 125 cleared it, Lance Moorewood, Jeff Ward, and Johnny O. Lance did it once I believe, and clipped the top, Jeff Ward and O’mara never...
Three 125 cleared it, Lance Moorewood, Jeff Ward, and Johnny O. Lance did it once I believe, and clipped the top, Jeff Ward and O’mara never made it clean. A few other 125s tried it, but never made it, just not enough HP.

The leap itself wasn’t hard, it was getting the speed to do it. A much harder jump on the track was called the Wedge, that was the hardest jump to date at that time, and scary.
Where on the track was the wedge? Was it there in the 84 race posted in this thread? I love this stuff because I live real close to the track and yes, it could be re opened tomorrow.
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DMG 10/21/2021 5:28pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
^^^ If he's who I think he is, he's got a national podium to his name and a couple of top 5's.
Melicar wrote:
Not for nothing but I picked up that name in a thread many years ago and also assumed it to be him. I've since been told...
Not for nothing but I picked up that name in a thread many years ago and also assumed it to be him. I've since been told by someone knowledgeable that claims to have met him that it is not
Uptite was very fast, and still is when he rides. He was fast in the 80s and then stopped for personal reasons, and then started racing again 25 or 30 years later and then suddenly stopped again. I understand why he wants to keep anonymous, he has a lot to lose. He’s not the guy who you were probably told he was, a lot of people think he is the guy who owns a construction company called Uptie, that is a guy who post here under Steiny but he hasn’t posted in a while, he’s to busy posting in the private rooms with his upidy motocross insiders.
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avidchimp 10/21/2021 6:11pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
^^^ If he's who I think he is, he's got a national podium to his name and a couple of top 5's.
Melicar wrote:
Not for nothing but I picked up that name in a thread many years ago and also assumed it to be him. I've since been told...
Not for nothing but I picked up that name in a thread many years ago and also assumed it to be him. I've since been told by someone knowledgeable that claims to have met him that it is not
DMG wrote:
Uptite was very fast, and still is when he rides. He was fast in the 80s and then stopped for personal reasons, and then started racing...
Uptite was very fast, and still is when he rides. He was fast in the 80s and then stopped for personal reasons, and then started racing again 25 or 30 years later and then suddenly stopped again. I understand why he wants to keep anonymous, he has a lot to lose. He’s not the guy who you were probably told he was, a lot of people think he is the guy who owns a construction company called Uptie, that is a guy who post here under Steiny but he hasn’t posted in a while, he’s to busy posting in the private rooms with his upidy motocross insiders.
Steiny lived up the street from me back in the day. Definitely not the same person.
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G-man 10/21/2021 8:23pm
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DMG wrote:
Uptite was very fast, and still is when he rides. He was fast in the 80s and then stopped for personal reasons, and then started racing...
Uptite was very fast, and still is when he rides. He was fast in the 80s and then stopped for personal reasons, and then started racing again 25 or 30 years later and then suddenly stopped again. I understand why he wants to keep anonymous, he has a lot to lose. He’s not the guy who you were probably told he was, a lot of people think he is the guy who owns a construction company called Uptie, that is a guy who post here under Steiny but he hasn’t posted in a while, he’s to busy posting in the private rooms with his upidy motocross insiders.
He has a lot to lose from posting on Vital? Unsure
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Suicidal_Tendencies 10/21/2021 8:24pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
Three 125 cleared it, Lance Moorewood, Jeff Ward, and Johnny O. Lance did it once I believe, and clipped the top, Jeff Ward and O’mara never...
Three 125 cleared it, Lance Moorewood, Jeff Ward, and Johnny O. Lance did it once I believe, and clipped the top, Jeff Ward and O’mara never made it clean. A few other 125s tried it, but never made it, just not enough HP.

The leap itself wasn’t hard, it was getting the speed to do it. A much harder jump on the track was called the Wedge, that was the hardest jump to date at that time, and scary.
G-man wrote:
Ahhhh the Mystery guy chimes in, did you do it--what was your name again that you won't provide? 🙄 There was some nasty ruts/kickers on the...
Ahhhh the Mystery guy chimes in, did you do it--what was your name again that you won't provide? 🙄

There was some nasty ruts/kickers on the lip of the jump and yea along with the TIGHT corner at the bottom made it tricky to get over if you didn't hit it just right.
I will agree though the Wedge was very dangerous but to claim Suicide Mountain"wasn't that hard to get over" is ludicrous.

Look at that picture of Hannah, he might disagree with you. Cheerful
It's not hard to figure out who he is. He was a pro and was fast. I don't always agree with him, but respect his opinions.
Suicidal_Tendencies 10/21/2021 8:25pm
10/21/2021 8:25pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
^^^ If he's who I think he is, he's got a national podium to his name and a couple of top 5's.
Melicar wrote:
Not for nothing but I picked up that name in a thread many years ago and also assumed it to be him. I've since been told...
Not for nothing but I picked up that name in a thread many years ago and also assumed it to be him. I've since been told by someone knowledgeable that claims to have met him that it is not
DMG wrote:
Uptite was very fast, and still is when he rides. He was fast in the 80s and then stopped for personal reasons, and then started racing...
Uptite was very fast, and still is when he rides. He was fast in the 80s and then stopped for personal reasons, and then started racing again 25 or 30 years later and then suddenly stopped again. I understand why he wants to keep anonymous, he has a lot to lose. He’s not the guy who you were probably told he was, a lot of people think he is the guy who owns a construction company called Uptie, that is a guy who post here under Steiny but he hasn’t posted in a while, he’s to busy posting in the private rooms with his upidy motocross insiders.
Whoever downvoted this...DMG is a former factory rider. Damn some of you aren't too smart.
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Motoxdoc 10/21/2021 9:48pm
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MelonFan123 wrote:
Here's video of the '84 125 race, at 2:00 you see Ward half jump up it and O'Mara cases it behind him. Later at 3:38 O'Mara...
Here's video of the '84 125 race, at 2:00 you see Ward half jump up it and O'Mara cases it behind him. Later at 3:38 O'Mara lands it clean

As someone who came into riding after this this era, that track looks like dog shit, but kinda cool at the same time Grinning

https://youtu.be/qgdRFqD1MEk
The Saddleback layout was killer and the start was fucking awesome! The prep those days was a little different. If they prepped Saddleback like they do tracks today…omg!…and If they did the infield-access-by-tunnel thing. the spectating would’ve been second to none, as it was already quite good! Hell, at Carlsbad they ran nationals, and GP’s for that matter, and they’d go YEARS at a time without grading or ripping the track! Things were different back then.
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UpTiTe 10/22/2021 6:20am
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mx317 wrote:
More impressive is when they did it on 125s. I wonder how hard it would be on a new 450?
UpTiTe wrote:
Three 125 cleared it, Lance Moorewood, Jeff Ward, and Johnny O. Lance did it once I believe, and clipped the top, Jeff Ward and O’mara never...
Three 125 cleared it, Lance Moorewood, Jeff Ward, and Johnny O. Lance did it once I believe, and clipped the top, Jeff Ward and O’mara never made it clean. A few other 125s tried it, but never made it, just not enough HP.

The leap itself wasn’t hard, it was getting the speed to do it. A much harder jump on the track was called the Wedge, that was the hardest jump to date at that time, and scary.
RMT wrote:
Where on the track was the wedge? Was it there in the 84 race posted in this thread? I love this stuff because I live real...
Where on the track was the wedge? Was it there in the 84 race posted in this thread? I love this stuff because I live real close to the track and yes, it could be re opened tomorrow.



Let’s bring this back on topic.

The first picture is the section before the wedge, you make the turn after the Magoo Double, make a right at the bottom of the hill, go up an incline, (second pic) make a u turn back down, hit a little drop off and then the Wedge.
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ATKpilot99 10/22/2021 12:53pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
Three 125 cleared it, Lance Moorewood, Jeff Ward, and Johnny O. Lance did it once I believe, and clipped the top, Jeff Ward and O’mara never...
Three 125 cleared it, Lance Moorewood, Jeff Ward, and Johnny O. Lance did it once I believe, and clipped the top, Jeff Ward and O’mara never made it clean. A few other 125s tried it, but never made it, just not enough HP.

The leap itself wasn’t hard, it was getting the speed to do it. A much harder jump on the track was called the Wedge, that was the hardest jump to date at that time, and scary.
RMT wrote:
Where on the track was the wedge? Was it there in the 84 race posted in this thread? I love this stuff because I live real...
Where on the track was the wedge? Was it there in the 84 race posted in this thread? I love this stuff because I live real close to the track and yes, it could be re opened tomorrow.
UpTiTe wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/22/515441/s1200_ED5B9203_FCAB_46A1_91E3_5C551055EC00.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/22/515442/s1200_C5402C8B_7A85_4824_9865_58089EEF494E.jpg[/img] Let’s bring this back on topic. The first picture is the section before the wedge, you make the turn after the Magoo Double, make...



Let’s bring this back on topic.

The first picture is the section before the wedge, you make the turn after the Magoo Double, make a right at the bottom of the hill, go up an incline, (second pic) make a u turn back down, hit a little drop off and then the Wedge.
What made that tougher or more dangerous ? I think I remember reading race coverage in MXA when Kent Howerton was in the 500 class for Kawasaki and it said Kent wouldn't attempt the wedge . Wardy clearing it in that pic ?
Roller DeCoaster 10/22/2021 2:22pm
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BILLY LILES
1983


He was 6th in the 250cc race that day. It looks like his works Kawi wasn't lacking in horsepower.!



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Make blue groove great again!
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B Lenny 10/22/2021 10:18pm
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Been postin' for years with UpTite and DMG and I know who DMG is but not gonna say..Some of you Clowns better recognize...Dry
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Yeti831 10/22/2021 10:46pm
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Now I see why so many people miss that place.
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Roller DeCoaster 10/23/2021 6:58am
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OOOOMPH!!

Scott Manning demonstrates the number of G-forces you get when you didn't quite get enough altitude.

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PFitzG38 10/23/2021 9:56am
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Motoxdoc wrote:
I was on the track that day in the 250 class. I survived a ragged suicide double attempt and barely rode away after coming up short...
I was on the track that day in the 250 class. I survived a ragged suicide double attempt and barely rode away after coming up short. I rolled it the rest of the day and came out 13th, the top finisher out of everyone who paid for their own entry fee and tires.
Top Privateer at the last Saddleback Nat. Quite the claim to fame, that must have opened some eyes - or not.
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FWYT 10/23/2021 10:21am
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Steve125 wrote:
Saw this pic of RJ recently. Thought it was pretty cool. Also a Vic photo [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/10/20/515115/s1200_230515205_10225782484135052_7980431529450167474_n.jpg[/img]
Saw this pic of RJ recently. Thought it was pretty cool. Also a Vic photo

Gnarly photo. Especially when I don't generally think of RJ getting kinda out shape like that. Full send!!
tmphotoart 10/23/2021 6:17pm
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It was a difficult obstacle that couldn't be done every lap, especially in the 2nd motos as the up ramp gets chewed . . .

1983 SCENE









WARREN REID'S Helmet visor fly's off on take off!!!

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tmphotoart 10/23/2021 6:35pm
10/23/2021 6:35pm
1982 125/250 National - When it was only single, uphill jumps . . .









HANNAH vs WARD - They are fighting for 3rd . . . Barnett / O'Mara in background fighting for 1st!


TOP OF SUICIDE MTN




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I recall hearing that Irvine Co. owned the land and leased it. The leasee got sued a bunch of times and didn't even file a response and the Irvine Co kept ending up in court.

I do not believe an industrial complex was constructed on this site. pretty sure it is undeveloped to this day

My memory is vague between saddle back and Indian dunes but I do remember a water truck rolled and people were seriously injured (or worse)
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Roller DeCoaster 10/23/2021 8:20pm
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Ozy wrote:
I recall hearing that Irvine Co. owned the land and leased it. The leasee got sued a bunch of times and didn't even file a response...
I recall hearing that Irvine Co. owned the land and leased it. The leasee got sued a bunch of times and didn't even file a response and the Irvine Co kept ending up in court.

I do not believe an industrial complex was constructed on this site. pretty sure it is undeveloped to this day

My memory is vague between saddle back and Indian dunes but I do remember a water truck rolled and people were seriously injured (or worse)

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