Oblivious Deano roadblocks Roczen, but at least he's sorry

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The lap times tell a fairly straight forward story, Roczen was managing his lead successfully until he caught up to Wilson. Roczen, Webb and Wilson all...
The lap times tell a fairly straight forward story, Roczen was managing his lead successfully until he caught up to Wilson. Roczen, Webb and Wilson all had their slowest lap of the race by far in the last lap.
Both watching the race and looking at the times, it’s clear that Wilson cost Roczen the race win by not moving over like is expected and how nearly every other lapped rider did.
But it’s the segment times that throw up a lot of questions.
Wilson claimed he didn’t know it was the leaders behind, how did he not see them in corners or opposite lanes in the laps before? He’s a professional and even novices track their position this way.
How did he not see any blue flags for nearly two laps?
If Wilson thinks he is racing for position, why did he slow down so much on the last lap with riders immediately behind him?
When you look at the segment times you can see Roczen was slowed by Wilson more than Webb was. Roczen lost two seconds in the first segment of the last lap alone. Why was Wilson suddenly more than two seconds slower in the first two segments of the last lap?
I’ve always thought of Wilson as a stand up guy and don’t think he would do this deliberately, but the times don’t lie.
What the hell happened?!

Wilson’s segment times:

Roczen’s segment times:


Webb’s segment times:






Thanks for the segment times. We have to realize that Dean’s 25th lap was the same one as Roczens and Webb’s 26th. Wilson went unlapped, hence his 26th Lap on the board also.
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Dean seems like a good dude and I don't think for one second that he held anyone up on purpose. That being said, as a fan, I hate when lappers affect the race. I also hate the flagging system. Too much room for human error.

I understand the argument against helmet radios for rider safety, even though I haven't made up my mind about it. However, how hard would it be to wire an LED light strip to every handlebar? Divide the track into segments for every straightaway and corner. You could have it sync'd with the transponder so that if you enter a "cross flag" section (determined by the AMA up in the booth on a computer), your red light goes off. Same thing for yellow flag sections with a yellow light. For blue flag scenarios, the blue light could automatically go off if a person AHEAD of you in position is BEHIND you on the same section. It seems like we have the technology to do this right?
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you will all probably be the ones that praise him (if he gets on the podium) at some point
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I didn’t see anything wrong with that. He didn’t see the flag. That’s racing!
Just like the 4 points Kenny lost last weekend when he couldn't see the flagger? The ama sure stuck to their guns on that one but...
Just like the 4 points Kenny lost last weekend when he couldn't see the flagger? The ama sure stuck to their guns on that one but let Dean off 100%?
He was 11th and on the lead lap in the provisional results but 12th in the official results. Maybe he was docked a lap ?

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My girlfriend also watched the last 2 laps with me.
Her exact words:
Why is that white bike holding up the leader ?
If he wasn’t held up he would have won...
She knows nothing about moto, so pretty obvious to me.
Anyway, like others have said in here it’s better for Roczen to look ahead. I understand he’s pissed, but he has nothing to gain with whining about what happened...
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It was a bad call on Roczen part to go outside after the wall section. If he had stayed tight behind Wilson Webb wouldn’t have had...
It was a bad call on Roczen part to go outside after the wall section. If he had stayed tight behind Wilson Webb wouldn’t have had room to go inside.

Weak mental game by Roczen as usual.
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Your bait is getting weaker in every thread. . .
He's not wrong.
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Gotta love how GuyB changed my heading and my post...never seen that done in all my years on this board, or any board. I stand by...
Gotta love how GuyB changed my heading and my post...never seen that done in all my years on this board, or any board.

I stand by my original post, Fuck Dean Wilson. His IG apology was noble, except the third line is a bold-faced lie. I guarantee you know when Ken Roczen is coming up to lap you, especially if you are Dean Wilson with 25 years of racing experience. He could see them coming in every 180 degree turn for two laps prior. His apology is hollow.
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I would have deleted it....I mean you. "Fuck Dean Wilson" ? Really? What a tool...
TeamGreen wrote:
The best part is Steve using his psychic power to “know” what Deano was thinking. That’s got to be a cool power to have. I guess...
The best part is Steve using his psychic power to “know” what Deano was thinking. That’s got to be a cool power to have.

I guess there was no other line thru that turn, either? Earlier in the day, I’m pretty sure I saw Barcia make the same mistake: he chose the wrong line to pass a lapper and almost fell.

Anyways, since I’m seeing the usual Internet Insanity and Web-Warriorism, I’ll just leave it at this...

Kenny could have wicked it up & NOT let Cooper catch him...again.
Kenny could have NOT CHOSEN TO FOLLOW DEAN into that turn.
And there are allllllll sorts of other variables that could have happened; but, hey, let’s just all go lose our shit on the Internet...
Grinning
Btw, I was one of those people that hoped Kenny would keep that gap and win it.
He didn’t.
It was a race and shit happened; and, in gonna take Deano at his word, too.
You sir are one of the few intelligent people in here.
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I wonder if Dean was just trying to not get lapped?
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If the same thing happened to Dungey we would have not heard a second word about it. Don’t mess with Kenny! Lol
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If the same thing happened to Dungey we would have not heard a second word about it. Don’t mess with Kenny! Lol
Imagine the Tomacians if it had happened to him...?
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ctbale wrote:
I would have deleted it....I mean you. "Fuck Dean Wilson" ? Really? What a tool...
TeamGreen wrote:
The best part is Steve using his psychic power to “know” what Deano was thinking. That’s got to be a cool power to have. I guess...
The best part is Steve using his psychic power to “know” what Deano was thinking. That’s got to be a cool power to have.

I guess there was no other line thru that turn, either? Earlier in the day, I’m pretty sure I saw Barcia make the same mistake: he chose the wrong line to pass a lapper and almost fell.

Anyways, since I’m seeing the usual Internet Insanity and Web-Warriorism, I’ll just leave it at this...

Kenny could have wicked it up & NOT let Cooper catch him...again.
Kenny could have NOT CHOSEN TO FOLLOW DEAN into that turn.
And there are allllllll sorts of other variables that could have happened; but, hey, let’s just all go lose our shit on the Internet...
Grinning
Btw, I was one of those people that hoped Kenny would keep that gap and win it.
He didn’t.
It was a race and shit happened; and, in gonna take Deano at his word, too.
Madmax31 wrote:
You sir are one of the few intelligent people in here.
That’s very kind of you; but, still...ya might wanna remove any comment like that...or...
You might inherit my “down voters”!
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1/24/2021 1:10pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2021 1:20pm
I just re-watched it, here are my thoughts.

On the second last lap on the left before the table on-off, there is a blue flag waving right in Dean's sight line. Prior to that Ferrandis actually looks over pulls over on the start straight even though he was trying to pass Dean, effectively taking himself out of that possibility. Dylan certainly had a lot more awareness of what was happening, but he also had Roczen get alongside him in the whoops.

Moving on to where they are behind Dean, the guy with the blue flag in the sand section on that lap, he's just standing there holding like 8 feet off the track. Not waving it at all. Then after getting the white flag they hit the whoop section and the flagger is way off to the right, I doubt Deano could see that one. But why couldn't there be a blue flag out of the turn after the whoop section, just before the mechanics area? I mean the riders in theory are already looking that direction for the pit board. EDIT: In the post-race replay with different camera angle there is flagger across from the mechanics area, riders left. Dude his holding the blue flag out behind him with the yellow flag wrapped and pointing toward the riders. WTF??

A couple laps before all the action, I also noticed a guy just waving a yellow flag along the whoops and there was no rider down or obstruction. I bet if one goes back through most SX races we can find a lot of flagger shortcomings.

As much as everyone wants to completely burn Dean Wilson at the stake here, on that second last lap the only blue flag he legitimately SHOULD have seen was the one before the tables. It sucks for Ken, and it sucks for Dean.
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Also, in that fateful corner, Roczen was too close to Dean to get to the inside. It totally opened up for Webb though to come across and block pass the 94.
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I sure am glad I got to watch the race since Peacock said my version of OS wasn't supported. Worked great. If Roczen wouldn't have taken the inside he would have won. Wilson has never given me any reason to think he's not a respectable guy. Now I know how Biden feels.
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Seriously, what exactly is this flagger doing here?
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Mit12 wrote:
If the same thing happened to Dungey we would have not heard a second word about it. Don’t mess with Kenny! Lol
I remember Reed not heeding the blue flags a few years ago holding Dungey up for a couple laps. Can’t remember what year that was but I believe Reed was on the factory Yamaha that year. Someone in here can clear up the year that happened. I remember some heated discussion about it though.
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For anyone saying they didn't see blue flags being waved at Dean.








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1/24/2021 1:32pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2021 1:33pm
The riders just "tune out" the blue flags cuz at about mid race the flaggers are just mindlessly waving them while they watch the race.
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Fair enough TeKaMOTO, those screen caps from the footage from the stands are pretty condemning. The camera angles of the broadcast are pretty bad at showing the flags.
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Mit12 wrote:
If the same thing happened to Dungey we would have not heard a second word about it. Don’t mess with Kenny! Lol
downard254 wrote:
I remember Reed not heeding the blue flags a few years ago holding Dungey up for a couple laps. Can’t remember what year that was but...
I remember Reed not heeding the blue flags a few years ago holding Dungey up for a couple laps. Can’t remember what year that was but I believe Reed was on the factory Yamaha that year. Someone in here can clear up the year that happened. I remember some heated discussion about it though.
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Roczen is about as whiny as barcia. How many interviews is he up there just blaming. I can remember several. He got held up, but he lost because of his line choices straight up.

Deanos the man. Great dude, just made a mistake. Kenny’s lack of aggression and poor line choices lost him the race.
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Deano saw the flags.... No way you couldn't know the leaders were on his ass.... He totally F-ed up Roczen and deserves the blow back.... Those photos above clearly show he had been flagged and chose to hold up the leader for some reason only he knows.
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Just a single race, just a single act, no contact, this is MX racing. Wilson not know for bad racing.
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hamncheeze wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/01/24/474687/s1200_Screen_Shot_2021_01_24_at_1.18.19_PM.jpg[/img] Seriously, what exactly is this flagger doing here?


Seriously, what exactly is this flagger doing here?
Taking a step back from standing about half as close to the racing line after waving the flag in front of Dean.
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Based on that screenshot, it looks like Roczen had plenty of room to pass Dean if he was so much faster. Why did he ride right on Dean's rear wheel?
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hamncheeze wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/01/24/474687/s1200_Screen_Shot_2021_01_24_at_1.18.19_PM.jpg[/img] Seriously, what exactly is this flagger doing here?


Seriously, what exactly is this flagger doing here?
TeKaMOTO wrote:
Taking a step back from standing about half as close to the racing line after waving the flag in front of Dean.
Yeah, the flagger was pointing at him with the furled yellow and damn near put the Blue flag right in Dean's face.
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I sort of understand if you are family or part of the honda team, i really dont understand the over the top of emotion from the fans, is SX really that important to your life and happiness? This is entertainment, nothing more.
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