Does Forkner need a change or is his star fading?

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I think he can right the ship. But he needs to make major changes to his program. Whatever he’s doing isn’t working.
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If he pulls out of nationals he will officially have completed year 3 of not finishing a start to finish SX or MX season correct?
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Up Wind wrote:
I think he should sit out. He has to be injured a bit. He should get some rest, heal up and come out swinging for SX...
I think he should sit out. He has to be injured a bit. He should get some rest, heal up and come out swinging for SX. Bouncing off the ground with a injury will get him seriously hurt again.
Agree.


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Might have been mentioned elsewhere and if so, I apologize for missing it, but
what are his contract terms? Is it through 2022? Options to extend/move around?

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FWYT wrote:
Might have been mentioned elsewhere and if so, I apologize for missing it, but what are his contract terms? Is it through 2022? Options to extend/move...
Might have been mentioned elsewhere and if so, I apologize for missing it, but
what are his contract terms? Is it through 2022? Options to extend/move around?
I read somewhere he has a guaranteed 450 deal with Kawi but I do not know if that's accurate or when he moves to 450s.

Honestly he should just go to 450's now. Get some experience.
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I can't help but wonder if all the injuries are taking a toll on him mentally, and having them all so close together. Seems like every...
I can't help but wonder if all the injuries are taking a toll on him mentally, and having them all so close together. Seems like every time he gets on a bike he wrecks and gets injured.

It's been talked about on Pulp a lot and I agree with Matthes...Forkner needs to make some major changes. I don't think it's an issue with the bike or team but perhaps leaving Reynard's training program would be a big help. Not that Reynard is a bad trainer but a change of scenery could help. Wither it be going to MTF, Baker, NYK....just somewhere different and practicing with other riders.

I'm not going to get into the whole girlfriend thing but whatever it may be he seems to be mentally off track. Now with his crash at Southwick it looked like he really re-aggravated the thumb injury so I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled the plug on this outdoor season soon. His results aren't improving, still making dumb mistakes, and overall just looks like a totally different rider than a year ago. People can hate on him all they want but there's no doubt he has lots of talent and the skill to be winning titles....something has to change and I'm hoping he turns it around.
We've heard Hunter Lawrence say that he was questioning his future because he was hurt so much, I'm sure it's in his head. The trick is to overcome.
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Chris_Buehler wrote:
Nobody is hiding behind downvotes. Pretty much everyone is saying they don't much like Forkner. No one denies his talent. Kid isn't very likeable. At least...
Nobody is hiding behind downvotes. Pretty much everyone is saying they don't much like Forkner. No one denies his talent. Kid isn't very likeable. At least when AC had his struggles he had so much personality and charisma. Forkner? Ya not so much. As in at all
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Who really gives a shit? Don’t we watch these guys for the dirt bike racing? Not sure about you, but I don’t typically get wrapped up...
Who really gives a shit? Don’t we watch these guys for the dirt bike racing? Not sure about you, but I don’t typically get wrapped up in liking or disliking kids because of their personality, seeing as how we don’t actually know them. So many weirdos on here who love to hate on kids out there living their dream.
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You're in the minority not caring if these guys have any personality. Who said anything about hating any of them either. You can not be a...
You're in the minority not caring if these guys have any personality. Who said anything about hating any of them either. You can not be a fan doesn't mean you hate them. 23 isn't a kid either
Good thing he’s only 22 then. Obviously I’m aware that he’s not a kid by the literal meaning of the word. Clearly you and many others missed my point as I was simply saying that he rides like a kid and does not seem to have matured. For example, going for the leap on the first lap of practice and injuring his thumb was an immature decision. One would think he would be more concerned about safely finishing the season with solid rides. Jumping the leap that day would do nothing for his current situation. To me, he still SEEMS like a kid that has some growing up and learning to do.
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Good thing he’s only 22 then. Obviously I’m aware that he’s not a kid by the literal meaning of the word. Clearly you and many others...
Good thing he’s only 22 then. Obviously I’m aware that he’s not a kid by the literal meaning of the word. Clearly you and many others missed my point as I was simply saying that he rides like a kid and does not seem to have matured. For example, going for the leap on the first lap of practice and injuring his thumb was an immature decision. One would think he would be more concerned about safely finishing the season with solid rides. Jumping the leap that day would do nothing for his current situation. To me, he still SEEMS like a kid that has some growing up and learning to do.
Nailed it I think. He races like he did when he was a rookie still. Hasn’t learned from his mistakes it seems.
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DerickYZ wrote:
This is Karma for Forkner. He’s been a cocky kid since he went pro.
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of a tiny camper? Were you at the therapy sessions when he was rehabbing from injuries? Or do you just know him from social media and interviews? I dont know him personally, but to me it looks like he has had a lot of injuries and is just trying to figure out how to stay healthy for a season. Its tough coming back, but as soon as he taste that podium again I bet it all comes back.
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Chris_Buehler 7/12/2021 6:23pm
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Who really gives a shit? Don’t we watch these guys for the dirt bike racing? Not sure about you, but I don’t typically get wrapped up...
Who really gives a shit? Don’t we watch these guys for the dirt bike racing? Not sure about you, but I don’t typically get wrapped up in liking or disliking kids because of their personality, seeing as how we don’t actually know them. So many weirdos on here who love to hate on kids out there living their dream.
Chris_Buehler wrote:
You're in the minority not caring if these guys have any personality. Who said anything about hating any of them either. You can not be a...
You're in the minority not caring if these guys have any personality. Who said anything about hating any of them either. You can not be a fan doesn't mean you hate them. 23 isn't a kid either
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Good thing he’s only 22 then. Obviously I’m aware that he’s not a kid by the literal meaning of the word. Clearly you and many others...
Good thing he’s only 22 then. Obviously I’m aware that he’s not a kid by the literal meaning of the word. Clearly you and many others missed my point as I was simply saying that he rides like a kid and does not seem to have matured. For example, going for the leap on the first lap of practice and injuring his thumb was an immature decision. One would think he would be more concerned about safely finishing the season with solid rides. Jumping the leap that day would do nothing for his current situation. To me, he still SEEMS like a kid that has some growing up and learning to do.
Hes 23 in Sept but ya you're right he's "only 22."
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DerickYZ wrote:
This is Karma for Forkner. He’s been a cocky kid since he went pro.
crt32 wrote:
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of...
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of a tiny camper? Were you at the therapy sessions when he was rehabbing from injuries? Or do you just know him from social media and interviews? I dont know him personally, but to me it looks like he has had a lot of injuries and is just trying to figure out how to stay healthy for a season. Its tough coming back, but as soon as he taste that podium again I bet it all comes back.
trying to jump laroccos on a 250 at red bud is not ‘trying to stay healthy’
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DerickYZ wrote:
This is Karma for Forkner. He’s been a cocky kid since he went pro.
crt32 wrote:
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of...
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of a tiny camper? Were you at the therapy sessions when he was rehabbing from injuries? Or do you just know him from social media and interviews? I dont know him personally, but to me it looks like he has had a lot of injuries and is just trying to figure out how to stay healthy for a season. Its tough coming back, but as soon as he taste that podium again I bet it all comes back.
soggy wrote:
trying to jump laroccos on a 250 at red bud is not ‘trying to stay healthy’
Yep and that other Instagram vid from I think high point where he tried to do the uphill triple in tragic and almost landed on someone plus crashing. “Kid” doesn’t seem to be the sharpest tool…think he could learn from Jo and build himself back up to speed
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DerickYZ wrote:
This is Karma for Forkner. He’s been a cocky kid since he went pro.
crt32 wrote:
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of...
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of a tiny camper? Were you at the therapy sessions when he was rehabbing from injuries? Or do you just know him from social media and interviews? I dont know him personally, but to me it looks like he has had a lot of injuries and is just trying to figure out how to stay healthy for a season. Its tough coming back, but as soon as he taste that podium again I bet it all comes back.
I wasn’t a big fan until I met him. He spoke very openly and genuinely to me when others didn’t, so I’ll always remember him as a good guy. I hope he kicks ass in SX and reaches his potential
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DerickYZ wrote:
This is Karma for Forkner. He’s been a cocky kid since he went pro.
crt32 wrote:
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of...
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of a tiny camper? Were you at the therapy sessions when he was rehabbing from injuries? Or do you just know him from social media and interviews? I dont know him personally, but to me it looks like he has had a lot of injuries and is just trying to figure out how to stay healthy for a season. Its tough coming back, but as soon as he taste that podium again I bet it all comes back.
Kelz87 wrote:
I wasn’t a big fan until I met him. He spoke very openly and genuinely to me when others didn’t, so I’ll always remember him as...
I wasn’t a big fan until I met him. He spoke very openly and genuinely to me when others didn’t, so I’ll always remember him as a good guy. I hope he kicks ass in SX and reaches his potential
That’s who Austin is. Many said the same thing about Chad when he came over.
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DrinkMoreWater 7/13/2021 12:03pm
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I never liked him but now I feel sorry for him, especially his recent after race interview he seemed humble.

He's been fast but not next level fast and he has shown he cannot handle his fastest pace, let's say if he toned it down early in his career he would be a top ten guy not a top 3-5.
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UpTiTe 7/13/2021 1:25pm
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He has 1 more year on PC, let’s hope he goes into next season healthy and strong so we can see what he can do.
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Rickyisms 7/13/2021 8:53pm
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Has pops not chimed in yet?
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Rickyisms wrote:
Has pops not chimed in yet?
I think Pops got his fill of Vital after the last Austin thread, last year.
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8tensolutions 7/13/2021 9:34pm
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Good thing he’s only 22 then. Obviously I’m aware that he’s not a kid by the literal meaning of the word. Clearly you and many others...
Good thing he’s only 22 then. Obviously I’m aware that he’s not a kid by the literal meaning of the word. Clearly you and many others missed my point as I was simply saying that he rides like a kid and does not seem to have matured. For example, going for the leap on the first lap of practice and injuring his thumb was an immature decision. One would think he would be more concerned about safely finishing the season with solid rides. Jumping the leap that day would do nothing for his current situation. To me, he still SEEMS like a kid that has some growing up and learning to do.
soggy wrote:
Nailed it I think. He races like he did when he was a rookie still. Hasn’t learned from his mistakes it seems.
Yeah, but had he cleaned it......everyone would be singing his praises for going for it and showing how strong his heart and the PC KX250 is.
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blockhead17 7/14/2021 6:15am
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Kenny: cases laroccos leap
Vital: he has so much heart
Former: cases laroccos leap
Vital: he is an idiot, entitled and cocky..
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Kenny: cases laroccos leap
Vital: he has so much heart
Former: cases laroccos leap
Vital: he is an idiot, entitled and cocky..
There is a massive difference here.

Nobody on a 250 was hucking it, especially not during the race so it was just an unnecessary risk to take.

Some of the top 450 riders were hitting the leap, it was a disadvantage to not take the risk and jump it.
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jamiechapman418 7/14/2021 6:32am
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For what it's worth. I met Austin and his mom at the Mall of America when supercross was in Minneapolis one year. He had crashed out in the main and broken his collarbone I believe it was. In a sling about to sit down for supper with his mom and some buddies and he took the time to take a picture with my nephew. We chatted for awhile with him and his mom. Very nice people. I will agree he can come off in the media as a little full of himself but at least in my experience with him, this was not the case.
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blockhead17 wrote:
Kenny: cases laroccos leap
Vital: he has so much heart
Former: cases laroccos leap
Vital: he is an idiot, entitled and cocky..
Motofinne wrote:
There is a massive difference here. Nobody on a 250 was hucking it, especially not during the race so it was just an unnecessary risk to...
There is a massive difference here.

Nobody on a 250 was hucking it, especially not during the race so it was just an unnecessary risk to take.

Some of the top 450 riders were hitting the leap, it was a disadvantage to not take the risk and jump it.
But really that's not the case either. There were 250 guys that tried it in practice but not very many at all. Also Forkner tried it right away in practice. There's only one way to find out if you can make it or not. He's supposed to be an elite rider so he's doing a jump that every single year some of the top 250 riders clear. His best shot was going to be early in a practice most likely so he took it.

He just went for it and it just didn't pay off. It happens in motorcross.
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His results aren’t great, but I don’t think anyone thought he was competing for a title outdoors this year. Let him race and build the rest of the season. He hasn’t ridden outdoors in 3 years. His best bet is to just race the rest of the season without getting hurt, get a full off season of training, and then come back and win some races in SX. 23 is still way young when you consider we have dudes near 30 winning races and a 32 year old won a 450 title last year.

I am not a super fan or anything but it’s pretty easy to see that a lot of internet dudes love to hate on him because he rides for PC and dates a monster girl while most of them will never know what it’s like to ride or date beyond a C class level…
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DerickYZ wrote:
This is Karma for Forkner. He’s been a cocky kid since he went pro.
crt32 wrote:
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of...
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of a tiny camper? Were you at the therapy sessions when he was rehabbing from injuries? Or do you just know him from social media and interviews? I dont know him personally, but to me it looks like he has had a lot of injuries and is just trying to figure out how to stay healthy for a season. Its tough coming back, but as soon as he taste that podium again I bet it all comes back.
I don't know him either, but I do remember being at Hangtown in 2016 early in the morning when things were mellow and heard what sounded like the most obnoxious boisterous idiot talking at full hey-look-at-me volume and turned around and it was him. He was walking with a few other PC riders, who were quiet and looking around like they were embarrassed. To be fair, he was 17, and I don't know many people that weren't idiots at 17.
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DerickYZ wrote:
This is Karma for Forkner. He’s been a cocky kid since he went pro.
crt32 wrote:
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of...
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of a tiny camper? Were you at the therapy sessions when he was rehabbing from injuries? Or do you just know him from social media and interviews? I dont know him personally, but to me it looks like he has had a lot of injuries and is just trying to figure out how to stay healthy for a season. Its tough coming back, but as soon as he taste that podium again I bet it all comes back.
byke wrote:
I don't know him either, but I do remember being at Hangtown in 2016 early in the morning when things were mellow and heard what sounded...
I don't know him either, but I do remember being at Hangtown in 2016 early in the morning when things were mellow and heard what sounded like the most obnoxious boisterous idiot talking at full hey-look-at-me volume and turned around and it was him. He was walking with a few other PC riders, who were quiet and looking around like they were embarrassed. To be fair, he was 17, and I don't know many people that weren't idiots at 17.
Anyone have a picture of the cocky butt patch he had then got hurt in SX? Can’t remember the year.

He’s just a cocky kid and always will be. Don’t feel bad for him. You’re on the best equipment with the best trainers. You had way more prep time than your competition (after recovering) yet you can’t put it in the top 5? Sounds like he’s not working hard enough.
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Rickyisms wrote:
Has pops not chimed in yet?
dkurtd wrote:
I think Pops got his fill of Vital after the last Austin thread, last year.
Pops is too busy adding 2' of sand to most of Robbie's outdoor track. I was pissed as I'm an old, slow vet and he/they have made the track very difficult for the average guy like me. I gave him shit about it and jokingly told him I was suspending his membership to our "Reynard Senior Row Riding Group" headed by Robbie's dad Robert. Told Mike (i.e.Austin's dad) his new nickname is "Sandman" and to knock that shit off. He just laughed at me, gave me the finger and held up a pitboard with "Pussy" on it as I went by him while he was timing Austin. Fun guy who's real down to earth and works very hard. He's the definition of a fly over country, rural American male.

He also is Kylie Stallings mechanic. She's a young girl who fly's by all in our group on a mini bike with long blond hair flying in the breeze. She has serious speed and I believe she will kill it at LL's this year. She did decent last year but the results didn't match her potential. She's a very serious rider who practices and rides with the boys and Pros at Robbie's. She also races against the boys as well as the girls at LL's. We're all cheering for here to do well at LL's as she really puts in the work and is fearless and fast.

https://www.babesinthedirt.com/blog/2021/6/24/kyleigh-stallings

https://www.monsterarmy.com/news/new-recruit-kyleigh-stallings/

https://motoplayground.com/2020/05/05/sqda-kyleigh-stallings/

We who ride Reynard's have watched her grow up and put in the work every day alongside the boys and are big fans, until she laps us like we're standing still.

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His results aren’t great, but I don’t think anyone thought he was competing for a title outdoors this year. Let him race and build the rest...
His results aren’t great, but I don’t think anyone thought he was competing for a title outdoors this year. Let him race and build the rest of the season. He hasn’t ridden outdoors in 3 years. His best bet is to just race the rest of the season without getting hurt, get a full off season of training, and then come back and win some races in SX. 23 is still way young when you consider we have dudes near 30 winning races and a 32 year old won a 450 title last year.

I am not a super fan or anything but it’s pretty easy to see that a lot of internet dudes love to hate on him because he rides for PC and dates a monster girl while most of them will never know what it’s like to ride or date beyond a C class level…
You can see a posters riding speed and the quality of women there with just from a comment.... wow that’s a gift. Your missing the point though regardless whether 23 is young or old he is a 5 year pro on one of the best 250 teams and is still making dumb rookie mistakes. It’s not a personality contest he isn’t getting it done and every year it’s the same thing except this outdoors he’s slower than usual. He has the speed and talent to win titles but he needs to change everything up for a chance at that because it’s been 5 years of exactly the same thing so why would the 6th be any different without a change?
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crt32 wrote:
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of...
Do you personally know him? Do you know his mom, his dad, or his grandparents? Were you at the track when they were racing out of a tiny camper? Were you at the therapy sessions when he was rehabbing from injuries? Or do you just know him from social media and interviews? I dont know him personally, but to me it looks like he has had a lot of injuries and is just trying to figure out how to stay healthy for a season. Its tough coming back, but as soon as he taste that podium again I bet it all comes back.
byke wrote:
I don't know him either, but I do remember being at Hangtown in 2016 early in the morning when things were mellow and heard what sounded...
I don't know him either, but I do remember being at Hangtown in 2016 early in the morning when things were mellow and heard what sounded like the most obnoxious boisterous idiot talking at full hey-look-at-me volume and turned around and it was him. He was walking with a few other PC riders, who were quiet and looking around like they were embarrassed. To be fair, he was 17, and I don't know many people that weren't idiots at 17.
DerickYZ wrote:
Anyone have a picture of the cocky butt patch he had then got hurt in SX? Can’t remember the year. He’s just a cocky kid and...
Anyone have a picture of the cocky butt patch he had then got hurt in SX? Can’t remember the year.

He’s just a cocky kid and always will be. Don’t feel bad for him. You’re on the best equipment with the best trainers. You had way more prep time than your competition (after recovering) yet you can’t put it in the top 5? Sounds like he’s not working hard enough.
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Forkner-s-butt-patch-Wha…

Only a 3 pager, so not that big of a deal...
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chasetwo79 7/14/2021 4:02pm
7/14/2021 4:02pm
chasetwo79 wrote:
His results aren’t great, but I don’t think anyone thought he was competing for a title outdoors this year. Let him race and build the rest...
His results aren’t great, but I don’t think anyone thought he was competing for a title outdoors this year. Let him race and build the rest of the season. He hasn’t ridden outdoors in 3 years. His best bet is to just race the rest of the season without getting hurt, get a full off season of training, and then come back and win some races in SX. 23 is still way young when you consider we have dudes near 30 winning races and a 32 year old won a 450 title last year.

I am not a super fan or anything but it’s pretty easy to see that a lot of internet dudes love to hate on him because he rides for PC and dates a monster girl while most of them will never know what it’s like to ride or date beyond a C class level…
28hall wrote:
You can see a posters riding speed and the quality of women there with just from a comment.... wow that’s a gift. Your missing the point...
You can see a posters riding speed and the quality of women there with just from a comment.... wow that’s a gift. Your missing the point though regardless whether 23 is young or old he is a 5 year pro on one of the best 250 teams and is still making dumb rookie mistakes. It’s not a personality contest he isn’t getting it done and every year it’s the same thing except this outdoors he’s slower than usual. He has the speed and talent to win titles but he needs to change everything up for a chance at that because it’s been 5 years of exactly the same thing so why would the 6th be any different without a change?
No one is saying that it will be different. Just that if he wants the chance to make it different this is the path… plenty of people have raced the 250 longer than 23. I’m pretty sure we just got done having this exact conversation about AC and then he almost won the SX title, then won the outdoors and moved up to 450s.

And no one said I can tell their speed both on the bike and in the dating life, just that the internet is filled with dorks who hurl insults and think they are better than they generally are.
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