2022 bike rumors

nickm wrote:

For the premium market, here are some real sales numbers: Harley sold 180,000 bikes globally last year: https://investor.harley-davidson.com/our-company/motorcycle-retail-sales BMW sold 170,000 bikes globally in 2020: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0324570EN/bmw-motorrad-achieves-its-second-best-sales-result-in-history-in-2020?language=en...

For the premium market, here are some real sales numbers:

Harley sold 180,000 bikes globally last year:
https://investor.harley-davidson.com/our-company/motorcycle-retail-sales

BMW sold 170,000 bikes globally in 2020:
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0324570EN/bmw-mot…

KTM group sold 270,000 bikes globally in 2020:
https://www.pierermobility.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Annual-Report…
(this report also breaks down the KTM/husky/gasgas/ebikes numbers if you scroll down into it

Harley has the Cadillac problem, buyer base that is literally dying off and an image problem similar to Cadillac..

Dirty Points wrote:

Note: The KTM numbers are not really solely "Premium" since about a quarter of their global sales are Bajaj bikes.

decano51 wrote:

surprised no one has mentioned the already rumor of Yamaha and the new YZ125. There was a forum on it not long ago about the inside...

surprised no one has mentioned the already rumor of Yamaha and the new YZ125. There was a forum on it not long ago about the inside scoop of the talks in Europe.

PJRAUS wrote:

Is this real news? I wanna know! Im getting ready to buy a new yz 125...I would prefer a ktm as Im sick and tired of...

Is this real news? I wanna know! Im getting ready to buy a new yz 125...I would prefer a ktm as Im sick and tired of Yamaha just releasing the same bike every year..im a loyal Yamaha guy, but im more loyal to my dealer who puts so much back into our sport..dont wannacdrop $ 10.5 k on basically a 2005 model bike if they actually do have a new one coming..

Dirty Points wrote:

Note: The KTM numbers are not really solely "Premium" since about a quarter of their global sales are Bajaj bikes.

nickm wrote:

I'm not sure what specifically they mean by "small displacement KTM and Husky models are build by Bajaj" maybe is the small displacement Duke models. direct...

I'm not sure what specifically they mean by "small displacement KTM and Husky models are build by Bajaj" maybe is the small displacement Duke models. direct quote from page 6 of the report:

"270,407 motorcycles sold of the KTM, HUSQVARNA and GASGAS brands (previous year: 280,099)"

They state that 140,000 were built at the plant in Austria, I think its safe to assume that's the premium stuff, and 3100 bikes were built in Spain (GG trials bikes I'd guess)

Bajaj on the other hand sold around 4 million 2 wheelers, you can see their December report below where they sold 385,000 bikes in December alone: https://www.bajajauto.com/press-release/PRESS-RELEASE-NOV-2020.pdf
and you can see their annual number 3.947M 2 wheelers sold in 2020 here: https://www.bajajauto.com/press-release/Press-Release-December-2020.pdf

Don't forget that 1 billion people live in India, which is more people than NA/EU combined and the primary mode of personal vehicle transport is 2 wheels

Joe Shagodia wrote:

Rumor. CR250R Two Stroke. Utilizing 2007 Motor Engineering with advanced port timing, and a unique balanced frame geometry.

Joe Shagodia wrote:

Rumor. CR250R Two Stroke. Utilizing 2007 Motor Engineering with advanced port timing, and a unique balanced frame geometry.

gregyou wrote:

2007 with a new motor.
That’s chassis is still one of the best chassis ever

crusher773 wrote:

Are we ever going to get a KTM TPI SX 125 or 150? Just want to know so I can either look for a used one...

Are we ever going to get a KTM TPI SX 125 or 150? Just want to know so I can either look for a used one and wait it out or go ahead and get a new one.

Motofinne wrote:

I can't see that happening anytime soon. Don't wait out, you might be waiting for 5 years or more. Or just get a TE 150i and...

I can't see that happening anytime soon. Don't wait out, you might be waiting for 5 years or more.

Or just get a TE 150i and set it up for moto.

Motofinne wrote:

I can't see that happening anytime soon. Don't wait out, you might be waiting for 5 years or more. Or just get a TE 150i and...

I can't see that happening anytime soon. Don't wait out, you might be waiting for 5 years or more.

Or just get a TE 150i and set it up for moto.

soggy wrote:

Interesting do you have any inside knowledge? I thought they would eventually bring tpi over to the moto bikes.

Motofinne wrote:

I can't see that happening anytime soon. Don't wait out, you might be waiting for 5 years or more. Or just get a TE 150i and...

I can't see that happening anytime soon. Don't wait out, you might be waiting for 5 years or more.

Or just get a TE 150i and set it up for moto.

soggy wrote:

Interesting do you have any inside knowledge? I thought they would eventually bring tpi over to the moto bikes.

Motofinne wrote:

No, no inside information at all. But i just can't see the current TPI system being brought over to the MX bikes. The TPI came to...

No, no inside information at all. But i just can't see the current TPI system being brought over to the MX bikes. The TPI came to be because of emissions regulations so that they could be road legal.

soggy wrote:

Interesting do you have any inside knowledge? I thought they would eventually bring tpi over to the moto bikes.

Motofinne wrote:

No, no inside information at all. But i just can't see the current TPI system being brought over to the MX bikes. The TPI came to...

No, no inside information at all. But i just can't see the current TPI system being brought over to the MX bikes. The TPI came to be because of emissions regulations so that they could be road legal.

mmcmx wrote:

And as an owner of a 250 tpi. I wish I had a carb, what a dog.

decano51 wrote:

surprised no one has mentioned the already rumor of Yamaha and the new YZ125. There was a forum on it not long ago about the inside...

surprised no one has mentioned the already rumor of Yamaha and the new YZ125. There was a forum on it not long ago about the inside scoop of the talks in Europe.

PJRAUS wrote:

Is this real news? I wanna know! Im getting ready to buy a new yz 125...I would prefer a ktm as Im sick and tired of...

Is this real news? I wanna know! Im getting ready to buy a new yz 125...I would prefer a ktm as Im sick and tired of Yamaha just releasing the same bike every year..im a loyal Yamaha guy, but im more loyal to my dealer who puts so much back into our sport..dont wannacdrop $ 10.5 k on basically a 2005 model bike if they actually do have a new one coming..

Spooner wrote:

I heard from someone directly helping develop it that they are coming. It’s been a while since I heard that so not sure how far out...

I heard from someone directly helping develop it that they are coming. It’s been a while since I heard that so not sure how far out it is.

queen of spodes wrote:

ya'll really want there to be a new YZ125

Yamaha will discontinue the YZ125 before giving it a complete overhaul with new frame, plastic, engine, etc

queen of spodes wrote:

ya'll really want there to be a new YZ125

Yamaha will discontinue the YZ125 before giving it a complete overhaul with new frame, plastic, engine, etc

Spooner wrote:

I don’t care at all about them really, just relaying what a test rider told me.

queen of spodes wrote:

I'd be willing to bet $50 that Yamaha does not redesign the YZ125 for 2022. Redesign doesn't mean BNG or minor engine and suspension upgrades. I...

I'd be willing to bet $50 that Yamaha does not redesign the YZ125 for 2022. Redesign doesn't mean BNG or minor engine and suspension upgrades. I mean full new bike.

I'm willing to put $50 up on that bet. Are you?

queen of spodes wrote:

I'd be willing to bet $50 that Yamaha does not redesign the YZ125 for 2022. Redesign doesn't mean BNG or minor engine and suspension upgrades. I...

I'd be willing to bet $50 that Yamaha does not redesign the YZ125 for 2022. Redesign doesn't mean BNG or minor engine and suspension upgrades. I mean full new bike.

I'm willing to put $50 up on that bet. Are you?

soggy wrote:

Considering he doesn’t care at all I doubt it ! Haha

queen of spodes wrote:

I'd be willing to bet $50 that Yamaha does not redesign the YZ125 for 2022. Redesign doesn't mean BNG or minor engine and suspension upgrades. I...

I'd be willing to bet $50 that Yamaha does not redesign the YZ125 for 2022. Redesign doesn't mean BNG or minor engine and suspension upgrades. I mean full new bike.

I'm willing to put $50 up on that bet. Are you?

Dan_Linke wrote:

not sure if someone’s said it but definitely husky, maybe ktm& gas gas msrp are all going up another $100. and freight price is going up...

not sure if someone’s said it but definitely husky, maybe ktm& gas gas msrp are all going up another $100. and freight price is going up too

queen of spodes wrote:

I'd be willing to bet $50 that Yamaha does not redesign the YZ125 for 2022. Redesign doesn't mean BNG or minor engine and suspension upgrades. I...

I'd be willing to bet $50 that Yamaha does not redesign the YZ125 for 2022. Redesign doesn't mean BNG or minor engine and suspension upgrades. I mean full new bike.

I'm willing to put $50 up on that bet. Are you?

Spooner wrote:

I doubt it will be a 22 since it would have been leaked by now. And for all I know they scrapped the whole thing, it...

I doubt it will be a 22 since it would have been leaked by now. And for all I know they scrapped the whole thing, it was about 18 months ago. And not sure why I’d lie about this, what do I have to gain exactly?

Rickyisms wrote:

Do you have a link to the thread? I must’ve missed the potentially new YZ125 buzz.

Chuck_Nice wrote:

New YZ 2 strokes are a possibility? With the partnership with Fantic Motor selling YZ 125/250's under the Fantic name has upped production numbers. Fantic takes...

New YZ 2 strokes are a possibility? With the partnership with Fantic Motor selling YZ 125/250's under the Fantic name has upped production numbers. Fantic takes a Yamaha and puts on their plastic and wheels, red and white color scheme. With the 2 stks. Yamaha still sells and the numbers Fantic wants has brought the 125/250's from the back of the line to the front. New YZ 2 stks. are more possible now than the last 15 years!

Dan_Linke wrote:

not sure if someone’s said it but definitely husky, maybe ktm& gas gas msrp are all going up another $100. and freight price is going up...

not sure if someone’s said it but definitely husky, maybe ktm& gas gas msrp are all going up another $100. and freight price is going up too

stone881 wrote:

Actually your dollar is going down, way way down.

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

Yamaha is really stupid for not making a 350. If they slimmed up the blue pig with an all new YZF350 it would be my next...

Yamaha is really stupid for not making a 350. If they slimmed up the blue pig with an all new YZF350 it would be my next bike.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Yes, how dare they not make a model that will sell 100 units a year

Chuck_Nice wrote:

New YZ 2 strokes are a possibility? With the partnership with Fantic Motor selling YZ 125/250's under the Fantic name has upped production numbers. Fantic takes...

New YZ 2 strokes are a possibility? With the partnership with Fantic Motor selling YZ 125/250's under the Fantic name has upped production numbers. Fantic takes a Yamaha and puts on their plastic and wheels, red and white color scheme. With the 2 stks. Yamaha still sells and the numbers Fantic wants has brought the 125/250's from the back of the line to the front. New YZ 2 stks. are more possible now than the last 15 years!

Chuck_Nice wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/04/20/488601/s1200_156249093_267532664750401_7732284151667636898_n.jpg[/img] Fantic YZ 250.

Fantic YZ 250.