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Tumic 7/30/2021 10:13am
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Since the cases are the same as the 18-21 engine it would have taken a whole new engine to fit the hydro clutch, what did you guys expect? We all know that Honda use the same engine through two generations of chassis. So when it comes for a chassi change next time you will see a hydro..
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llaliberte22 7/30/2021 10:28am
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Tumic wrote:
Since the cases are the same as the 18-21 engine it would have taken a whole new engine to fit the hydro clutch, what did you...
Since the cases are the same as the 18-21 engine it would have taken a whole new engine to fit the hydro clutch, what did you guys expect? We all know that Honda use the same engine through two generations of chassis. So when it comes for a chassi change next time you will see a hydro..
Or maybe I would expect you to study your Honda stuff a little more.

They put a hydro clutch on the 2021 450 while it is the same bottom engine as the 17-20 which didn't have a hydro clutch.

I'm now just hopping they're not keeping it for next year like they did with the electric starter on the 17 to 18 CRF 450
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fourfourone 7/30/2021 10:32am
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Just asking but is a hydro clutch that crucial? I actually prefer a good feeling cable clutch to hydro any day of the week.
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Brent 7/30/2021 10:44am
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The twin exhaust thing confuses me. Surely Honda must have seen a science that meant it was worthwhile adding a whole second muffler, so what changed...
The twin exhaust thing confuses me. Surely Honda must have seen a science that meant it was worthwhile adding a whole second muffler, so what changed that made it go away, then bring it back then take it away again this year?
I wondered the same thing.

Clearly the twin pipe/muffler didn't do much, if anything to improve performance.

All that PR crap about twin mufflers "adding balance " was laughable and didn't make sense to anyone who has ridden a motocross bike.

My guess is that the marketing department and the engineering department at Honda were having a power struggle over how the motorcycle was designed, I'd bet anything that the engineers who design these bikes were not responsible for twin exhausts.

I hope that the idiotic twin pipe thing is finally dead and buried.
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Beeby wrote:
The twin exhaust thing confuses me. Surely Honda must have seen a science that meant it was worthwhile adding a whole second muffler, so what changed...
The twin exhaust thing confuses me. Surely Honda must have seen a science that meant it was worthwhile adding a whole second muffler, so what changed that made it go away, then bring it back then take it away again this year?
Brent wrote:
I wondered the same thing. Clearly the twin pipe/muffler didn't do much, if anything to improve performance. All that PR crap about twin mufflers "adding balance...
I wondered the same thing.

Clearly the twin pipe/muffler didn't do much, if anything to improve performance.

All that PR crap about twin mufflers "adding balance " was laughable and didn't make sense to anyone who has ridden a motocross bike.

My guess is that the marketing department and the engineering department at Honda were having a power struggle over how the motorcycle was designed, I'd bet anything that the engineers who design these bikes were not responsible for twin exhausts.

I hope that the idiotic twin pipe thing is finally dead and buried.
Alive and well

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BroFoSho 7/30/2021 10:55am
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GoggleFiend904 wrote:
8 lbs is a lot. Where did they lose it?
The bike lost one entire camshaft and one entire exhaust system haha. That's gotta be the bulk of it
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wrc777 7/30/2021 12:04pm
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GoggleFiend904 wrote:
8 lbs is a lot. Where did they lose it?
BroFoSho wrote:
The bike lost one entire camshaft and one entire exhaust system haha. That's gotta be the bulk of it
I think it still has two cams. The tires might be 1.5 lbs. I don’t think Mx3s were porkers like the mx33. Still 8 lbs lighter and still has a spring fork. It has to be right with a ktm with cone valves in weight or maybe a bit lighter.

Only $8100 too. Not much more than a Suzuki.
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Leeham 7/30/2021 12:07pm
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BroFoSho wrote:
The bike lost one entire camshaft and one entire exhaust system haha. That's gotta be the bulk of it
Camshaft? Its still DOHC. Dropping a pipe was the bulk of weight
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LKHill 7/30/2021 12:10pm
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I wonder where the 8# number comes from. If memory serves correct the 450 was touted as loosing 7 pounds when adding the part weight reductions. What was not stated clearly was the parts that gained weight.
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MotoX 174 7/30/2021 12:31pm
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LKHill wrote:
I wonder where the 8# number comes from. If memory serves correct the 450 was touted as loosing 7 pounds when adding the part weight reductions...
I wonder where the 8# number comes from. If memory serves correct the 450 was touted as loosing 7 pounds when adding the part weight reductions. What was not stated clearly was the parts that gained weight.
Watch the whole video Honda released on you tube. You will get your answer
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GoggleFiend904 7/30/2021 12:32pm
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GoggleFiend904 wrote:
8 lbs is a lot. Where did they lose it?
BroFoSho wrote:
The bike lost one entire camshaft and one entire exhaust system haha. That's gotta be the bulk of it
wrc777 wrote:
I think it still has two cams. The tires might be 1.5 lbs. I don’t think Mx3s were porkers like the mx33. Still 8 lbs lighter...
I think it still has two cams. The tires might be 1.5 lbs. I don’t think Mx3s were porkers like the mx33. Still 8 lbs lighter and still has a spring fork. It has to be right with a ktm with cone valves in weight or maybe a bit lighter.

Only $8100 too. Not much more than a Suzuki.
The weight is pretty impressive considering the bike comes with a skid plate and front rotor guard. Do other brands even come with either of those?
Dirty Points 7/30/2021 12:39pm
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LKHill wrote:
I wonder where the 8# number comes from. If memory serves correct the 450 was touted as loosing 7 pounds when adding the part weight reductions...
I wonder where the 8# number comes from. If memory serves correct the 450 was touted as loosing 7 pounds when adding the part weight reductions. What was not stated clearly was the parts that gained weight.
The 8 lbs is not just a sum of the parts weight reduction. Yes it is included in the verbiage, but the listed wet weight went from 237 to 229 lbs
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MotoX 174 7/30/2021 12:40pm
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Honda has shown us you can make a aluminum framed 250 four stroke lighter. It’s time four Yamaha & Kawasaki to put there 250’s on a diet.
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wrc777 7/30/2021 1:24pm
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BroFoSho wrote:
The bike lost one entire camshaft and one entire exhaust system haha. That's gotta be the bulk of it
wrc777 wrote:
I think it still has two cams. The tires might be 1.5 lbs. I don’t think Mx3s were porkers like the mx33. Still 8 lbs lighter...
I think it still has two cams. The tires might be 1.5 lbs. I don’t think Mx3s were porkers like the mx33. Still 8 lbs lighter and still has a spring fork. It has to be right with a ktm with cone valves in weight or maybe a bit lighter.

Only $8100 too. Not much more than a Suzuki.
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The weight is pretty impressive considering the bike comes with a skid plate and front rotor guard. Do other brands even come with either of those?
Not typically on the Mx models. if I subtract 10 lbs of fuel from the claimed wet weight that puts the bike at 217. If we assume mxa has the right dry weights that makes this the lightest production 250 tied with the gasgas. If we put an aer fork on the Honda it would be 3 lbs lighter. I didn’t think the Japanese would ever get down to ktm weight, but it looks like they did it and then some. If the power matches the yz in the low to mid and still has the same top end as the 2021 it will be hard to beat. On the dirt rider dyno chart the 2021 was about 20% behind the ktm at 6500 rpm.

The Question is what did ktm do for 2023?
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LKHill 7/30/2021 1:28pm
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LKHill wrote:
I wonder where the 8# number comes from. If memory serves correct the 450 was touted as loosing 7 pounds when adding the part weight reductions...
I wonder where the 8# number comes from. If memory serves correct the 450 was touted as loosing 7 pounds when adding the part weight reductions. What was not stated clearly was the parts that gained weight.
MotoX 174 wrote:
Watch the whole video Honda released on you tube. You will get your answer
Watch the whole video Honda released on you tube. You will get your answer
I don't know man. The guy talked about 3# shaved off a few parts is all I could come up with. I bet the single exhaust is good for a couple more. Tire weight reduction means nothing as you can get the same reduction to any bike by simply running those tires.

Not a big fan of press fit cam gears either but maybe Honda can build a better mouse trap.
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NoMuff2Tuff 7/30/2021 4:10pm
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If they really drop 8lbs that's close to having 1 free horsepower. A good start for Honda on the 2022
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Pop Shmoke 7/30/2021 5:23pm
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I know most pros are running air forks now, barcias even running an air shock, I wonder if the japanese brands will ever go back. A lot of the problems were user error with people screwing around with air pressures when they werent supposed to, and the problems that did exist are largely solved now. I wonder if the public will ever get another shot.

This bike dropping 8 pounds is already huge, imagine 3 more… thats crazy light. Imagine an oem crf250r thats 11 lbs lighter than the year before 😮. That would be pure insanity, they could have done it too if they had went back to air. What a testament to the engineers over there. Those hrc bikes with air forks and titanium unobtanium parts are going to be light as a feather. Im def jelly. What beautiful bikes honda has been putting out lately.
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LKHill wrote:
I wonder where the 8# number comes from. If memory serves correct the 450 was touted as loosing 7 pounds when adding the part weight reductions...
I wonder where the 8# number comes from. If memory serves correct the 450 was touted as loosing 7 pounds when adding the part weight reductions. What was not stated clearly was the parts that gained weight.
MotoX 174 wrote:
Watch the whole video Honda released on you tube. You will get your answer
Watch the whole video Honda released on you tube. You will get your answer
LKHill wrote:
I don't know man. The guy talked about 3# shaved off a few parts is all I could come up with. I bet the single exhaust...
I don't know man. The guy talked about 3# shaved off a few parts is all I could come up with. I bet the single exhaust is good for a couple more. Tire weight reduction means nothing as you can get the same reduction to any bike by simply running those tires.

Not a big fan of press fit cam gears either but maybe Honda can build a better mouse trap.
your so clueless. Bitch about twice pipes cause its too heavy, they drop it for a single and you still complain. KTM makes their bikes light by air forks and all kinds of shit to get dumbasses like you to drink the koolaid. Now Honda does it and rather than say, cool, its lighter, you look for dumb reasons to still complain. Just stupid. You dont already know KTM runs light shit too to get guys like you to drool over the fake weight? Dude, wake up, its all done for marketing for clueless people like you.
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LKHill 7/30/2021 6:31pm
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your so clueless. Bitch about twice pipes cause its too heavy, they drop it for a single and you still complain. KTM makes their bikes light...
your so clueless. Bitch about twice pipes cause its too heavy, they drop it for a single and you still complain. KTM makes their bikes light by air forks and all kinds of shit to get dumbasses like you to drink the koolaid. Now Honda does it and rather than say, cool, its lighter, you look for dumb reasons to still complain. Just stupid. You dont already know KTM runs light shit too to get guys like you to drool over the fake weight? Dude, wake up, its all done for marketing for clueless people like you.
HUH? I ride Kawasaki's.

I can tell you something about weight. My 2021 KX250 weights 7 pounds more than my 2018. It feels lighter on the stand, lighter when you are pushing it around and lighter on the track.
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MikeID 7/30/2021 7:28pm
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I’m curious about changes to the gear ratios on both the R and the RX. Could the RX be closer to a wide-ratio transmission now?
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LKHill 7/31/2021 4:29am
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This fellow is claiming 3.7# reduction from the single exhaust. That brings the weight reduction of the bike itself (not including reduced rubber weight) to 6#+.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSVqRv4_YDo



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wrc777 7/31/2021 6:35am
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MikeID wrote:
I’m curious about changes to the gear ratios on both the R and the RX. Could the RX be closer to a wide-ratio transmission now?
I seriously doubt it. It is intended as a gncc bike. I think the Mx gearbox is fine for that. It might have an extra tooth on the sprocket.
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MikeID 7/31/2021 6:47am
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I seriously doubt it. It is intended as a gncc bike. I think the Mx gearbox is fine for that. It might have an extra tooth...
I seriously doubt it. It is intended as a gncc bike. I think the Mx gearbox is fine for that. It might have an extra tooth on the sprocket.
Wishful thinking on my part…I had a 15 R which I went one up on the c/s and still was often searching for another gear. I had hoped for a sixth gear.
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MBR 7/31/2021 9:53am
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Unfortunately I haven’t been able to ride the new one yet, but I talked today with certain former world champion who tested the bike last week. He said that the bike felt really light, but he was most impressed how much more power and torque bike has low and mid.
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Yzf916 7/31/2021 10:01am
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229lbs is still 7lbs heavier than a KTM450sxf. Add 3# for Cone Valves. And the CRF is still. 4lbs heavier than a KTM 450sxf.
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Dirty Points 7/31/2021 10:06am
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LKHill wrote:
This fellow is claiming 3.7# reduction from the single exhaust. That brings the weight reduction of the bike itself (not including reduced rubber weight) to 6#+...
This fellow is claiming 3.7# reduction from the single exhaust. That brings the weight reduction of the bike itself (not including reduced rubber weight) to 6#+.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSVqRv4_YDo



Additional Bodywork is more minimal (no tank cover and fewer fasteners) and they claimed reduced weight on transmission components
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Skuzzy29 7/31/2021 10:07am
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Yzf916 wrote:
229lbs is still 7lbs heavier than a KTM450sxf. Add 3# for Cone Valves. And the CRF is still. 4lbs heavier than a KTM 450sxf.
Curb Weight. 229 pounds (Includes all standard equipment, required fluids and a full tank of fuel–ready to ride)
Dirty Points 7/31/2021 10:08am
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Yzf916 wrote:
229lbs is still 7lbs heavier than a KTM450sxf. Add 3# for Cone Valves. And the CRF is still. 4lbs heavier than a KTM 450sxf.
For the how-ever-many-ieth time on this forum. Wet weight vs dry weight. Learn it.
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soopah noviss 7/31/2021 11:08am
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MBR wrote:
Unfortunately I haven’t been able to ride the new one yet, but I talked today with certain former world champion who tested the bike last week...
Unfortunately I haven’t been able to ride the new one yet, but I talked today with certain former world champion who tested the bike last week. He said that the bike felt really light, but he was most impressed how much more power and torque bike has low and mid.
Rut-roh...

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