Neck Brace[ + ] - Brahhh

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Seeking new data to sway my choice to ride with a neck brace. Was starting to shop for new neck brace.. then this popped up in my feed.. every occurrence they discuss, I heard or seen video of the crashes. Man I'm on the fence again. I popped my collar bone with first gen of the Leatt landing on the side of my shoulder OTB so who know if it helped break it or not but my arm was tucked onto my side and not out like most people that break it. Their observations are noted, but again no one has come out with any new statistics if these clups of plastic help for 90% of the accidents. Your thoughts? Any new data sources? Pro's not wearing them feels so contradicting as well. Thanks!

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It's a difficult decision. IMO I think a big flaw in neck braces is not getting them custom fitted by a professional. A device that arguably save or kill you should not be a small, medium, large ect. I think they should be built for you shoulders, neck width and diameter. Imagine being a size 10 boot but were riding around in a 12 because its the "Large"?
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I feel like what's presented in this video is anecdotal evidence at best.
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Not sure if there will ever be a way to prove whether they work or not but I feel like the downside of wearing one is less. The first generation Leatt Braces were a terrible design. Look at the current Atlas braces, so much better not having a strut right on top of your spine. But then again, still no way to prove if the Atlas is effective or not.
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It needs to be evidence based and peer reviewed because this is a serious issue. Ryan Hughes talking and talking doesn't mean shit to me.

Spinal trauma is one of if not the biggest problem in MX.
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davermz450 wrote:
It's a difficult decision. IMO I think a big flaw in neck braces is not getting them custom fitted by a professional. A device that arguably...
It's a difficult decision. IMO I think a big flaw in neck braces is not getting them custom fitted by a professional. A device that arguably save or kill you should not be a small, medium, large ect. I think they should be built for you shoulders, neck width and diameter. Imagine being a size 10 boot but were riding around in a 12 because its the "Large"?
Bingo... that's always been one of my big concerns, especially since I'm "oddly sized" (short and stocky). I know they have sizing charts, but still...
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The newer Leatt braces are pretty adjustable, I expect the other options on the market are as well?

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I'm probably not going to take my safety equipment advise from BMayzee first of all.

Secondly its a really hard one as most of the information you'll find are just opinions, rather than hard facts based on research. I wore a 1st gen, i didnt find them that uncomfortable to be honest, When i get back into riding again i'll probably have an atlas on, that opinion is about as useful as BMayzee or Ryno or any other guy who tells you he wont.

Ryan Hughes opinion on them also doesnt really faze me, he comes across the same as a "do your own research" conspiracy theorist but then tell everyone that he's right anyways.
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The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence is conclusive.

Please read for yourself: https://www.actionsportsems.com/case-study-neck-brace
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msp332 wrote:
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence...
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence is conclusive.

Please read for yourself: https://www.actionsportsems.com/case-study-neck-brace
Excellent. Thank You.. 👍
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msp332 wrote:
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence...
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence is conclusive.

Please read for yourself: https://www.actionsportsems.com/case-study-neck-brace
Hard to argue against data.
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msp332 wrote:
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence...
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence is conclusive.

Please read for yourself: https://www.actionsportsems.com/case-study-neck-brace
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msp332 wrote:
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence...
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence is conclusive.

Please read for yourself: https://www.actionsportsems.com/case-study-neck-brace
wwoberg wrote:
Hard to argue against data.
There are data collected post hoc that would never be published in a journal and there are data from controlled experiments that meets the standards of science.

A real study would randomly assign neck braces to people and see who got injured more. The data above is from who seeks medical assistance and can only tell you about the type of people who wear neck braces and seek medical attention at the track, not what neck braces do.
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msp332 wrote:
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence...
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence is conclusive.

Please read for yourself: https://www.actionsportsems.com/case-study-neck-brace
wwoberg wrote:
Hard to argue against data.
There are data collected post hoc that would never be published in a journal and there are data from controlled experiments that meets the standards of...
There are data collected post hoc that would never be published in a journal and there are data from controlled experiments that meets the standards of science.

A real study would randomly assign neck braces to people and see who got injured more. The data above is from who seeks medical assistance and can only tell you about the type of people who wear neck braces and seek medical attention at the track, not what neck braces do.
Sample size is excellent. If this was presented for a thesis, Need more data. However it gets 👍👍 from me.
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msp332 wrote:
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence...
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence is conclusive.

Please read for yourself: https://www.actionsportsems.com/case-study-neck-brace
wwoberg wrote:
Hard to argue against data.
There are data collected post hoc that would never be published in a journal and there are data from controlled experiments that meets the standards of...
There are data collected post hoc that would never be published in a journal and there are data from controlled experiments that meets the standards of science.

A real study would randomly assign neck braces to people and see who got injured more. The data above is from who seeks medical assistance and can only tell you about the type of people who wear neck braces and seek medical attention at the track, not what neck braces do.
I'm not for or against braces but it's nice to hear somebody else with an understanding of research and sampling methodology. You're speakin my language.
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msp332 wrote:
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence...
The Great Lakes EMS study from 2018 is the most comprehensive study. There are limitations with data available (who reports crashes without injury) but the evidence is conclusive.

Please read for yourself: https://www.actionsportsems.com/case-study-neck-brace
wwoberg wrote:
Hard to argue against data.
There are data collected post hoc that would never be published in a journal and there are data from controlled experiments that meets the standards of...
There are data collected post hoc that would never be published in a journal and there are data from controlled experiments that meets the standards of science.

A real study would randomly assign neck braces to people and see who got injured more. The data above is from who seeks medical assistance and can only tell you about the type of people who wear neck braces and seek medical attention at the track, not what neck braces do.
How is this study different from seat belt studies? For example, https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5951a3.htm

I know people who have died wearing seat belts- that doesn't mean they aren't effective.

Furthermore, this study does include people who did not wear neck braces. 8,529 relevant patients over 10 years. And "seeking medical attention" is not always the decision of the patient. If there is an injury the EMS crew responds regardless, including 5 deaths in the study.

This is the best data available. And while this study does not "assign" neck braces randomly (as seat belt studies do not either), the data gives a clear conclusion:

"9430 recorded accidents over nearly 10 years is a substantial sampling of real world data pertaining to neck braces, and in every instance above neck braces are an exponential improvement in rider safety."
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I love a good neck brace thread. Can we also get motor oil recommendations, premix ratio opinions, and COVID Vaccines in on this as well?

The “study” above and its conclusions are flawed. And there are better ways to mitigate the risk of a spinal cord injury than the available neck braces.
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I love a good neck brace thread. Can we also get motor oil recommendations, premix ratio opinions, and COVID Vaccines in on this as well? The...
I love a good neck brace thread. Can we also get motor oil recommendations, premix ratio opinions, and COVID Vaccines in on this as well?

The “study” above and its conclusions are flawed. And there are better ways to mitigate the risk of a spinal cord injury than the available neck braces.
Dont fall off? Drink more milk? practice tucking and rolling at 30 miles head first into braking bumps?

Out of curiosity, what are the better way of mitigating an injury other than a neckbrace?
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3/10/2021 9:16pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2021 9:18pm
Im just in before the meltdown. haVe YoU GuYs ReAd The PaRaMeDic StUdY?!
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I love a good neck brace thread. Can we also get motor oil recommendations, premix ratio opinions, and COVID Vaccines in on this as well? The...
I love a good neck brace thread. Can we also get motor oil recommendations, premix ratio opinions, and COVID Vaccines in on this as well?

The “study” above and its conclusions are flawed. And there are better ways to mitigate the risk of a spinal cord injury than the available neck braces.
haydos25 wrote:
Dont fall off? Drink more milk? practice tucking and rolling at 30 miles head first into braking bumps? Out of curiosity, what are the better way...
Dont fall off? Drink more milk? practice tucking and rolling at 30 miles head first into braking bumps?

Out of curiosity, what are the better way of mitigating an injury other than a neckbrace?
That depends. Some questions first:

What type of crashes typically cause the spinal cord injury you’re trying to protect against?

And what are the primary causal factors that lead to that type of crash?
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I love a good neck brace thread. Can we also get motor oil recommendations, premix ratio opinions, and COVID Vaccines in on this as well? The...
I love a good neck brace thread. Can we also get motor oil recommendations, premix ratio opinions, and COVID Vaccines in on this as well?

The “study” above and its conclusions are flawed. And there are better ways to mitigate the risk of a spinal cord injury than the available neck braces.
haydos25 wrote:
Dont fall off? Drink more milk? practice tucking and rolling at 30 miles head first into braking bumps? Out of curiosity, what are the better way...
Dont fall off? Drink more milk? practice tucking and rolling at 30 miles head first into braking bumps?

Out of curiosity, what are the better way of mitigating an injury other than a neckbrace?
That depends. Some questions first: What type of crashes typically cause the spinal cord injury you’re trying to protect against? And what are the primary causal...
That depends. Some questions first:

What type of crashes typically cause the spinal cord injury you’re trying to protect against?

And what are the primary causal factors that lead to that type of crash?
He is going to say. “ don’t fall off”.
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I wear a helmet to help protect my head
I wear knee braces to “help” protect my knees
I wear boots to help protect my feet, yeah that’s a Cr 500 af in my sig pic

I wear a neck brace to help protect my neck!!
It’s simple you CHOOSE
So choose wisely, it is your neck after all
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My interpretation of neck braces is they minimize movement (forward, back, side). But the true area of concern is with compression of your vertebrae, which they do not prevent.

If anyone can enlighten me on the technical details of what a neck brace accomplishes to minimize the risk of fractures, that would be great.
3/11/2021 6:30am
Neck Brace discussion = Seat Bounce discussion. The only vision that keeps coming to my mind is, a rider lawn darting into the ground and his brain is served up on a plate, to every moving force, with no give/compensation. Would you prefer to be in a wheel chair or brain dead ?
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Atlas is working on a new Neckbrace/collar. I tried to find some more details but they only replied "soon".

Tanner Ward is testing the thing.
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davermz450 wrote:
It's a difficult decision. IMO I think a big flaw in neck braces is not getting them custom fitted by a professional. A device that arguably...
It's a difficult decision. IMO I think a big flaw in neck braces is not getting them custom fitted by a professional. A device that arguably save or kill you should not be a small, medium, large ect. I think they should be built for you shoulders, neck width and diameter. Imagine being a size 10 boot but were riding around in a 12 because its the "Large"?
Like a helmet?
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My interpretation of neck braces is they minimize movement (forward, back, side). But the true area of concern is with compression of your vertebrae, which they...
My interpretation of neck braces is they minimize movement (forward, back, side). But the true area of concern is with compression of your vertebrae, which they do not prevent.

If anyone can enlighten me on the technical details of what a neck brace accomplishes to minimize the risk of fractures, that would be great.
This is the way I understand it too.

Personally, I don't wear one. Maybe they help, maybe they don't? I don't really want another foreign object strapped to my body that limits movement for a "maybe".

Just my choice, glad we all have the choice to make.
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I love a good neck brace thread. Can we also get motor oil recommendations, premix ratio opinions, and COVID Vaccines in on this as well? The...
I love a good neck brace thread. Can we also get motor oil recommendations, premix ratio opinions, and COVID Vaccines in on this as well?

The “study” above and its conclusions are flawed. And there are better ways to mitigate the risk of a spinal cord injury than the available neck braces.
I know, let's have a seat bounce discussion! Or how about 2-stroke Vs. 4-Stroke again! Grinning



As for me, I wore a neck brace once - once. I have no doubt it would protect me somewhat in some crashes, but I also have no doubt that I'd crash more often because of it. No thanks.
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This guy is a tool. He also said in the interview that he dropped out in the 5th grade and that school is worthless.
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This is always a tough subject, both sides have good reasons to wear or not wear one, obviously it comes down to personal choice. My story is I bought in when they came out years ago, rode a couple years with it and then my brother had a huge accident wearing one that ended up crushing his sternum breaking every rib and tearing his aorta which 95% of people don’t survive, my brother is truly a walking miracle after open heart surgery to repair which the Dr came out and said this will go down in the medical journals for all Doctors to see and he said he had never seen anyone make it to the hospital with that injury! So ya the brace crushed his sternum as he went over the bars and landed directly on the front of the brace... after that I have never put one back on, again to each his own and I don’t frown on those who do but it’s a big NO for me!
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3/11/2021 10:10am Edited Date/Time 3/11/2021 10:10am
There are data collected post hoc that would never be published in a journal and there are data from controlled experiments that meets the standards of...
There are data collected post hoc that would never be published in a journal and there are data from controlled experiments that meets the standards of science.

A real study would randomly assign neck braces to people and see who got injured more. The data above is from who seeks medical assistance and can only tell you about the type of people who wear neck braces and seek medical attention at the track, not what neck braces do.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest your SRB (Safety Review Board) wouldn't agree with your assessment.
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