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Darrin Willis 10/15/2021 2:42pm
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In fact #4 and #22 from 2005 would as well.
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Steve125 10/15/2021 3:07pm
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His corner speed is so fast it almost makes up for the fact that today's fo-fiddys do those rhythm sections in 2 jumps instead of his 3.
Call me Boomer but I miss the old days.
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S.A. Weave 10/15/2021 3:13pm
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I was just driving down the road daydreaming thinking I need to try to ride like James, now I see this, swell.
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Harv379 wrote:
Some old timer with the series had uploaded a bunch of sx stadium practice vids and old race footy to youtube of stew, but it looks...
Some old timer with the series had uploaded a bunch of sx stadium practice vids and old race footy to youtube of stew, but it looks like it got taken down. I was about to link a ton of stew footage :'(
LOL that "old timer" was Gary Bailey....

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Augustine 10/15/2021 4:03pm
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259 Bubba > 7 Bubba


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You may be high, but 05 Stew & RC as well as Reed on his 03-04 bike, or McGrath at his peak, could absolutely qualify for a SX main in 2022.
BUT results would hinge on being able to get a good start against the 450’s and being mistake free, which is a big ask on a 2t. Mistakes on a 2t typically cost multiple seconds a lap, not half a second like on a 450. Track surface would make a huge difference too.
There’s no way to know either way, but fair off season banter. I just wish they’d let 250 2t’s back in the 250 class.
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murph783 10/15/2021 5:25pm
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His corner speed was fucking bonkers. No one is riding like that right now that I see
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Depends what you mean by "do some damage." Grinning
He had some really bad races his last couple of years, and there is no reason to think he'd be kicking ass on a KX250 when he was getting smoked on a RMZ450. But I could see him qualifying and running mid-pack to the back of the pack. Busting out podiums? No. (Disclaimer: I'm high right now).
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Moto Nomad wrote:
Depends what you mean by "do some damage." :lol: He had some really bad races his last couple of years, and there is no reason to...
Depends what you mean by "do some damage." Grinning
He had some really bad races his last couple of years, and there is no reason to think he'd be kicking ass on a KX250 when he was getting smoked on a RMZ450. But I could see him qualifying and running mid-pack to the back of the pack. Busting out podiums? No. (Disclaimer: I'm high right now).
Bro, I meant teleport that guy in the video, not 2016 James
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God the man never needed the clutch because he carried so much momentum everywhere. Imagine riding so fast on a supercross track you don’t need to keep the rpms up to get the bike to track in ruts / turns and to get over obstacles. That’s how fast he was going. It’s perfection.
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You millenials are a lost cause, 259 would prison rape these guys today.
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JB 19 10/15/2021 6:53pm
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I bet there is some amazing practice footage that the factories have. Hours and hours of Stew, RC, MC, Reed, Johnson, Roczen..... could you imagine the hours that guys like us could lose from our lives watching it.
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Moto Nomad wrote:
Depends what you mean by "do some damage." :lol: He had some really bad races his last couple of years, and there is no reason to...
Depends what you mean by "do some damage." Grinning
He had some really bad races his last couple of years, and there is no reason to think he'd be kicking ass on a KX250 when he was getting smoked on a RMZ450. But I could see him qualifying and running mid-pack to the back of the pack. Busting out podiums? No. (Disclaimer: I'm high right now).
How many wins you got?...Dry
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Gary Duck wrote:
You millenials are a lost cause, 259 would prison rape these guys today.
Stew is a millennial btw. But I agree with the second part 👍🏼
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Crush 10/15/2021 8:16pm
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CPR wrote:
You may be high, but 05 Stew & RC as well as Reed on his 03-04 bike, or McGrath at his peak, could absolutely qualify for...
You may be high, but 05 Stew & RC as well as Reed on his 03-04 bike, or McGrath at his peak, could absolutely qualify for a SX main in 2022.
BUT results would hinge on being able to get a good start against the 450’s and being mistake free, which is a big ask on a 2t. Mistakes on a 2t typically cost multiple seconds a lap, not half a second like on a 450. Track surface would make a huge difference too.
There’s no way to know either way, but fair off season banter. I just wish they’d let 250 2t’s back in the 250 class.
2004 and 2005 proves qualifying isn’t even a thought. They whooped Windham on his 450. Something to be said for a pack of them but these are all timers.
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Sandusky26 10/16/2021 1:17am
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Gary Duck wrote:
You millenials are a lost cause, 259 would prison rape these guys today.
Your fuckin stupid

There’s no way he is taking that wheel borrow of a bike and putting it on the podium against 450’s with 20 more ponies, and 7,000 RPM’s

Y’all are underestimating how good these new bikes are.

If 05 Stewart raced modern 450 guys on 05 style SX tracks he would do some damage for sure, I think the modern SX tracks put the 2 stroke at a bigger disadvantage.


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sende 10/16/2021 2:44am
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wisey wrote:
Yes

But doesn’t matter either way because for sure the sound can never be beat
mxracer106 wrote:
Amen to that wisey! Now imagine that same video on a gay e-bike....
Amen to that wisey! Now imagine that same video on a gay e-bike....
E-bikes are lame, but being gay requires balls.
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Crush 10/16/2021 3:26am
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Sandusky26 wrote:
Your fuckin stupid There’s no way he is taking that wheel borrow of a bike and putting it on the podium against 450’s with 20 more...
Your fuckin stupid

There’s no way he is taking that wheel borrow of a bike and putting it on the podium against 450’s with 20 more ponies, and 7,000 RPM’s

Y’all are underestimating how good these new bikes are.

If 05 Stewart raced modern 450 guys on 05 style SX tracks he would do some damage for sure, I think the modern SX tracks put the 2 stroke at a bigger disadvantage.


What do you think is difficult for a 250 on today's tracks?

I'd argue they're not as technical, not as steep, whoops are smaller and shorter... shit we even have berms again so the flat corner aspect is gone.

Tbh the "quad-god" bullshit hysteria has completed subsided – really, when was the last time a technical or massive quad was the deciding factor in a race. It was probably 2012 Stewart in LA.

Again, 2003–2005, RC, CR and James had no issues with Ferry or KW on 450s. None at all. Sure the bikes are better, but what are talking about? Because I'd bet those three on 2005/2006 450s would be winning today no question.
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#434 10/16/2021 3:32am
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Damn, him and the 199 testing their 250 on the supercross track were something else!

Could somebody put this through one if them AI programs to enhance the quality?
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murph783 10/16/2021 3:51am
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Gary Duck wrote:
You millenials are a lost cause, 259 would prison rape these guys today.
Sandusky26 wrote:
Your fuckin stupid There’s no way he is taking that wheel borrow of a bike and putting it on the podium against 450’s with 20 more...
Your fuckin stupid

There’s no way he is taking that wheel borrow of a bike and putting it on the podium against 450’s with 20 more ponies, and 7,000 RPM’s

Y’all are underestimating how good these new bikes are.

If 05 Stewart raced modern 450 guys on 05 style SX tracks he would do some damage for sure, I think the modern SX tracks put the 2 stroke at a bigger disadvantage.


Zero shot there’s a 20hp difference. I’d hazard a guess they were putting out mid 50’s easily. Stock 450’s are around 60 give or take, and how often do we hear about guys mellowing them out? Nobody is riding a 75hp 450. And who gives a shit what rpm it’s done at, power is power.

I will however agree with your point about tracks.
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Sandusky26 10/16/2021 5:11am
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Crush wrote:
What do you think is difficult for a 250 on today's tracks? I'd argue they're not as technical, not as steep, whoops are smaller and shorter...
What do you think is difficult for a 250 on today's tracks?

I'd argue they're not as technical, not as steep, whoops are smaller and shorter... shit we even have berms again so the flat corner aspect is gone.

Tbh the "quad-god" bullshit hysteria has completed subsided – really, when was the last time a technical or massive quad was the deciding factor in a race. It was probably 2012 Stewart in LA.

Again, 2003–2005, RC, CR and James had no issues with Ferry or KW on 450s. None at all. Sure the bikes are better, but what are talking about? Because I'd bet those three on 2005/2006 450s would be winning today no question.
I agree 100 percent on the tracks. I think the less technical tracks favor the 4 stroke a ton.

I think if you put 05 Bubba on a super technical track from 2001 against modern 450s it would be close.

Id love to see these guys ride 450s on a track from the early 2000s with big ass whoops.
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Sandusky26 10/16/2021 5:16am
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murph783 wrote:
Zero shot there’s a 20hp difference. I’d hazard a guess they were putting out mid 50’s easily. Stock 450’s are around 60 give or take, and...
Zero shot there’s a 20hp difference. I’d hazard a guess they were putting out mid 50’s easily. Stock 450’s are around 60 give or take, and how often do we hear about guys mellowing them out? Nobody is riding a 75hp 450. And who gives a shit what rpm it’s done at, power is power.

I will however agree with your point about tracks.
Your right about the hp difference.

I was just getting at how much easier to ride these new bikes are. The tracks also flow much more to suit the bikes.

I was 13 years old in 2005. I remember every race that season like it was yesterday. I forget how exciting bubba made the races.
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Park Boys 10/16/2021 8:10am
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theToothPerry wrote:
And at this point he was what 18, maybe 19 years old? Miss this era.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I believe he is 18 turning 19 in a couple weeks in this video…now THAT is generational
I believe he is 18 turning 19 in a couple weeks in this video…now THAT is generational
Jett is generational he has the stats to back it, Stew is the all time talent. Compared to Stews numbers no body is generational, No body at least from the perspective of what they did as teenagers and in the early years of the sport where there talent is on full display.
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Park Boys 10/16/2021 8:23am
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Crush wrote:
What do you think is difficult for a 250 on today's tracks? I'd argue they're not as technical, not as steep, whoops are smaller and shorter...
What do you think is difficult for a 250 on today's tracks?

I'd argue they're not as technical, not as steep, whoops are smaller and shorter... shit we even have berms again so the flat corner aspect is gone.

Tbh the "quad-god" bullshit hysteria has completed subsided – really, when was the last time a technical or massive quad was the deciding factor in a race. It was probably 2012 Stewart in LA.

Again, 2003–2005, RC, CR and James had no issues with Ferry or KW on 450s. None at all. Sure the bikes are better, but what are talking about? Because I'd bet those three on 2005/2006 450s would be winning today no question.
You think they would be winning today? I think those three compared to there competition were something else. For the most part you had a better chance of beating MC for a win straight up then beating Reed for 3rd but to assume they would win today has to be a stretch. They brought us into the modern era for sure, but that was 15 plus years ago. Reed on his 09 would be a much better argument than his 06, he was smoked a lot on that bike by RC and Stew. With the whoops being jumpers though that would deff help RC out. Realistically when you watch the old 05- 08 SX races from those days certain times Stew looks mind blowing, maybe he competes at certain rounds for wins. Maybe.

Toronto 14, stew was jumping a quad in the rhythm section that helped him win, Seattle he attempted one again but it accomplished nothing.
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UpTiTe 10/16/2021 9:00am
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You might be a little high. If Stewy was born in 2005 instead of 1985, he’d be dominating the sport.
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byke 10/16/2021 9:23am
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I think you are not high. That guy teleported to today, would do well.
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wisey 10/16/2021 9:49am
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wisey wrote:
Yes

But doesn’t matter either way because for sure the sound can never be beat
mxracer106 wrote:
Amen to that wisey! Now imagine that same video on a gay e-bike....
Amen to that wisey! Now imagine that same video on a gay e-bike....
sende wrote:
E-bikes are lame, but being gay requires balls.
That’s what the mxracer wrote. E bikes sound gay.

Stew should headline at the Grand Ole Opry
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byke 10/16/2021 10:02am
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You guys forget that loving the sound of something is the *result* of something else. We loved riding 2t's, so we loved the sound. We loved riding 4t's, so we loved the sound. Only when you hate riding, would you then hate the sound. Any of you race indoor R/C as a kid? It was still sick when you'd rip a turn and nail a jump right out of the corner. Or fly electric planes and have one scream past you at 70mph? That shit sounds awesome when something cool is happening. If you had a fast bike that sounded like an endless wet queef, you'd end up loving the sound.

Well...maybe not, but you know what I mean.
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theToothPerry 10/16/2021 10:14am
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Park Boys wrote:
You think they would be winning today? I think those three compared to there competition were something else. For the most part you had a better...
You think they would be winning today? I think those three compared to there competition were something else. For the most part you had a better chance of beating MC for a win straight up then beating Reed for 3rd but to assume they would win today has to be a stretch. They brought us into the modern era for sure, but that was 15 plus years ago. Reed on his 09 would be a much better argument than his 06, he was smoked a lot on that bike by RC and Stew. With the whoops being jumpers though that would deff help RC out. Realistically when you watch the old 05- 08 SX races from those days certain times Stew looks mind blowing, maybe he competes at certain rounds for wins. Maybe.

Toronto 14, stew was jumping a quad in the rhythm section that helped him win, Seattle he attempted one again but it accomplished nothing.
I personally think this James Stewart would beat anyone.


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Park Boys 10/16/2021 10:33am
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theToothPerry wrote:
I personally think this James Stewart would beat anyone.
I personally think this James Stewart would beat anyone.


I’m not saying he wouldn’t. That race is going on 16 years ago is all. His last win is going on 8 years. The fact that this is still debatable speaks volumes for his skill.

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