Oblivious Deano roadblocks Roczen, but at least he's sorry

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1/24/2021 2:52am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2021 2:53am
Why did Dean drop 6 seconds in the last lap? And if he was racing his race why did he drop 1 second each in the 1st and 2nd section compared to the rounds before?
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Ok yeah it was team tactics for Roczen to fade in the last 4 laps and allow Webb to be on his ass last Lap. Use...
Ok yeah it was team tactics for Roczen to fade in the last 4 laps and allow Webb to be on his ass last Lap.

Use that 3rd grade reading level to see I never said Wilson wasnt in the wrong here....he totally was. But he wasn’t the sole factor, Roczen contributed greatly to his own loss.

Quit humping Roczens arm and let him own his failures like a man. Webb would have been on his ass that last lap and you know it.
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Thanks for the info. I was wrong he didn’t fade Webb was just on a hell of a charge I guess. I still can’t agree that...
Thanks for the info. I was wrong he didn’t fade Webb was just on a hell of a charge I guess. I still can’t agree that roczens win was guaranteed without Dean. Webb was going to be there no matter what
So you admit you were talking out your ass?
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Ok yeah it was team tactics for Roczen to fade in the last 4 laps and allow Webb to be on his ass last Lap. Use...
Ok yeah it was team tactics for Roczen to fade in the last 4 laps and allow Webb to be on his ass last Lap.

Use that 3rd grade reading level to see I never said Wilson wasnt in the wrong here....he totally was. But he wasn’t the sole factor, Roczen contributed greatly to his own loss.

Quit humping Roczens arm and let him own his failures like a man. Webb would have been on his ass that last lap and you know it.
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str8line wrote:
Kenny was picking up the pace, not fading. Good to see he's strong this year.
You‘re right,
lap 24 was the only lap where Webb was a lot faster then Kenny.Kennys laptimes were like an swiss clockwork.Without the incident with Wilson,Ken had it in the bag.Only haters see it different.Roczen is solid,he is way better than last year.
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1/24/2021 4:13am
Dean was an asshat last night, and an apology doesn’t cut it. There has to be consequences for this level of stupidity.
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The lap times tell a fairly straight forward story, Roczen was managing his lead successfully until he caught up to Wilson. Roczen, Webb and Wilson all had their slowest lap of the race by far in the last lap.
Both watching the race and looking at the times, it’s clear that Wilson cost Roczen the race win by not moving over like is expected and how nearly every other lapped rider did.
But it’s the segment times that throw up a lot of questions.
Wilson claimed he didn’t know it was the leaders behind, how did he not see them in corners or opposite lanes in the laps before? He’s a professional and even novices track their position this way.
How did he not see any blue flags for nearly two laps?
If Wilson thinks he is racing for position, why did he slow down so much on the last lap with riders immediately behind him?
When you look at the segment times you can see Roczen was slowed by Wilson more than Webb was. Roczen lost two seconds in the first segment of the last lap alone. Why was Wilson suddenly more than two seconds slower in the first two segments of the last lap?
I’ve always thought of Wilson as a stand up guy and don’t think he would do this deliberately, but the times don’t lie.
What the hell happened?!

Wilson’s segment times:

Roczen’s segment times:


Webb’s segment times:






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1/24/2021 4:30am
I see the fire and pitchforks are still in hand this morning lol. Some people on here may want to seek professional mental help.
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I'm not reading all of this, but I'd like to just say a couple things...

Some of y'all are horrible. Not saying you're horrible people, but you say horrible things and I know you'd never say those things to those anyone's faces. If you would, then you are a horrible person.

Dean apologized with in a couple minutes of the main. I was surprised how fast that was up. He knew he fucked up as soon as he came off and first thing he did was talk to YOU

When new riders come in here and ask advice, what is the one thing everyone says and agrees to? "Hold your line. Let the faster guy move around you. Do not make erratic moves or try to get out of the way." WE ALL SAY THAT....all of us, and if you're not, you're the slow guy who's being lapped.

Zesiger 112 is correct. Had Roczen stayed tight after the wall, he'd have held Webb back. KR94 either panicked or made a mistake by grabbing too much throttle and squirting out of his line, feet off pegs. Looked to me he cracked under pressure.

Lastly, the thing about not seeing the flag last week and then this week's issue is ironic.




4.16 Flags and Lights
It is the rider’s responsibility to be aware of their surroundings at all
times while on track. Safety is a main priority and the riders must
obey all official signals and directions given to them. Any rider failing
to do so may be penalized.
a. Solid Blue Flag:

1. Indicates you are about to be overtaken by faster riders.

2. When conditions allow, move out of the fast line. Once out
of the fast line, hold your line, do not ride erratically and do
not impede the faster rider’s progress.

3. Riders disregarding the blue flag may be penalized at the
discretion of Race Direction.
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Huevos wrote:
I think we should all respect Deegans take on it. A lot of you need to lighten the hell up on Dean and get over yourselves...
I think we should all respect Deegans take on it. A lot of you need to lighten the hell up on Dean and get over yourselves.


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This is fucking hilarious if you read it with weeges impression voice

Carry on
I can’t.

I can only say “ah we’ll get there. We’ll race Ryder D when it’s time, we’ll get there”
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One more thing, I don't know about y'all, but sometimes it seems to be that by about the halfway point of a main, every blue flag is waving almost nonstop, be hard to take any of them seriously
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CPR wrote:
The lap times tell a fairly straight forward story, Roczen was managing his lead successfully until he caught up to Wilson. Roczen, Webb and Wilson all...
The lap times tell a fairly straight forward story, Roczen was managing his lead successfully until he caught up to Wilson. Roczen, Webb and Wilson all had their slowest lap of the race by far in the last lap.
Both watching the race and looking at the times, it’s clear that Wilson cost Roczen the race win by not moving over like is expected and how nearly every other lapped rider did.
But it’s the segment times that throw up a lot of questions.
Wilson claimed he didn’t know it was the leaders behind, how did he not see them in corners or opposite lanes in the laps before? He’s a professional and even novices track their position this way.
How did he not see any blue flags for nearly two laps?
If Wilson thinks he is racing for position, why did he slow down so much on the last lap with riders immediately behind him?
When you look at the segment times you can see Roczen was slowed by Wilson more than Webb was. Roczen lost two seconds in the first segment of the last lap alone. Why was Wilson suddenly more than two seconds slower in the first two segments of the last lap?
I’ve always thought of Wilson as a stand up guy and don’t think he would do this deliberately, but the times don’t lie.
What the hell happened?!

Wilson’s segment times:

Roczen’s segment times:


Webb’s segment times:








He dropped 6 seconds in one lap without making any noticeable mistakes. And he ignored the blue flags. It doesn't add up.

Dean should be fined and docked points.
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str8line wrote:
He dropped 6 seconds in one lap without making any noticeable mistakes. And he ignored the blue flags. It doesn't add up. Dean should be fined...


He dropped 6 seconds in one lap without making any noticeable mistakes. And he ignored the blue flags. It doesn't add up.

Dean should be fined and docked points.
Yeah it doesn’t add up.
That’s the problem though, I can’t imagine Wilson doing it deliberately, but what other possibility is there?
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1/24/2021 5:02am
How was someone to relay this big conspiracy to Dean about where everyone else was on the track and how much he needed to slow down?

Personally, I am really over conspiracy theories at this point
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1/24/2021 5:23am
My favorite are the guys comparing this to riding at chicken licks raceway. Like being on the 25th lap of a gnarlier than normal supercross track is the same as your local turn track getting lapped by John Grewe 10x in a 20 minute practice. Hahaha.
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Thanks for the info. I was wrong he didn’t fade Webb was just on a hell of a charge I guess. I still can’t agree that...
Thanks for the info. I was wrong he didn’t fade Webb was just on a hell of a charge I guess. I still can’t agree that roczens win was guaranteed without Dean. Webb was going to be there no matter what
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He wasn’t though. Roczen held the same gap almost the whole race until Wilson got involved. Is there lap times of Webb’s last 6 laps? I’ll...
He wasn’t though. Roczen held the same gap almost the whole race until Wilson got involved. Is there lap times of Webb’s last 6 laps? I’ll happily eat humble pie if Webb did pick up the pace but don’t think he did.
Laps 20-25, Webb gained about 2sec.
Ken did not hold the gap.
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Words are free.

Owning it? Dean should pay Ken the race win purse and team bonus.
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1/24/2021 5:45am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2021 7:05am
I have to be honest i didn't really notice the blue flags until Roczen was really close. Often the flagging isn't the best so gave him the benefit of the doubt. But i watched it again and on screen Wilson already got blue flags at the point of 1:41 to go and maybe even earlier. So he knew the leaders where coming...

Comparing this to Roczen missing the red cross flag is just dumb Roczen missed 1 flag Wilson missed probally 10+ blue flags
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You guys talking about Wilson's last lap time; he started his last lap just before Webb and Roczen crossed the checkered. He wasn't lapped. So he was the last rider on the track all by himself. That's why his very last lap was slower.

He was doing his 25th lap in 51.4 while Roczen was doing his 26th in 53.
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I just hope that if it was intentional as some of you are implying, that other riders see how it can really f&$k up your career and reputation and never do it. You lose they win.
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It was a bad call on Roczen part to go outside after the wall section. If he had stayed tight behind Wilson Webb wouldn’t have had...
It was a bad call on Roczen part to go outside after the wall section. If he had stayed tight behind Wilson Webb wouldn’t have had room to go inside.

Weak mental game by Roczen as usual.
Holy shit, you are dense. Roczen follows Dean and Webb would’ve passed him on the outside. Quit making excuses. Dean ruined Roczen’s race.
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1/24/2021 5:55am
CPR wrote:
The lap times tell a fairly straight forward story, Roczen was managing his lead successfully until he caught up to Wilson. Roczen, Webb and Wilson all...
The lap times tell a fairly straight forward story, Roczen was managing his lead successfully until he caught up to Wilson. Roczen, Webb and Wilson all had their slowest lap of the race by far in the last lap.
Both watching the race and looking at the times, it’s clear that Wilson cost Roczen the race win by not moving over like is expected and how nearly every other lapped rider did.
But it’s the segment times that throw up a lot of questions.
Wilson claimed he didn’t know it was the leaders behind, how did he not see them in corners or opposite lanes in the laps before? He’s a professional and even novices track their position this way.
How did he not see any blue flags for nearly two laps?
If Wilson thinks he is racing for position, why did he slow down so much on the last lap with riders immediately behind him?
When you look at the segment times you can see Roczen was slowed by Wilson more than Webb was. Roczen lost two seconds in the first segment of the last lap alone. Why was Wilson suddenly more than two seconds slower in the first two segments of the last lap?
I’ve always thought of Wilson as a stand up guy and don’t think he would do this deliberately, but the times don’t lie.
What the hell happened?!

Wilson’s segment times:

Roczen’s segment times:


Webb’s segment times:






I love a good conspiracy, but you do realize lap 26 for dean was the lap after kenny and cooper finished, since he never got lapped. You need to compare his lap 25 to their lap 26.
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1/24/2021 5:57am
This thread reminded me of the good ol' days.😂


1. so many threads....
2. biggest offseason move
3. ddavis apologizes to vital
4. public apology to dean wilson (ddavis' thread)
5. ddavis public apologies > pointless sponsors
6. STOP THE MADNESS!
7. Dean Wilson needs to apologize to Ddavis
8. Public apology to Vital MX
9. im sorry dean
10. Ddavis I'm sorry
11. Official Ddavis thread count . (this thread)
12. Public Apology to the MX Community NFM
13. Public Apology to the Dean of Wilson College College
14. 13
15. Works Showa vs Kayaba
16. Penn St apologizes to DDavis
17. Im sorry
18. My Inbox has blown up thanks to Dean Wilson
19. DDavis Poll
20. Dean Wilson
21. DDavis apologizes to VitalMx
22. Dean Wilson.......please accept my apology as well.
23. Dean Wison aplogizes to VitalMX
24. Dean Im sorry!
25. What happened to locox.com?
26. America's apology to Dean Wilson
27. I need to apologize to Dean Wilson...
28. How long did DDavis keep Dean Wilson in sight
29. I would like Dean Wilson to appologize to me.
30. Shocking news from the Dungey camp
31. RC's close call...scary stuff!
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34. Wilson cleanup on isle 3
35. Public Apology to Will Deanson
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37. DDavis/Wilson beating official rules
38. Stop the madness!
39. ddavis occupys vitalmx. NFM
40. Dean and DD to White House
41. I'd like to apologize for swappermx.
42. I aologize to all
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44. I couldn't resist....DD threads
45. I apologize to my boss
46. Free Lenny.
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50. November 13th (ive been saving this one for the 50th!)
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Shit happens, and most of the time, the simplest explanation is the most likely explanation. So, was Dean tunnel visioned on the track and riders in front of him and didn't realize he was being lapped, or did one of the nicest guys on the track suddenly decide to be an asshole while taking secret messages from the team about where all of his teammates were and how much to slow down, so he could fall on the sword for Webb and bring on this shitstorm? What's more likely?

He fucked up, and apologized. Webb won, Roczen lost, the sun rose this morning, and there's another race scheduled for next weekend. Shit deal for Roczen, but nothing is changing that now.
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Still talking about the red cross flag. One has nothing to do with the other . He jumped on a red cross flag , there is no warning it's a black and white rule. It doesn't matter if he didn't see it. Officer I didn't see the speed limit sign . It doesn't cut it.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Still talking about the red cross flag. One has nothing to do with the other . He jumped on a red cross flag , there is...
Still talking about the red cross flag. One has nothing to do with the other . He jumped on a red cross flag , there is no warning it's a black and white rule. It doesn't matter if he didn't see it. Officer I didn't see the speed limit sign . It doesn't cut it.
I got a warning bringing that excuse in Georgia ;-)
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