The case of curious Kenny

Motocrossjunky 4/11/2021 5:06am
4/11/2021 5:06am
Wasn’t it said earlier in the week Ken went back to his base settings he was running at the start of the year when he was winning? Not really the right track for that IMO, even though I do think we see another late year decline from him unfortunately. Also Webb got better as the year went on.
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Motofinne 4/11/2021 5:34am
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Roczen had these kind of late season formdips before 2017 and the first injury. This is not new.
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You guys all act like Kenny is all of a sudden barely making mains or something? The dude is top 3 every weekend except for one race that wasn’t a normal sx race due to weather. Webb has just come on strong in the middle to the end of the series. Is Webb losing his edge because he sure didn’t look like the same Webb as Dallas 3 last night? No. It’s a slippery mud race. Kenny doesn’t push it in those conditions anymore. Watch pretty much every mud race since his injury and you’ll see him taking zero chances.
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soggy 4/11/2021 5:59am
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Renner153 wrote:
You guys all act like Kenny is all of a sudden barely making mains or something? The dude is top 3 every weekend except for one...
You guys all act like Kenny is all of a sudden barely making mains or something? The dude is top 3 every weekend except for one race that wasn’t a normal sx race due to weather. Webb has just come on strong in the middle to the end of the series. Is Webb losing his edge because he sure didn’t look like the same Webb as Dallas 3 last night? No. It’s a slippery mud race. Kenny doesn’t push it in those conditions anymore. Watch pretty much every mud race since his injury and you’ll see him taking zero chances.
It is kind of weird that he swept Indy and hasn’t won since. And listening to his interviews vs how he is actually riding is like two different people. Just seems like his head is spun right now.
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Renner153 4/11/2021 6:17am
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It is kind of weird that he swept Indy and hasn’t won since. And listening to his interviews vs how he is actually riding is like...
It is kind of weird that he swept Indy and hasn’t won since. And listening to his interviews vs how he is actually riding is like two different people. Just seems like his head is spun right now.
Since Indy Webb has figured out his starts and hasn’t let anyone win except tomac. Hard to beat a guy that’s just straight up riding better than you and starting right with you.
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soggy 4/11/2021 6:43am
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Renner153 wrote:
Since Indy Webb has figured out his starts and hasn’t let anyone win except tomac. Hard to beat a guy that’s just straight up riding better...
Since Indy Webb has figured out his starts and hasn’t let anyone win except tomac. Hard to beat a guy that’s just straight up riding better than you and starting right with you.
I dunno, you might be right.

“Since Indy Webb has only let Tomac win”. This kind of tells it all. Webb is more desperate to win the title then Kenny. You have got to be crafty and aggressive to win this the title and it just doesn’t seem like Kenny can get himself into that head space. I think it’s all mental right now, Webb knows he can break Ken, and Ken knows it too, not a good combo for Ken. Which is fine, the dudes still a badass, but you can see how much more Webb wants it then Kenny right now IMO
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Dutch348 wrote:
Probably operating on no sleep from taking care of a newborn.
KiwiBermRailer wrote:
All the thumbs down from guys who don’t have kids haha
I have 3 kids, work 50-60 hours per week which includes all shifts (rotate monthly) and my wife works a full time job as a physical therapist.

Get the F outta here with that nonsense. His comment was stupid. Normal people don’t wanna hear about the struggles a family has when the wife doesn’t work. I’m not saying it ain’t hard for them at times but we just don’t wanna hear it.
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Renner153 wrote:
You guys all act like Kenny is all of a sudden barely making mains or something? The dude is top 3 every weekend except for one...
You guys all act like Kenny is all of a sudden barely making mains or something? The dude is top 3 every weekend except for one race that wasn’t a normal sx race due to weather. Webb has just come on strong in the middle to the end of the series. Is Webb losing his edge because he sure didn’t look like the same Webb as Dallas 3 last night? No. It’s a slippery mud race. Kenny doesn’t push it in those conditions anymore. Watch pretty much every mud race since his injury and you’ll see him taking zero chances.
That was a mud race ?
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Chris_Buehler 4/11/2021 7:05am
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Renner153 wrote:
You guys all act like Kenny is all of a sudden barely making mains or something? The dude is top 3 every weekend except for one...
You guys all act like Kenny is all of a sudden barely making mains or something? The dude is top 3 every weekend except for one race that wasn’t a normal sx race due to weather. Webb has just come on strong in the middle to the end of the series. Is Webb losing his edge because he sure didn’t look like the same Webb as Dallas 3 last night? No. It’s a slippery mud race. Kenny doesn’t push it in those conditions anymore. Watch pretty much every mud race since his injury and you’ll see him taking zero chances.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
That was a mud race ?
I worked and only got to see the 450 main. Sure didn't look like a mud race to me
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Chris_Buehler 4/11/2021 7:06am
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Dutch348 wrote:
Probably operating on no sleep from taking care of a newborn.
KiwiBermRailer wrote:
All the thumbs down from guys who don’t have kids haha
agn5008 wrote:
I have 3 kids, work 50-60 hours per week which includes all shifts (rotate monthly) and my wife works a full time job as a physical...
I have 3 kids, work 50-60 hours per week which includes all shifts (rotate monthly) and my wife works a full time job as a physical therapist.

Get the F outta here with that nonsense. His comment was stupid. Normal people don’t wanna hear about the struggles a family has when the wife doesn’t work. I’m not saying it ain’t hard for them at times but we just don’t wanna hear it.
Spot on
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Why was his last lap his fastest on lap 12? Actually about as fast as Coopers fastest which was on lap 2(Coops was .10 faster) And...
Why was his last lap his fastest on lap 12? Actually about as fast as Coopers fastest which was on lap 2(Coops was .10 faster)

And what is going on with him?
The WWE/Monster Truck Cartel took control of the series long before we realized what was going on- what the end-game was. It's all rigged. It's rigged and loosely scripted, but it's playing out according to plan. Kenny is being paid well for accepting his role.
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wreckitrandy 4/11/2021 7:16am
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str8line wrote:
Why was his last lap his fastest on lap 12? Actually about as fast as Coopers fastest which was on lap 2(Coops was .10 faster) And...
Why was his last lap his fastest on lap 12? Actually about as fast as Coopers fastest which was on lap 2(Coops was .10 faster)

And what is going on with him?
TerryB wrote:
The WWE/Monster Truck Cartel took control of the series long before we realized what was going on- what the end-game was. It's all rigged. It's rigged...
The WWE/Monster Truck Cartel took control of the series long before we realized what was going on- what the end-game was. It's all rigged. It's rigged and loosely scripted, but it's playing out according to plan. Kenny is being paid well for accepting his role.
I have a friend, a diehard pledge allegiance to Honda guy, that really believes that.
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burnside 4/11/2021 7:23am
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RalphS wrote:
Roczen was 10 or 12 years ago the wunderkind, the M. Schumacher of MX. It didn't pan out as we all expected but he made the...
Roczen was 10 or 12 years ago the wunderkind, the M. Schumacher of MX. It didn't pan out as we all expected but he made the money some of us can only dream about and he and his family are set for life so whatever he does he'll be fine. If that a curious case then I'm missing out.
At the end of the day he's not filling his potential.

I don't care if your a billionaire, as humans if we know we can do better and we know we have not fully actualised our ambitions and potential, that is frustrating, often soul destroying.

Doesn't matter who you are or how big your back balance is.

Conor McGregor right now is a good example of this.
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Dutch348 wrote:
Probably operating on no sleep from taking care of a newborn.
KiwiBermRailer wrote:
All the thumbs down from guys who don’t have kids haha
agn5008 wrote:
I have 3 kids, work 50-60 hours per week which includes all shifts (rotate monthly) and my wife works a full time job as a physical...
I have 3 kids, work 50-60 hours per week which includes all shifts (rotate monthly) and my wife works a full time job as a physical therapist.

Get the F outta here with that nonsense. His comment was stupid. Normal people don’t wanna hear about the struggles a family has when the wife doesn’t work. I’m not saying it ain’t hard for them at times but we just don’t wanna hear it.
Yep,. Eli won a title with a new baby.
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burnside 4/11/2021 7:29am
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Renner153 wrote:
Since Indy Webb has figured out his starts and hasn’t let anyone win except tomac. Hard to beat a guy that’s just straight up riding better...
Since Indy Webb has figured out his starts and hasn’t let anyone win except tomac. Hard to beat a guy that’s just straight up riding better than you and starting right with you.
soggy wrote:
I dunno, you might be right. “Since Indy Webb has only let Tomac win”. This kind of tells it all. Webb is more desperate to win...
I dunno, you might be right.

“Since Indy Webb has only let Tomac win”. This kind of tells it all. Webb is more desperate to win the title then Kenny. You have got to be crafty and aggressive to win this the title and it just doesn’t seem like Kenny can get himself into that head space. I think it’s all mental right now, Webb knows he can break Ken, and Ken knows it too, not a good combo for Ken. Which is fine, the dudes still a badass, but you can see how much more Webb wants it then Kenny right now IMO
Seems like the momentum of this whole season changed when Cooper forced Kenny wide on the first turn and Kenny had that little meltdown in post race interview. Results been downhill for Kenny ever since. Proving to be quite a pivotal moment.
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DownSouth 4/11/2021 7:45am
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Renner153 wrote:
Since Indy Webb has figured out his starts and hasn’t let anyone win except tomac. Hard to beat a guy that’s just straight up riding better...
Since Indy Webb has figured out his starts and hasn’t let anyone win except tomac. Hard to beat a guy that’s just straight up riding better than you and starting right with you.
soggy wrote:
I dunno, you might be right. “Since Indy Webb has only let Tomac win”. This kind of tells it all. Webb is more desperate to win...
I dunno, you might be right.

“Since Indy Webb has only let Tomac win”. This kind of tells it all. Webb is more desperate to win the title then Kenny. You have got to be crafty and aggressive to win this the title and it just doesn’t seem like Kenny can get himself into that head space. I think it’s all mental right now, Webb knows he can break Ken, and Ken knows it too, not a good combo for Ken. Which is fine, the dudes still a badass, but you can see how much more Webb wants it then Kenny right now IMO
burnside wrote:
Seems like the momentum of this whole season changed when Cooper forced Kenny wide on the first turn and Kenny had that little meltdown in post...
Seems like the momentum of this whole season changed when Cooper forced Kenny wide on the first turn and Kenny had that little meltdown in post race interview. Results been downhill for Kenny ever since. Proving to be quite a pivotal moment.
The Daytona first turn was one of the fabled "transfer of power" moments. (c) Weege. Webb stole Roczens mojo and altered the course of sx history as we know it.
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Renner153 4/11/2021 7:49am
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Renner153 wrote:
You guys all act like Kenny is all of a sudden barely making mains or something? The dude is top 3 every weekend except for one...
You guys all act like Kenny is all of a sudden barely making mains or something? The dude is top 3 every weekend except for one race that wasn’t a normal sx race due to weather. Webb has just come on strong in the middle to the end of the series. Is Webb losing his edge because he sure didn’t look like the same Webb as Dallas 3 last night? No. It’s a slippery mud race. Kenny doesn’t push it in those conditions anymore. Watch pretty much every mud race since his injury and you’ll see him taking zero chances.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
That was a mud race ?
I guess I shouldn’t have said mud. Just a slippery tricky track.
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Is Kenny working with a trainer? If so, is Kenny telling the trainer more what he wants to do rather than having the trainer tell Kenny what he needs to do? I ask, because Kenny and Aldon didn’t gel. You can’t deny that Aldon has a successful program, and most likely has Webb peaking at the right time.

I don’t think it’s all just fitness though. Webb seems to be able to concentrate more on just winning the races and the series. Sure, Ken’s a factor Webb has to deal with. But, Webb is racing everybody and managing the moments of the race as they come at him. By doing that, the battle between him and Kenny is working out in his favor.

Kenny seems to be fixated on Webb, and is spending as much energy on convincing himself and everybody else that he’s got Webb covered - as he is on the race itself.
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mxwells216 4/11/2021 8:24am
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Mit12 wrote:
Roczen always starts the SX season strong but falls apart by mid season and Webb is the opposite. I think it is more of a mental...
Roczen always starts the SX season strong but falls apart by mid season and Webb is the opposite. I think it is more of a mental thing than speed.
He has done this since 2013. This is nothing new, it is one of his weaknesses.
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mxwells216 4/11/2021 8:35am
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burnside wrote:
Seems like the momentum of this whole season changed when Cooper forced Kenny wide on the first turn and Kenny had that little meltdown in post...
Seems like the momentum of this whole season changed when Cooper forced Kenny wide on the first turn and Kenny had that little meltdown in post race interview. Results been downhill for Kenny ever since. Proving to be quite a pivotal moment.
I don't normally reply twice in a row here, but yeah that is true. He literally had a meltdown on tv and was acting like Coop just T'd him up in the corner. Kenny has issues when it comes to his mental game and Webb knows it. Webb had a harder time with Tomac last year then Webb is having with Kenny this year...and we all thought Tomac was the one who wasn't mentally strong
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8tensolutions 4/11/2021 8:40am
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Mit12 wrote:
Webb is just mentally stronger! Kenny is dropping like a Rock-zen. At this point Ken will be lucky to stay in 2nd in points.
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Dumbest opinion I've read. You don't come back from an injury like Kenny did by being mentally weak. Bottom line, Webb is a better supercross racer...
Dumbest opinion I've read. You don't come back from an injury like Kenny did by being mentally weak. Bottom line, Webb is a better supercross racer. PERIOD!
So it's normal for the guy who won multiple races and had the red plate for weeks to just ride around in 9th and not win for like 6 races? MMMMKAY.
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burnside 4/11/2021 9:02am
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mxwells216 wrote:
I don't normally reply twice in a row here, but yeah that is true. He literally had a meltdown on tv and was acting like Coop...
I don't normally reply twice in a row here, but yeah that is true. He literally had a meltdown on tv and was acting like Coop just T'd him up in the corner. Kenny has issues when it comes to his mental game and Webb knows it. Webb had a harder time with Tomac last year then Webb is having with Kenny this year...and we all thought Tomac was the one who wasn't mentally strong
As a Kenny fan its rough to see!
Would love to see the dude win a SX title after everything he's been through.
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303MX wrote:
Is Kenny working with a trainer? If so, is Kenny telling the trainer more what he wants to do rather than having the trainer tell Kenny...
Is Kenny working with a trainer? If so, is Kenny telling the trainer more what he wants to do rather than having the trainer tell Kenny what he needs to do? I ask, because Kenny and Aldon didn’t gel. You can’t deny that Aldon has a successful program, and most likely has Webb peaking at the right time.

I don’t think it’s all just fitness though. Webb seems to be able to concentrate more on just winning the races and the series. Sure, Ken’s a factor Webb has to deal with. But, Webb is racing everybody and managing the moments of the race as they come at him. By doing that, the battle between him and Kenny is working out in his favor.

Kenny seems to be fixated on Webb, and is spending as much energy on convincing himself and everybody else that he’s got Webb covered - as he is on the race itself.

Thought it might have something to do with fitness or his arm, but he was his fastest at the end of the race so fitness is not the issue. So why did he get stuck in tenth for most of the race? Granted, in this field tenth place guys are almost as fast as the leaders but you'd think he'd pass at least a few guys.
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Kenny gonna Kenny
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It’s all mental, Cooper gained the insight years ago. He is at the top of the sport for his off the bike work as much as on bike imo.
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Kenny’s body has just been put through the ringer. For him to even be up there battling where’s he’s at after what he’s gone through is...
Kenny’s body has just been put through the ringer. For him to even be up there battling where’s he’s at after what he’s gone through is a win in itself imo. What’s been happening the last handful of rounds has happened the last few years now. I don’t think he wins this championship, but he’s still one of the top 3 riders out there.
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No disrespect intended, but it’s been 4 years now talking about Ken’s injury. I remember back in ‘95 a guy named Doug Henry nearly crush his...
No disrespect intended, but it’s been 4 years now talking about Ken’s injury. I remember back in ‘95 a guy named Doug Henry nearly crush his vertebrae in his lower mid back. Surgery’s and a titanium cage installed around his spine and a year and a half later he was winning again. While I can’t compare the two different types of injury, I just don’t remember fans and the press focusing on this event for 4 years.
I don’t know man, they replayed that budds crash every time they mentioned Henry until well after he retired. it was pretty amazing he came back and won that title. Budds bit him a few times
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Johnny Ringo 4/11/2021 10:07am
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I’m a big Ken fan, but he historically fades in the second half of the SX season. He starts off so hot, and kinda just cools off.

I hope he comes out swinging at Pala and adds a 3rd MX title to his name
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I think he has thrown in the towel. He got too rattled mentally. I think all the talk and questions about "where he is mentally" messes him up even more. He lined up mentally rattled, got a bad start when he knew he MUST start winning races, and just couldnt handle it. Threw in the towel. Just my opinion.
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captmoto 4/11/2021 10:46am
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It's kind of sad to see now. It looked like after the start Roczen never got going. Eli moved from what 9th to first and Kenny hovered around 10th. If he had pulled a clean start would he have been drooped back to 9th or could he have held on?
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JazzyJJ 4/11/2021 10:50am
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303MX wrote:
Is Kenny working with a trainer? If so, is Kenny telling the trainer more what he wants to do rather than having the trainer tell Kenny...
Is Kenny working with a trainer? If so, is Kenny telling the trainer more what he wants to do rather than having the trainer tell Kenny what he needs to do? I ask, because Kenny and Aldon didn’t gel. You can’t deny that Aldon has a successful program, and most likely has Webb peaking at the right time.

I don’t think it’s all just fitness though. Webb seems to be able to concentrate more on just winning the races and the series. Sure, Ken’s a factor Webb has to deal with. But, Webb is racing everybody and managing the moments of the race as they come at him. By doing that, the battle between him and Kenny is working out in his favor.

Kenny seems to be fixated on Webb, and is spending as much energy on convincing himself and everybody else that he’s got Webb covered - as he is on the race itself.
Not only fitness, but being in the baker crew means you’re riding and training with fast guys every day. It breads competition. If you’re on your own like Kenny is most of the time the only time that you really get that push is at the races and you’re not as used to it.

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