2022 bike rumors

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4/15/2021 11:31 PM

All new bikes that i expect for 2022:
CRF250R
YZ450F
KTM/Husky/GasGas 2022 Factory Edition 450 (and maybe also 250?)
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Small hope that the 2022 YZ125 gets an updated engine.

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Current fleet of two wheeled vehicles:
- Yamaha YZ450F 2020
- Suzuki GSX-R 600 K7 track spec
- Canyon Sender CF 8.0 2018 Downhill
- White GX Pro 20 Gravel

4/15/2021 11:38 PM

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

I believe his numbers, but I'm glad he clarified it was for US sales only.

Dirty Points wrote:

When you look at the global market, it shifts the focus even more away from making a niche MX displacement

This is from a ...more

nickm wrote:

True but I'd like to see average price per unit sold on that. I'd suspect the Japan, Europe and North America numbers are well ...more

You might want to consider Economies of Scale.

It makes for a heck of a profit margin on each unit, and when they make and sell so, so many of each unit, the profits dwarf low ( to the point of a tiny amount compared to the real, huge volume sellers) production sales profits.

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4/16/2021 1:06 AM

Johnny Depp wrote:

The Beta is slated for possible November production, which would make it VERY late for a '22. I've suggested they should just ...more

A close friend races for Beta in Italy and he said 2023 so I guess thats what they are doing.

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4/16/2021 5:21 AM

dcg141 wrote:

KTM sold nearly 32,000 off road competition bikes in 2020 in the US. Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki and Suzuki combined sold right at ...more

Titan1 wrote:

Is that all KTM lines (husky and GG...were GG’s even for sale in 2020)? Or just KTM’s?

All lines

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4/16/2021 5:44 AM

deanwhite51 wrote:

surprised no one has mentioned the already rumor of Yamaha and the new YZ125. There was a forum on it not long ago about the ...more

Is this real news? I wanna know! Im getting ready to buy a new yz 125...I would prefer a ktm as Im sick and tired of Yamaha just releasing the same bike every year..im a loyal Yamaha guy, but im more loyal to my dealer who puts so much back into our sport..dont wannacdrop $ 10.5 k on basically a 2005 model bike if they actually do have a new one coming..

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2020 YZ450F
2006 YZ125
2013 YZ 250F special edition
2017 YZ 250
2015 YZ 250f soecial edition
2019 KTM 85 big wheel
1979 YZ 250

4/16/2021 5:45 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/16/2021 5:46 AM

dcg141 wrote:

KTM sold nearly 32,000 off road competition bikes in 2020 in the US. Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki and Suzuki combined sold right at ...more

Titan1 wrote:

Is that all KTM lines (husky and GG...were GG’s even for sale in 2020)? Or just KTM’s?

dcg141 wrote:

All lines

Photo

Market share of major motorcycle brands in the U.S. in 2020, based on unit sales
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4/16/2021 6:25 AM

Titan1 wrote:

Is that all KTM lines (husky and GG...were GG’s even for sale in 2020)? Or just KTM’s?

dcg141 wrote:

All lines

VRR7 wrote: Photo

Market share of major motorcycle brands in the U.S. in 2020, based on unit sales

That would surely have to be just street bikes. If you count all the small off road bikes, motocross bikes, dual sport bikes and their street bikes, I can't see any way Harley sells more. That's not counting ATV and side by sides.

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Take it to the limit, one more time!

4/16/2021 9:44 AM

Titan1 wrote:

Is that all KTM lines (husky and GG...were GG’s even for sale in 2020)? Or just KTM’s?

dcg141 wrote:

All lines

VRR7 wrote: Photo

Market share of major motorcycle brands in the U.S. in 2020, based on unit sales

Not sure where those numbers are from but they don't jive with industry figures. Honda has moved in front of Harley and Kawasaki has moved in front of Yamaha. Those look like 2019 figures. Not including KTM who has more than double the sales the of Suzuki makes them suspect.

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4/16/2021 9:57 AM

Brent wrote:

oh - and KTM/Husky guys who JUST invested in WP Pro components ( like I did), they will not fit on the 2023 production or the ...more

Are you sure the forks won’t work on the new bikes?

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4/16/2021 11:09 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/16/2021 11:20 AM

TeamGreen wrote:

Are you sure the forks won’t work on the new bikes?

No I’m not sure.

I was told the brake caliper mounting point will be different and the shock is completely different. I have not seen any of these parts myself up close enough to verify it.

I sure hope the information turns out to be wrong, and existing WP pro fork works on the new bike because I just forked out $$$$ for a new set...

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4/16/2021 11:54 AM

Brent wrote:

oh - and KTM/Husky guys who JUST invested in WP Pro components ( like I did), they will not fit on the 2023 production or the ...more

TeamGreen wrote:

Are you sure the forks won’t work on the new bikes?

Brent wrote:

No I’m not sure.

I was told the brake caliper mounting point will be different and the shock is completely different. I have ...more

It would make sense that it would be changing soon. The last change on the wp pro stuff was 2016 I think so this gen has had a long run. It would make sense the shock would be different with a new frame. Forks can usually be made to transfer over just might require the full front end.

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4/16/2021 1:13 PM

Yeah maybe just some new lugs from WP to accomodate the caliper/axle change if any change happens

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Gone:
2006 CRF230F
2008 KTM 200 XC
2017 KTM 250 SX
2019 CRF250R
Current: 2021 YZ250F

4/16/2021 1:17 PM

SoCalMX70 wrote:

Please, Suzuki... Something!

Suzuki would Rock everybody’s world if they brought out a 350 or a two stroke
I bet if they just reproduced the last RM 125 & 250 they’d sell out! Lol

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4/16/2021 1:33 PM

Brent wrote:

oh - and KTM/Husky guys who JUST invested in WP Pro components ( like I did), they will not fit on the 2023 production or the ...more

TeamGreen wrote:

Are you sure the forks won’t work on the new bikes?

Brent wrote:

No I’m not sure.

I was told the brake caliper mounting point will be different and the shock is completely different. I have ...more

i was told the shock will definitely be different do to mounting area being changed, but a good chance the forks will work do to wp only lengthening the lower tubes, (which is what they've been slowly doing over the years). and the newer cones will be able to be lengthened from your tuner +5-10mm. hoping thats the truth as i just dumped money on cones yesterday and asked this question.

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4/16/2021 1:41 PM

The YZ125 will receive bold new graphics next year.

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4/16/2021 1:44 PM

TxT0RKiT wrote:

The YZ125 will receive bold new graphics next year.

If you want the new YZ125 they sell them at Fantic.

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4/16/2021 2:37 PM

Motofinne wrote:

All new bikes that i expect for 2022:
CRF250R
YZ450F
KTM/Husky/GasGas 2022 Factory Edition 450 (and maybe also 250?)
.
.
Small ...more

Latest video from Japan nationals would suggest the Honda 250 is unchanged.

I think we will see a slew of new models for 2023

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4/16/2021 2:50 PM

SoCalMX70 wrote:

Please, Suzuki... Something!

DB505 wrote:

Suzuki would Rock everybody’s world if they brought out a 350 or a two stroke
I bet if they just reproduced the last RM 125 ...more

Time to move on guys...

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4/16/2021 3:00 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/16/2021 3:03 PM

dcg141 wrote:

KTM sold nearly 32,000 off road competition bikes in 2020 in the US. Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki and Suzuki combined sold right at ...more

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

Well, that sounds a little different than what the other guy posted. Very interesting and believable that KTM owns this market ...more

Actually, they are not different at all because we were talking about different things. He is talking about the entire competition category and I was talking about individual models, mostly motocross focused models.

Ride and own what you want. Try them all, its a free country. Choices are good and right now you have plenty.

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4/16/2021 3:15 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/16/2021 3:54 PM

TxT0RKiT wrote:

The YZ125 will receive bold new graphics next year.

Johnny Depp wrote:

If you want the new YZ125 they sell them at Fantic.

I agree, why buy a bike down the street at your local dealer when you can get the same thing for more money from Italy?

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4/17/2021 12:44 AM

Motofinne wrote:

All new bikes that i expect for 2022:
CRF250R
YZ450F
KTM/Husky/GasGas 2022 Factory Edition 450 (and maybe also 250?)
.
.
Small ...more

soggy wrote:

Latest video from Japan nationals would suggest the Honda 250 is unchanged.

I think we will see a slew of new models for ...more

C'mon!

We NEED a new Honda 250!

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'22 CRF250R...??
'21 KX250
'20 KTM SX-E5
'21 Husky EE-5
(2) STACYC 16eDrives

4/17/2021 5:53 AM

Motofinne wrote:

All new bikes that i expect for 2022:
CRF250R
YZ450F
KTM/Husky/GasGas 2022 Factory Edition 450 (and maybe also 250?)
.
.
Small ...more

soggy wrote:

Latest video from Japan nationals would suggest the Honda 250 is unchanged.

I think we will see a slew of new models for ...more

soopah noviss wrote:

C'mon!

We NEED a new Honda 250!

Sometimes the new stuff doesn’t get rolled out at the first race. Maybe we’ll see some new stuff at the 2nd or 3rd round.

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4/17/2021 5:57 AM

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

Yamaha is really stupid for not making a 350. If they slimmed up the blue pig with an all new YZF350 it would be my next bike. ...more

350 is mainly an offroad bike. You can tag a european model, a japanese model would be closed competition only. This is due to japan/us importation rules.

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4/17/2021 6:09 AM

Motofinne wrote:

All new bikes that i expect for 2022:
CRF250R
YZ450F
KTM/Husky/GasGas 2022 Factory Edition 450 (and maybe also 250?)
.
.
Small ...more

soggy wrote:

Latest video from Japan nationals would suggest the Honda 250 is unchanged.

I think we will see a slew of new models for ...more

I doubt it, why did they not include it as unchanged when they announced the other CRFs a few weeks ago?

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Current rides: 2020 CRF450RWE and 2019 TC300
Occasional ride for VMX: 1985 CR500RF
Adventure/Road bike: CRF1000L

4/17/2021 6:35 AM

Motofinne wrote:

All new bikes that i expect for 2022:
CRF250R
YZ450F
KTM/Husky/GasGas 2022 Factory Edition 450 (and maybe also 250?)
.
.
Small ...more

soggy wrote:

Latest video from Japan nationals would suggest the Honda 250 is unchanged.

I think we will see a slew of new models for ...more

kiwifan wrote:

I doubt it, why did they not include it as unchanged when they announced the other CRFs a few weeks ago?

Press release for the 2021 CRF250 didn’t come till June last year, even though the 450 press release was in April.

I optimistically hope you’re right though. They might be dealing with supply issues and can’t race the new bike for that reason.

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4/17/2021 8:51 AM

Bearuno wrote:

You might want to consider Economies of Scale.

It makes for a heck of a profit margin on each unit, and when they make and ...more

Makes sense but typically cost of manufacture at scale doesn't directly relate to selling price, it's related to what people are willing to pay for the end product. Classic case of this is the BMW 3 series, which outsells most mid-sized sedans in many markets, but commands a 50% premium over those other cars despite similar production volumes. From a mot perspective, a YZ 450 would still cost $10K even if they made 10 million of them a year.

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4/17/2021 9:07 AM

For the premium market, here are some real sales numbers:

Harley sold 180,000 bikes globally last year:
https://investor.harley-davidson.com/our-company/motorcycle-retail-sales

BMW sold 170,000 bikes globally in 2020:
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0324570EN/bmw-motorrad-achieves-its-second-best-sales-result-in-history-in-2020?language=en

KTM group sold 270,000 bikes globally in 2020:
https://www.pierermobility.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Annual-Report-2020-PIERER-Mobility-AG.pdf
(this report also breaks down the KTM/husky/gasgas/ebikes numbers if you scroll down into it

Harley has the Cadillac problem, buyer base that is literally dying off and an image problem similar to Cadillac..


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4/17/2021 10:17 AM

nickm wrote:

For the premium market, here are some real sales numbers:

Harley sold 180,000 bikes globally last year:
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...I think you are right about Harley's dying customer problem - around here in Temecula on weekends, they open the doors to the retirement homes and let all the seniors escape to ride their Harleys, they are everywhere clogging the streets and giving me a headache with sound of those POS bikes.

Some old timer saw my KTM 450 inside my van at the gas station, and said to me, "nice bike, I ride too, Ive got a 1200 at home"...

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4/17/2021 2:14 PM

Might pick up a 23/24 YZ250F when the time comes. A new bike every 2-3 years works for me

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Gone:
2006 CRF230F
2008 KTM 200 XC
2017 KTM 250 SX
2019 CRF250R
Current: 2021 YZ250F

4/17/2021 2:35 PM

Y'all crazy on a new yz450fgrin

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