1990 VRP Mugen 125 - rebuilt

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wow-what a beauty! Awesome bike. I don't know about those years. But honestly would leave it as is. It looks great! Congrats.
1/1/2019 11:22pm
Nino did you get your crank fixed? Ken O’Connor racing does them. Very few people do since they are hollow and can be crushed. He has videos of the process on YouTube.
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1/1/2019 11:26pm Edited Date/Time 1/2/2019 12:40am
Nino did you get your crank fixed? Ken O’Connor racing does them. Very few people do since they are hollow and can be crushed. He has...
Nino did you get your crank fixed? Ken O’Connor racing does them. Very few people do since they are hollow and can be crushed. He has videos of the process on YouTube.
Yes i got it fixed. As i wrote (and also showed) my german Tuner Mr. Tisberger is a old school techinician and a specialist in doing such work. I'm in Switzerland/Europe too so sending parts out to have them fixed would be time consuming and get too expensive with all the shipping involved...Tisberger is in the south of Germany , not that far from Switzerland Wink
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1/2/2019 12:58am Edited Date/Time 1/2/2019 12:59am
I just spent the last days of riding in 2018 down in Italy. It's the nearest track from Switzerland, just about 20 minutes across the border. BUT as it turned out during the night before they had -5 degrees Celsius ( 23 F) and so the ground was bonehard and frozen. We had to wait until like 11 o'clock to be able to hit the track. So you had the top melting but underneath it remained frozen and slick. So cornering was a bit tricky and you see me leaning on berms on the very outside to change direction or crossing lines as in the grooves it was as slick as ice....

But anyway - i did a video MIX between my 1989 racebike and my AF (CRF chassis with 1990 Mugen equipped engine).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfbuzUJMuQ4

My 89 Racebike with tuned stock engine:


The 89 engine...it looks bonestock however it is really a powerful 30 year old powerplant Wink


I got some nice colours on my italian Messico exhaust...










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1/3/2019 6:43pm
Your bikes are always a joy to look at. I bet they are amazing to ride.
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3/19/2021 5:51am Edited Date/Time 3/20/2021 3:38am
It's been quite a while since i've posted here...so here's a little update:

A little over a year ago i finally got hold on yet another 1989 VRP alloy chassis kit. Years ago it was a small group of friends and enthusiasts who asked Carlo Verona, the main man at VRP, to do us some replicas of his original aluminium chassis of back in the day. To tell the truth-at first i was strictly against it as it takes away some of the glamour when there's more such bikes around. Up to that only 12 such chassis got made and i owned two of them. One is still in my possession-that's the one pictured further ahead in this topic.

Anyway - it took him almost 5 years to finally have them ready. So we had an appointment in the VRP headquarters in Italy back in February last year and we met there. For me it was like 27 years i haven't seen Carlo. We were good clients back in the day. From '87 on i had gas tanks and subframes on my CRs, then we had full VRPs and ran his chassis for 3 seasons and had alloy gas tanks and subframes up to '92 still. In '91 he also did me a full race engine as he always said he could do better than what Mugen offered...What most don't know is that Mr. Verona is not only doing chassis parts but he is actually doing some of the fastest twostroke engines on the planet! His engines are now multi-time worldchampions in boat racing. And back in the day he also did a full 500cc GP Roadbike (Chassis & engine). I already showed it in this topic as well

So here's a pic of a engine in a corner of his workshop...this little 125cc makes 56 HP !!


Me and Carlo Verona last year


...and getting the chassis from the man himself:


Some final touches...(check those 125cc cylinders on the bench)


Cardboxes full of individual parts:




So here's the beauty all laid out in my garage:


I then went on and started ordering the missing parts...i already had a lot of parts ready to go but doing such a build from the ground up you obviously need a whole bunch of parts:


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3/19/2021 6:33am Edited Date/Time 3/19/2021 6:34am
It's Great to see you back here Lucky!

Please keep showing your exotica, and more of Mr Verona's projects / products, if you can.

Me - I believe there's never a problem with Mr Verona doing another batch of His beautiful products. His 'makings', will never reduce the cachet of his earlier, original run of frames / products, as they are so rare, as will be his new builds.

The man is a genius.

You, and the others that have bought, or are to buy, his new fabrications, should look at yourselves as real , dedicated patrons of our sport. Bravo, Luckynino! I wish I could afford his beautiful creations.

Your mention of the 5 years taken by Mr Verona, make me feel a little bit better about the year and a bit (and, still going) of developing and fabricating a 'new' version of my DH frames. My teaching commitments, several operations, with yet more to come, and, the onset of a(nother) illness has really pushed my original 3 month timeframe way beyond that.
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For your latest update Nino, all I'll say is "WOW!".
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Holy cow. Excuse me while I go have a seizure.
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3/19/2021 11:34am Edited Date/Time 3/19/2021 11:40am
I plan to build this bike as a 1990 model with HPP engine to be used in the swiss vintage championships where you can use bikes up to 1990. I already have a 1989 VRP, so this one should be slightly different and i hope i can push/convince myself to actually race it. I have a completely rebuilt engine ready to go. New crank, bearings, clutch...you name it - everything new. Also a 1990 Mugen kit is ready to be installed:


Just the other year i was lucky to get hold of a 1990 Mugen fork kit. The outer box looked pretty used...but the parts inside were actually brandnew and have never been mounted!!


So i bought a set of used 1990 USD forks for no money and had everything sent to my preferred suspension specialist: Poletti Suspension it Italy. So i now have completely rebuilt Mugen Showas, all fresh inside and ready to go:


New lower fork guards, stickers, front brakeline holder....all new:


Problem with those 1990 forks is, that they have the axle thread inside a separate collar which was completely rusted. Obviously this part is no more available...


...so i had several old and rusty parts put in vinegar...it's impressive what simple vinegar is able to do:


...not bad after just some vinegar:


So the forks, triple clamps and axle setup is ready to go:








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Let's have a closer look at some welds and details on this VRP chassis....again - i'm not sure if i can really force myself to use that bike for racing. It's such a beauty and the assembly is taking quite a bite and you care for every detail...just to have it put in ugly conditions? Hmm...needs to be seen Wink


















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That frame & swingarm are works of art!
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I would ride a 83 Honda Factory bike if I owned it. Ill never own a bike i wont ride
Paintings are for looking at. Motorcycles are for riding. I just might skip muddy practices in the morning with it
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Well - if you have spent hours,days,weeks,months...in the garage and in the net to find parts and refurbish every angle...you might think different. At least i do. I had this happen 3 times already Wink

I fisrt rebuilt my VRP and had a hard time to actually use it. I did just one race for the italian vintage championships in 2015 and that was it:


That's when i decided i needed a "stock" bike to compete in those races so i built myself a nice racebike. Same story...all new from the ground up...and the 1st race was a mudder! I was lucky to get a holeshot but the track was pretty muddy that day and not what you want to put your "brandnew" bike through...


So i decided i needed another "stocker", a practice bike for such conditions. I wanted to do just the minimum just to get a good, rideable bike...well - i had a 3rd bike completely redone from head to toe. Mugen engine, Mugen suspensions...everything.

Anyway - 3 builds later i still don't like to put them on muddy tracks. None of them

And now i will have a 4th Vintage bike and will again have a hard time to even bring it out to a track:





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luckynino wrote:
Well - if you have spent hours,days,weeks,months...in the garage and in the net to find parts and refurbish every angle...you might think different. At least i...
Well - if you have spent hours,days,weeks,months...in the garage and in the net to find parts and refurbish every angle...you might think different. At least i do. I had this happen 3 times already Wink

I fisrt rebuilt my VRP and had a hard time to actually use it. I did just one race for the italian vintage championships in 2015 and that was it:


That's when i decided i needed a "stock" bike to compete in those races so i built myself a nice racebike. Same story...all new from the ground up...and the 1st race was a mudder! I was lucky to get a holeshot but the track was pretty muddy that day and not what you want to put your "brandnew" bike through...


So i decided i needed another "stocker", a practice bike for such conditions. I wanted to do just the minimum just to get a good, rideable bike...well - i had a 3rd bike completely redone from head to toe. Mugen engine, Mugen suspensions...everything.

Anyway - 3 builds later i still don't like to put them on muddy tracks. None of them

And now i will have a 4th Vintage bike and will again have a hard time to even bring it out to a track:





But you will. love the bikes Lucky, good luck in old Italia this season. Your country has a passion for two stroke and vintage racing that I admire. Racing in general really.
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Back in the day weight was not of a concern. Never was. I would say for more than 99% of all motocrossers weight isn't considered an important factor regarding Motocross. Only when looking for a new bike you see those numbers where KTM usually beats all the concurrence by several pounds. But throughout the year i have never heard of someone choosing a part because it weighs less than an other...

Anyway - after i quit my active racing career in '98 all my focus went to bicycles. I trained all my racing career on bicycles and really found a "replacement" activity riding my bicycles after MX: MTB and roadbike alike. Since i was accustomed to wrench on my motorcycles i kept this alive and started improving my bikes. Soon i found out that lighter weight dramatically improves the performance of a bicycle. It went to a point where i became obsessed with shaving weight on my bikes...i even had parts made in Asia and also sold a lot of lightweight parts worldwide. I also invented the "tubeless-kit" (no more innertubes...but instead liquid sealant inside the tires). That's all because of my obsession to loose weight.

So when i put my focus back on my Motocrossers back in 2012 this obsession carried over. Now almost every part goes on the scale before beeing mounted. I also put up a album on Flickr where i have put several items on scale on display:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ottospeed/albums/72157673197341717

As mentioned before i managed to save over 8,5 kilos (18,5 lbs) on my CR 125 AF...the difference on the track is HUGE ! Those who ever threw a leg over a 125 know the feeling you have when riding a light bike...well - if the light bike is even lighter you can imagine what this does...my main concern was to help my "outdated" CR 125 HPP engines to keep up with the new and modern machinery. I wanted to still continue racing my old Mugen engines but had to look for a way to get more performance out of them elsewhere...over here in Switzerland i usually race against guys of my age but they are all on modern 450s. So to keep up with them using a 30 year old 125cc engine is not a easy task Wink

Opposed to a tuned engine which is faster in acceleration only a lighter bike offers 4 advantages:
-a lighter accelerates faster
-a lighter bike can brake later
-a light bike handles more agile, lets you change lines with ease
-a lighter bike tires you less, is easier to control.

Lot's of talking here...let's see some weights:

Stock steel chassis of the 1989 CR 125 on scale - 8,25 Kilos




VRP aluminium chassis on scale - 7,3 kilos










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3/30/2021 10:46pm Edited Date/Time 3/30/2021 10:51pm
Everyone expecs this bike to be much lighter than a stocker, right? Well that's not the case. t's only now that i care about weights that i weigh not only my full bike but also individual parts. The full VRP i had weighed basically the same as did the stock CRs i always had as well. Back in the day the VRP was my racebike, with Mugen equipped engine etc...but i always had stock bikes to train with, to put the hours in. My VRP basically did only the races.

Anyway- since the VRP weighed about the same as my stock bikes, i always thought there was no weight advantage of the aluminium chassis. But as you can see above, that's wrong. The chassis is indeed lighter. However, it's the other parts as gas tank and rear subframe-airbox combo beeing heavier which ruin any possible advantage:

'89 VRP aluminium gas tank inkl. shrouds:


Stock '89 gas tank incl. shrouds...465g lighter (over 1 lbs) !



My 1989 VRP on the hanging scale - verified 94,1 kilos / 207,5 lbs



Now let's see my " stock" 1989 Racebike which i actually use for vintage championships these days - 91,0 kilos ( 200,5lbs)
I managed to save over 2,5 kilos on this one without going too crazy. The Italians require stock looking components so too fancy carbon etc is forbidden. Nevertheless i managed to save quite a bit on the old lady as well. At first i mounted a aluminium VRP gas tank on this one as well...but seeing the weight disadvantage it had to go.










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I see you are entered for Farleigh this year Nino be great to see you there up against the local boys
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4/28/2021 5:04am Edited Date/Time 4/28/2021 11:43am
Well - we will see if we are able to come over...Covid makes everything a bit uncertain.

We just had the "European Vintage Cup" at Maggiora the other weekend but it was me as swiss rider and two germans as the only foreigners...it was basically an all italian championship race with 350 riders and many different classes.

But racing at famous Maggiora was just impressive. Maggiora was the most impressive track i've ever raced on in 35 years of racing. The scenic track with its massive up- and downhills, then they added some 30m tables and doubles...big waves....not what you expect a vintage track to look like. The week prior to our race they had the top of the italian riders & some guys like Gajser, Van Hoorebeek etc racing on that same track. We expected that when they rebuilt the track they would smoothen some of the waves, tame some ramps of these huge tables etc...NOT SO ! They left the track exactly the same. So we raced on a modern track with huge obstacles but on vintage iron Wink

Here's my start in the 2nd heat...i'm No 137 in 6th gate from the right. I almost had the holeshot but was 2nd for the rest of that lap...in the end i was lucky to get 2x 5th for 5th overall. I did only 3 days of practice since last october which hampered my performance big time. I was just in "survival mode" all day long and barely could hang on after just 4 laps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuu1VuZbSpc

The famous jump which i call the "O'Mara Jump"...you go up steep and jump over the table right into a angled and steep downhill on the other side...massive! Back in '86 o'Mara had his 125 all whipped tough...


27 meter double here:


the same from the other side:




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4/28/2021 5:09am Edited Date/Time 4/28/2021 7:15am
Here's a lap around Maggiora...onboard with our class winner Ivo Lasagna.

It just starts with the 30 meter table of the finish-line....and check the "O'Mara jump" at around 55 seconds...you get the point Wink
He jumped all those huge jumps...but at his 40 years of age i might have done so as well. Well - not anymore. I did the 30m finish-line jump and that "O'Mara"...and the doubles but there were two other huge tables with no real space to get enough speed to clear them. At least not enough that i felt safe enough to even attempt them.

As always - the GoPro footage doesn't show the steepness of those up- and downhills nor the steep angles of the jumps and the landings...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI6oB3tqPZA
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Your bike sounds good
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4/28/2021 10:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/28/2021 10:17pm
The sound of the bike in the video above on tha lap in Maggiora? That's not mine...and honestly - it doesn't sound like a fast bike but the guy still smoked us alltogether.

By the way - he is No. 191 and in the start i posted he starts from the 4th gate on the right side...as mentioned...i think his bike really wasn't the fastest at all.
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I just found some pictures which show you guys the steepness of the terrain much better than what it seems through the GoPro footage.

View from above...this was after a steep uphill with long waves...on top a sharp left and then you faced this lip:


Steep downhill and sharp 180 at the bottom...


This is the downside of the "o'Mara Jump"...the face of the jump was as steep ...25m lenght on top...then this landing is angled to the left going down reeeeaaally steep. That's the jump where Romain Febvre crashed and bent his handlebar a couple years ago...

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4/30/2021 12:59am Edited Date/Time 4/30/2021 12:59am
Here's the italian vintage series promoters own video. The very beginning shows the whole Maggiora track & surroundings...in one word: spectacular !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU_UrhriLiI

My start is at 15:50

How comes i like this screenshot ? Wink

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Very cool. The bikes, the stories and the racing. I got to visit Europe a few times for work in the early 00s and was always in awe of the motocross magazines with the different products you have over what we had in the states. Needless to say I would grab every copy of the different mags I could find to bring home even if I couldn't read them! Awesome and thanks for sharing!
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Budds Creek has some steep hills.
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Flammin' Frogskins Nino, a couple of 5ths among that pack of blazingly fast Lunatics is a hell of a thing!Woohoo

They / you all look like you're racing for sheep stations, and the onboard footage from 191 (?) and his whip over, I think, the "Omara" jump as you call it, is full on. You achieved mega air yourself.

I've been to Maggiora a few times over the decades, done a few (puttering old man level speeds) laps around there, and those jump backsides, and downhills are fearful stuff, some near vertical, especially, the one nearest to the Clubhouse / restaurant/ Pool (I think there is / was a pool there), if I remember correctly .

The speeds you blokes show on 31 year old (and far older in other classes) bikes is amazing. Bravo! Cool

Something I noticed in your class, and footage I saw of Tom Church in Britain was the sheer amount of CR125s still out there being raced - they seem to vastly outnumber any other brand. I've still got the 89 CR125 Chassis'd XR/CR hybrid I made that year. It's in bits now ( the engine apart that sits in the cupboard my computer sits on - one day I'll pull my finger out and button it up...... Blush ) , but it survived a few decades of being absolutely hammered.
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5/3/2021 4:09am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2021 5:06am
yes- those years Honda was definitely the leader in the class and those bikes are also pretty durable. Hard to beat so most serious racers choice. I am racing 125 CRs since '87 so for me it was a no brainer.

I just lately found pictures of myself of the day i rode my '89s for the 1st time. It was in the french part of Switzerland. I always had two bikes...one later got the VRP aluminium chassis




That year i also raced indoor races on wood which typically took place inside velodromes all around Europe...here's a picture of myself at the Zurich indoor...check the huge, banked curve in the rear of the picture! We actually did it in 6th gear pinned....so at over 100 km/h / 65 miles...it was one of the most impressive moments in all my MX career. Going through that turn in 6th gear full throttle. At the exit it was like somenone took off the floor under you as the angle of the bank is designed for bicycles speed at like 60-80 km/h...at 100 you were leaned over almost fully vertical and you had such G-force that i had my chin pressed onto the barpad. You barely couldn't hold your head up. So at the exit of the corner the track got flat but we were still at full lean angle so you always had this huuuuge slide coming onto the straight. All on wood at max. speed. That's about the time Supermotard / Monobikes started. MX on pavement...scary Wink


Here's a old video of such a race:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOHqY-R-4x8







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5/4/2021 1:31am
luckynino wrote:
Here's a lap around Maggiora...onboard with our class winner Ivo Lasagna. It just starts with the 30 meter table of the finish-line....and check the "O'Mara jump"...
Here's a lap around Maggiora...onboard with our class winner Ivo Lasagna.

It just starts with the 30 meter table of the finish-line....and check the "O'Mara jump" at around 55 seconds...you get the point Wink
He jumped all those huge jumps...but at his 40 years of age i might have done so as well. Well - not anymore. I did the 30m finish-line jump and that "O'Mara"...and the doubles but there were two other huge tables with no real space to get enough speed to clear them. At least not enough that i felt safe enough to even attempt them.

As always - the GoPro footage doesn't show the steepness of those up- and downhills nor the steep angles of the jumps and the landings...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI6oB3tqPZA
That was so scary to watch Laughing I can tell he has no fear jumping those jumps but wow some sketchy moments doing those jumps...

Looked awesome though, I went to watch the GP at Maggiora a few years ago and would love to go back to race my 125 there some day!
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No way in Hell I would race that event.
It looks so dangerous

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