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Edited Date/Time 7/13/2021 7:09am
Question - noticed not many riders hitting the Leap this past weekend.

Is it that hard to get over out of the corner they had ?
Actually faster going inside to double single ?
Leaves inside open too much ?
Risk vs reward ?

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smashingpumpkins167 7/7/2021 12:40am
7/7/2021 12:40am
Looked like the run up was shorter. I think I liked it better when more guys were jumping it. Of course I am also one of those people that always talks about the racing being cooler when they were on 125s and couldn't do all the jumps
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Motoxdoc 7/7/2021 12:52am
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I heard the corner before it was moved in a bit closer...and if you went wide it was soft and not ideal. It looked like RJ was thinking about doing it on the last lap (can't remember which moto) until his bike got sucked into a sandy sippy hole and made him bubble and lose momentum.
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luke11 7/7/2021 2:37am
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They’d moved the corner closer this year. Personally I think if they left the corner in the same location but prepped the corner so it was harder/less Sandy that would be the perfect scenario.
450’s would have to be perfect to hit it from inside but could do it from outside with ease. 250s would need a good run from outside or be a god to clear from inside.
Am I making any sense?
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chump6784 7/7/2021 2:52am
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luke11 wrote:
They’d moved the corner closer this year. Personally I think if they left the corner in the same location but prepped the corner so it was...
They’d moved the corner closer this year. Personally I think if they left the corner in the same location but prepped the corner so it was harder/less Sandy that would be the perfect scenario.
450’s would have to be perfect to hit it from inside but could do it from outside with ease. 250s would need a good run from outside or be a god to clear from inside.
Am I making any sense?
Makes sense. The distance from the corner to the jump seemed ok, the riders just couldn't carry any speed through the corner
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shuggs 7/7/2021 3:11am
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Thought they moved corner/ leap shortening track to build a grandstand a couple of years ago??
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Fonzarelli 7/7/2021 3:49am
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Roczen probably didn't think so, but I thought it was way better than when every rider out there does it,
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Johnny Ringo 7/7/2021 4:04am
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Making it near impossible for all but 4 450 guys is stupid. If I got seats on the bleachers I would feel bait and switched
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Motofinne 7/7/2021 4:26am
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I kinda liked that there were so few that made the leap. The reason for it being difficult seemed to be a combination of a really slow corner before and the landing was tall.

But i see the point that some would like it to be easier. For me the optimal would be that pretty much the top 15 450 riders can make it and only a handful of 250 riders can make it
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Frank Tuesday 7/7/2021 4:41am
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I liked it this year. The big jump should be hard, and it shouldn't be doable every lap. Plus it gave the inside and outside similar times.
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Motofinne wrote:
I kinda liked that there were so few that made the leap. The reason for it being difficult seemed to be a combination of a really...
I kinda liked that there were so few that made the leap. The reason for it being difficult seemed to be a combination of a really slow corner before and the landing was tall.

But i see the point that some would like it to be easier. For me the optimal would be that pretty much the top 15 450 riders can make it and only a handful of 250 riders can make it
I agree. And they could maybe add a roller on the inside or something so that it evens out the options. I think if guys went to the way outside, a lot of 450 guys and top 250s could've done the leap. But it looked so soft and way out there compared to the more inside lines. So if they add a roller or something then I think it at least makes going wide for the leap worth considering. And the fans win from that.
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tingo 7/7/2021 6:29am
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Motoxdoc wrote:
I heard the corner before it was moved in a bit closer...and if you went wide it was soft and not ideal. It looked like RJ...
I heard the corner before it was moved in a bit closer...and if you went wide it was soft and not ideal. It looked like RJ was thinking about doing it on the last lap (can't remember which moto) until his bike got sucked into a sandy sippy hole and made him bubble and lose momentum.
Much ty for taking me back to my 8 yr old self watching those swamp buggy races. What a crazy ass sport that was. The sippy hole got 'em every time.
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canciaro 7/7/2021 6:56am
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Red Bud ruined the leap and that whole corner when they prepped it for the Des Nations. They added a ton of deep sand at the bottom and there is always a wall jump as you come out of the corner leading up to the hill (except for Pro Day) but it just reduces the number of guys doing the jump and honestly as a fan and rider you would think theres less injuries if guys aren't casing the hell out of the leap.

Also Red Bud should also look at bringing in some soil to balance out all of the sand that was brought in for the new start / mechanics area that has seemed to have been pulled through the rest of the track through maintenance.

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yak651 7/7/2021 7:07am
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Tim would probably say the jump/corner is the same it's always been!
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MX Culture 7/7/2021 7:36am
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yak651 wrote:
Tim would probably say the jump/corner is the same it's always been!
wrong...
I sat down with Red Bud owner Tim Ritchie about 2 hours after the event in his barn/office.
I brought it up that many people asked/mentioned the leap to me during the day and that nobody was jumping it.
His words were, "The leap is never the same. I change it all the time. You never know what you're going to get and it will be changed again."
The end.
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Rupert X 7/7/2021 7:38am
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From a guy that’s hung on that fence with the the other wacky spectators, from first practice on, for most of the last 30+ years, (did miss this year) -The Leap and it’s very screwy run-up configuration, need attention. Fans don’t come from the world-over to NOT see riders clear Red Bud’s landmark launch. Most of the 450 riders and a handful of skinny, talented, 250 riders should be able to routinely and “safely” huck it. I’m guessing that 100 percent of the spectators and 90 percent of the racers want to make this happen. When one of the worlds greatest riders, on an HRC Honda, is casing it, fixing is needed. And so, it was written.
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WhatsStoppingU 7/7/2021 7:40am
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MX Culture wrote:
wrong... I sat down with Red Bud owner Tim Ritchie about 2 hours after the event in his barn/office. I brought it up that many people...
wrong...
I sat down with Red Bud owner Tim Ritchie about 2 hours after the event in his barn/office.
I brought it up that many people asked/mentioned the leap to me during the day and that nobody was jumping it.
His words were, "The leap is never the same. I change it all the time. You never know what you're going to get and it will be changed again."
The end.
Guy sounds like a real pleasure to deal with, lol..
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Speeddemon73 7/7/2021 8:18am
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They left the corner the same as they do on amateur days. They purposely push that corner in to deter people from attempting the leap. If you look at years past, the corner is pushed out and has a much longer runup during the pro weekend. Doesn't make sense to have the biggest jump on the circuit and no one can clear it.
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AH387 7/7/2021 8:35am
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MX Culture wrote:
wrong... I sat down with Red Bud owner Tim Ritchie about 2 hours after the event in his barn/office. I brought it up that many people...
wrong...
I sat down with Red Bud owner Tim Ritchie about 2 hours after the event in his barn/office.
I brought it up that many people asked/mentioned the leap to me during the day and that nobody was jumping it.
His words were, "The leap is never the same. I change it all the time. You never know what you're going to get and it will be changed again."
The end.
So if that's the case then would he admit that this year the "changes" maybe weren't ideal for spectators (and maybe even the racers)?
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mimafia 7/7/2021 8:53am
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They changed the inside of corner to make it off camber. And as they were exiting from the inside they were going down the backside of that hump. They couldn't carry much corner speed. Fastest lines were inside and tripling (which many couldn't/wouldn't do), then inside and doubling, then outside and tripling
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B Gotti 7/7/2021 9:06am
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Put the leap back where it was originally.
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hbdesigns913 7/7/2021 9:12am
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What sucked was the leader had to go to the inside. So the leader of both classes couldn’t jump it or they would get block passed going to the middle or outside. I was there and only seen AP and Kenny jump it from the inside. Would have made more sense to me for the turn to be pushed back so all the 450 guys could jump it and only a handful of 250 guys.
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Johnny Ringo 7/7/2021 9:32am
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yak651 wrote:
Tim would probably say the jump/corner is the same it's always been!
MX Culture wrote:
wrong... I sat down with Red Bud owner Tim Ritchie about 2 hours after the event in his barn/office. I brought it up that many people...
wrong...
I sat down with Red Bud owner Tim Ritchie about 2 hours after the event in his barn/office.
I brought it up that many people asked/mentioned the leap to me during the day and that nobody was jumping it.
His words were, "The leap is never the same. I change it all the time. You never know what you're going to get and it will be changed again."
The end.
So he intentionally ruined it. Bold move, cotton.
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yak651 7/7/2021 9:59am
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yak651 wrote:
Tim would probably say the jump/corner is the same it's always been!
MX Culture wrote:
wrong... I sat down with Red Bud owner Tim Ritchie about 2 hours after the event in his barn/office. I brought it up that many people...
wrong...
I sat down with Red Bud owner Tim Ritchie about 2 hours after the event in his barn/office.
I brought it up that many people asked/mentioned the leap to me during the day and that nobody was jumping it.
His words were, "The leap is never the same. I change it all the time. You never know what you're going to get and it will be changed again."
The end.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
So he intentionally ruined it. Bold move, cotton.
Yep when you're constantly being told you have the best track ever I'm sure you get an attitude that anything you do is golden...
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MX Culture 7/7/2021 10:27am
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MX Culture wrote:
wrong... I sat down with Red Bud owner Tim Ritchie about 2 hours after the event in his barn/office. I brought it up that many people...
wrong...
I sat down with Red Bud owner Tim Ritchie about 2 hours after the event in his barn/office.
I brought it up that many people asked/mentioned the leap to me during the day and that nobody was jumping it.
His words were, "The leap is never the same. I change it all the time. You never know what you're going to get and it will be changed again."
The end.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
So he intentionally ruined it. Bold move, cotton.
yak651 wrote:
Yep when you're constantly being told you have the best track ever I'm sure you get an attitude that anything you do is golden...
IDK, I think you guys are taking it the wrong way (or maybe I am).
I think him saying he tried something different and always changes it, means it wasn't the greatest this year and he'll try again next year (but that it will never stay the same.)
I love the facility and track and love the improvements he makes to it each year.
He doesn't sit back and rest on what he has, he always tries new things.
That to me is not a "golden attitude", it's a ever changing pursuit of excellence.
But what do I know?
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peelout 7/7/2021 1:29pm
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making the leap practically unjumpable is like GH not going up the hills for a national.

what the fuck were they thinking?
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shuggs 7/7/2021 2:04pm
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So if the top pros can’t jump it does it need a name change???
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AH387 7/7/2021 3:35pm
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MX Culture wrote:
IDK, I think you guys are taking it the wrong way (or maybe I am). I think him saying he tried something different and always changes...
IDK, I think you guys are taking it the wrong way (or maybe I am).
I think him saying he tried something different and always changes it, means it wasn't the greatest this year and he'll try again next year (but that it will never stay the same.)
I love the facility and track and love the improvements he makes to it each year.
He doesn't sit back and rest on what he has, he always tries new things.
That to me is not a "golden attitude", it's a ever changing pursuit of excellence.
But what do I know?
I guess my question is, did this past race do what he set out to do with his changes? Did he say if there was a goal or vision with the change for this year (like making it very hard to clear, as an attempt to separate the riders?) Surely you don't change something, just to change it, without direction. I would be curious if he is satisfied with how it went or if he thinks that it was a bad move. And if he would even admit that it didn't go as planned? Because that response given seems very vague, almost like a cop out. Not a big deal, as I enjoyed the race. But it seems that most people were unhappy about no one jumping it. So if that effects future changes.
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SoCalMX70 7/7/2021 3:37pm
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Don't worry guys, Roczen is on the case!
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Spudnut 7/7/2021 8:15pm
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I hear Ritchie says he’ll knife fight anyone that talks about how he added sand to the track
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